Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging

[uniden]

MFS: GROUP INFO: IF ANY BRIGADES RESPOND TO A CAR FIRE WITH A GREEN VK COMMODORE PLEASE CONTACT ADELAIDE FIRE BEFORE TAKING ANY ACTION - GROUP OFFICERS CONTACT ADELAIDE FIRE FOR FURTHER INFO 11/02/2008 3:03:20 PM CFS Blyth-Snowtown Info

Didnt take long.

MFS: *CFSRES INC039 11/02/08 15:19,RESPOND Vehicle Fire,AUBURN CFS,AUBURN MAP 0 0 0 TG097,CAR FIRE AT PREMISES OF JOHN WILLIAMS O,N GRIMWOOD PARK ROAD.,AUBN00 CFS Auburn Response

[Pipster]

HAPPY VALLEY *STOP CALL*NOT REQUIRED MV24 IN ATTENDANCE-HV34 RETURNED - H/V STATION 11/02/2008 2:16:44 AM CFS Happy Valley Info


This is a genuine question and not taking a dig at happy valley... Why do they page each time that their trucks are returning? Obviously if it is just a stop call, then totally understand that. But often its a "returned to station". Wouldn't tha get frustrating for the members of HV to receive a message each time the trucks return to station? Can someone explain if there is a genuine reason behind this? Or is it just one of those things that some brigades do and others don't?

Particularly if you are in a busy brigade, where perhaps one appliance has responded to a call, and another, unrelated, call comes through, it is good to know if the crew at the first is back in station, or still tied up on something

Members can then make a decision as to whether to race down to the station, ready to take out the other truck or not...   very frustrating to race to the station, only to find the first truck left the station as the pager message came in, and no second truck is required....   

Within my own brigade, we send out a "returned to station page" - for a couple of reasons.

Generally, for any call, the first appliance is gone in around 6 minutes.  If the call is during a weekday, then the next crew are often 30 minutes away (eg have to leave work, and make their way to the station). For some, leaving work early is not an option, but at finish time, they need to decide if they should go straight home, as quickly as they can, ready to assist with the call, or do they wander home, doing their errands on the way.

If the page goes out, to say the crew are back, then the other members know the status of the call.

It also alerts crews to the return of an appliance from a strike team - that is so we know the truck is back, and second, so that anyone else around the place can go the station and assist with cleaning it up / restocking / restowing.

Our "Appliance returned to station" message works well for us

Pip

[Crownie24]

MFS: GROUP INFO: IF ANY BRIGADES RESPOND TO A CAR FIRE WITH A GREEN VK COMMODORE PLEASE CONTACT ADELAIDE FIRE BEFORE TAKING ANY ACTION - GROUP OFFICERS CONTACT ADELAIDE FIRE FOR FURTHER INFO 11/02/2008 3:03:20 PM CFS Blyth-Snowtown Info

Didnt take long.

MFS: *CFSRES INC039 11/02/08 15:19,RESPOND Vehicle Fire,AUBURN CFS,AUBURN MAP 0 0 0 TG097,CAR FIRE AT PREMISES OF JOHN WILLIAMS O,N GRIMWOOD PARK ROAD.,AUBN00 CFS Auburn Response

They didn't page the Gilbert Group with that warning, but i'm sure adelaide fire would have notified them as soon as they called on air....

[sesroadcrashrescue]

was it related though the page for any car fires attended that was sent to some groups is in relation to a shooting at paskeville today the car was seen leaving in a hurry. thats why some groups were paged.

if they were dumping it in burning it why would they do it there id say they would do it some where out of the way.
   

[Crownie24]

Yeah that is bizarre, obviously they had a RV there....

[uniden]

According to ten news the car fire at Auburn was the offending Commodore. See the news for more details.

[chook]

Yep thats what they said alright. And it certainlt looked like a green VK from the chopper shots. Apparently a bikie thing - oh well.
cheers

[sesroadcrashrescue]

ok cool well least they found the car hope they find the owners now

[chook]

not yet - but hopefully soon.
cheers

[Footy]

thanks for the info pip,
like i said i wasnt taking the piss, i was just honestly interested
being members of smaller brigades, i generally havent had that issue.

[RescueHazmat]

Story is running about the shooting on ninemsn.com - News section. - At the moment.

