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Re: Burn Over Curtains for Command Cars
« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2009, 10:22:39 AM »
Ok, no more Cruisers, Prado's, Navara's etc.....  how about mini-FireKings???
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Re: Burn Over Curtains for Command Cars
« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2009, 10:55:31 AM »
Don't most command car drivers use the standard "Hammer down" SOP?

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Re: Burn Over Curtains for Command Cars
« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2009, 11:43:19 AM »
to all those who reckon that burnover curtains are a pain in their vehicles and restrict visibility....have u tried modifying them to lie flat along the roof and be a pull down item ...instead of having them rolled up like a blind? Bit of velcro on the roof lining and a couple of other places and its all good. Same would be said for command cars....no restricted vision.

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Re: Burn Over Curtains for Command Cars
« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2009, 07:24:27 PM »
Don't most command car drivers use the standard "Hammer down" SOP?

Fire never caught Colin McRae... (although a helicopter did...)


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Re: Burn Over Curtains for Command Cars
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2009, 10:47:31 AM »
Personally I think fitting Burnover Curtains to command cars is pointless. It gives the occupants a false sense of security.

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Re: Burn Over Curtains for Command Cars
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2009, 11:28:07 AM »
Personally I think fitting Burnover Curtains to command cars is pointless. It gives the occupants a false sense of security.

hahahahahah....maybe u should go look at some of the blog stuff from the Victorian fires.....in those instances, any sense of security would be great.

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Re: Burn Over Curtains for Command Cars
« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2009, 01:17:45 PM »
Personally I think fitting Burnover Curtains to command cars is pointless. It gives the occupants a false sense of security.


You're so right, let the occupants be be positive..........They,re toast :evil:
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Re: Burn Over Curtains for Command Cars
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2009, 02:47:54 PM »
Personally I think fitting Burnover Curtains to command cars is pointless. It gives the occupants a false sense of security.

You would know...

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Re: Burn Over Curtains for Command Cars
« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2009, 07:48:13 PM »
hmmm...on a slightly off (but related) topic.....anyone else picked up on the no more Landcruisers for Command cars thing?.....thank Fleet SA for another stunning policy in splendid isolation

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Re: Burn Over Curtains for Command Cars
« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2009, 09:46:02 PM »
It's not entirely State Fleet's decision...more about what the Government has imposed upon them.

So it's Mitsubishi Pajeros, and Toyota Prados instead.....

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Re: Burn Over Curtains for Command Cars
« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2009, 09:54:49 AM »
A command vehicle fitted with Burnover Curtains is only marginally safer than a standard vehicle. I think "Safety First" is a better option.

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Re: Burn Over Curtains for Command Cars
« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2009, 09:57:38 AM »
hmmm...on a slightly off (but related) topic.....anyone else picked up on the no more Landcruisers for Command cars thing?.....thank Fleet SA for another stunning policy in splendid isolation

It's all about the luxury car tax thing isn't it - have you checked the retail on one of those these days.... 
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Re: Burn Over Curtains for Command Cars
« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2009, 11:13:06 AM »
Basic Landcruiser these days is atleast 80K+ a touch dear for a fleet car.
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Re: Burn Over Curtains for Command Cars
« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2009, 04:42:30 PM »
A command vehicle fitted with Burnover Curtains is only marginally safer than a standard vehicle. I think "Safety First" is a better option.

So if its
 
Quote from: Burnover"marginally"
safer, and you happen to get caught, then why not fit them? .. Marginally safer, speaks for itself. Its safer!

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Re: Burn Over Curtains for Command Cars
« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2009, 05:18:43 PM »
Personally I think fitting Burnover Curtains to command cars is pointless. It gives the occupants a false sense of security.


Same can be argued about our truck cabs. Only slighly more internal volume but quite
a lot more exposed surface area.  Just as much plastics in the cab.  As interstate
experience has shown, it takes most, or all of, a full tank of water to effectively
defend a truck. The 20% rule is merely bottom-covering by HQ (need to be seen to be doing "something".)

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Re: Burn Over Curtains for Command Cars
« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2009, 07:50:49 PM »
I think its important to remember that no firefighters were lost on Black Saturday. In some cases this was due to luck but improved training, tankers and safety first firefighting since the Linton Tragedy played crucial roles

Below is some links to CSIRO research into vehicle burnovers (You've probably already seen it). While no vehicles were fitted with radiant heat curtains, Toxic Gases were a greater concern than thermal limits.

 http://www.bushfirecrc.com/research/d11/vehicle.html

http://www.bushfirecrc.com/downloads/Conference-paper-vehicle-burnover-final.pdf

I'm sorry for any misinterpretations
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Re: Burn Over Curtains for Command Cars
« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2009, 07:52:50 PM »
hmmm...on a slightly off (but related) topic.....anyone else picked up on the no more Landcruisers for Command cars thing?.....thank Fleet SA for another stunning policy in splendid isolation

It's all about the luxury car tax thing isn't it - have you checked the retail on one of those these days.... 

nah...they are V8s....and policy now is that Fleet SA dont do V8s.

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Re: Burn Over Curtains for Command Cars
« Reply #42 on: March 09, 2009, 08:22:18 PM »
I think its important to remember that no firefighters were lost on Black Saturday. In some cases this was due to luck but better training, tankers and safety first firefighting played crucial roles.

Below is some links to CSIRO research into vehicle burnovers (You've probably already seen it). While no vehicles were fitted with radiant heat curtains, Toxic Gases were a greater concern than thermal limits.

 http://www.bushfirecrc.com/research/d11/vehicle.html

http://www.bushfirecrc.com/downloads/Conference-paper-vehicle-burnover-final.pdf


So from that you can assume the Water cooling effect a Halo system does wonders over a Burnover Curtain system.

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Re: Burn Over Curtains for Command Cars
« Reply #43 on: March 10, 2009, 09:31:32 AM »
hmmm...on a slightly off (but related) topic.....anyone else picked up on the no more Landcruisers for Command cars thing?.....thank Fleet SA for another stunning policy in splendid isolation

It's all about the luxury car tax thing isn't it - have you checked the retail on one of those these days.... 


nah...they are V8s....and policy now is that Fleet SA dont do V8s.



nothing to do with V8's - it is all about the "luxury car tax"   - public servants can't possibly drive expensive (sic) cars when they are public servants......

....and from one public servant to all of you voluntary public servans - i need to formally ask you all to comply with Kevin's request

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25156579-2682,00.html


i thank you in anticipation.......

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Re: Burn Over Curtains for Command Cars
« Reply #44 on: March 10, 2009, 09:37:12 AM »
makes me wonder why nissan patrols are not on offer for command cars as they have not yet gone stupidly expensive like the landcruiser has.

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Re: Burn Over Curtains for Command Cars
« Reply #45 on: March 10, 2009, 09:56:28 AM »
The need for passenger side air bags has apparentley taken a few suitable vehicles out of the command car pool, landcruiser workmate is one that comes to mind.
Apparentley its not acceptable to be injured in an accident, but getting toasted is okay......go figure :|
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Re: Burn Over Curtains for Command Cars
« Reply #46 on: March 10, 2009, 02:25:39 PM »
I think its important to remember that no firefighters were lost on Black Saturday. In some cases this was due to luck but better training, tankers and safety first firefighting played crucial roles.


firstly....you may want to review your opening statement out of respect for the one that did in the later days; the campaign and firefighting (and burnovers) continued over many days!

secondly, I take it you didnt go to Victoria did you? The material state of the majority of their Tanker Fleet (that I witnessed) is abysmal. We had one that had no burnover protection at all for the crew deck, no roll down curtain, no blankie, no nothing. Their later build appliances are better, but still stowed much more poorly than ours.

Additionally, read the blogs of the crews that were put up in this forum previously and tell me if u think (seriously) they reflect a safety first attitude. It's not a criticism.....in fact I'm in awe of what they did....but it certainly wasnt a SAFETY FIRST attitude. Staying on the back of your tanker fighting any form of approaching fire ISN'T safety first....its lazy

Better training?....again....not from what I saw

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Re: Burn Over Curtains for Command Cars
« Reply #47 on: March 10, 2009, 02:53:14 PM »
I'm sorry for any misinterpretations in my last post. I've tried to correct the errors.

Below is a link to a BushfireCRC presentation on the development of the Tanker Protection Spray System and the testing that was carried out

http://www.bushfirecrc.com/publications/downloads/D2.5_nichols,d_perth04.pdf

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Re: Burn Over Curtains for Command Cars
« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2009, 04:01:46 PM »
In all honesty I think it is a much safer option for them to stay out of the "Hot zone" I guess you could call it...

Ever tried to get a GO to do that? It ain't easy

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Re: Burn Over Curtains for Command Cars
« Reply #49 on: March 15, 2009, 04:31:50 PM »