[backburn]

MFS: *CFSRES INC010 12/02/08 10:23,RESPOND Assist Police,ARNO BAY CFS,ARNO BAY MAP 0 0 0 TG009,10 KMS SOUTH OF ARNO BAY -2 PERSONS ONLY,FOR FIRE COVER,ARNO00


Is this not against our SOP I thought you had to have min 4 even if its only Fire cover?

[SA Firey]

MFS: *CFSRES INC010 12/02/08 10:23,RESPOND Assist Police,ARNO BAY CFS,ARNO BAY MAP 0 0 0 TG009,10 KMS SOUTH OF ARNO BAY -2 PERSONS ONLY,FOR FIRE COVER,ARNO00


Is this not against our SOP I thought you had to have min 4 even if its only Fire cover?

Yes it is Operational Management Guidelines Section 46 Minimum of 4 personnel

[boredmatrix]

so how do you argue that point when a QAV only has a crew of two??

[SA Firey]

so how do you argue that point when a QAV only has a crew of two??

Initial response must be minimum 2.2 appliance and a crew of 4, a QAV can respond after the first initial response has been met, or if a brigade with 2 x 14's or QAV also meets the response criteria

[Darius]

Is this not against our SOP I thought you had to have min 4 even if its only Fire cover?

not an SOP but a guideline, you can respond with less with permission.
Also you are reading too much into a pager message that presumably wasn't sent to you (as is common on this forum), eg. perhaps Arno Bay already had 2 members at the station and asked MFS to just request 2 more people.

[mack]

not an SOP but a guideline, you can respond with less with permission.

since when?

[sesroadcrashrescue]

it used to be three but then it was made four crew and its a must not a guideline i was in a brigade that would send 2 crew to a going fire on a 34 and its hard work to run a job with a driver and one on the back.  and to be correct you should have 5 crew 4 on the truck and 1 at station other wise lock the shed and go through Adelaide fire until you get some one on the radio at your station or your group base can open   

[Morgan]

their having fun in vic..........twice in week?!

taken from the online advertiser:

An explosion and fire has caused the evacuation of a busy shopping centre in Sydney's inner west and sent flames high into the air.

The NSW Fire Brigade was called to the Broadway Shopping Centre in Ultimo just after 1:45pm after a high voltage sub-station exploded.

The shopping centre has been evacuated and no injuries have been reported, although at least one person was reportedly stuck in a lift after power to the building failed.

At least eleven fire engines were called to the blaze. The size of the fire is not yet known.

A large crowd has gathered outside the shopping centre which has been barricaded off by police.

Have you seen the fire? Post your comments below.

Eyewitnesses reported flames and smoke shooting from a low air vent at the centre, and smoke billowing from a car park, although the fire appeared to be contained by about 3pm.

A staff member working in one of the shops above the blast told The Daily Telegraph Online flames reached high into the air and smelled of burning plastic.

Mobile phone coverage was also said to be down in the wake of the explosion.

The blast is the second to strike the area in as many weeks, following a separate explosion in a nearby apartment building last week.

A Nando's takeaway chicken shop on Mountain Street was gutted by that explosion, which also forced the evacuation of 1000 people in the early hours of February 4. 

The cause is still being investigated but Nando's has blamed a problem with the gas main.

[Zippy]

that first explosion that happened in the Wales seemed very similar to the Pirie Street incident that occured in our CBD sometime back...

[sesroadcrashrescue]

Morgan read the story since when has Sydney's inner west been in vic 

[Morgan]

havn't you heard victoria run's australia

[6739264]

Nice bunch of highly strung people here. So what if Arno Bay only need 2 x more people at the station to crew a truck? They may have special local arrangements about the numbers of crew...

Christ you people blow up deluxe about issues that you see a snippet of.

Half the problem with the CFS is the fact there there are far too many people who follow the book to the letter rather than adapting the 'rules' to the situation. There are so many variables when it comes to firefighting. Can't we just be happy when a job is done professional and to the best of our abilities?

...or do we have to nitpick the living hell out of everything?

[sesroadcrashrescue]

Victoria wishes they did

[boredmatrix]

well said numbers....


now we might cut and paste that rant into every other topic on this forum where people have a go at Adelaide Fire/SAAS comms/SAPOL Comms or SAAS crews/MFS Crews/SAPOL crews whenever things don't go to as they "think" they should have!