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should all cfs/mfs stations take over rcr from ses as then we are all standard and make it more easier for dispatch

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should all cfs/mfs stations take over rcr from ses
« on: August 10, 2007, 09:57:50 PM »
what do you think about this subject

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Re: should all cfs/mfs stations take over rcr from ses
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2007, 10:54:08 PM »
The Poll allows you to select both YES and NO at the same time.. - Might want to fix that.

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Re: should all cfs/mfs stations take over rcr from ses
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2007, 05:56:03 AM »
Only if the SES can no longer mann their rescue appliances and may be if some of their members come over into the other service(CFS),there are country towns that can no longer support all services and members want to come over with the gear.

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Re: should all cfs/mfs stations take over rcr from ses
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2007, 07:57:36 AM »
Blanket polls like this that ask such a general question just seem to stir the pot. When you ask a question like this, you really have to think first. In some areas it is simply not feasible for the CFS/MFS to "take over" rcr from SES.

There is a particular CFS rcr brigade at the moment who cannot get a truck out the door for most calls and now has an understanding with an SES rcr unit to back them up.

Hell, I think I would take Laura SES over the CFS in that area for rcr any day since they are the world champion rapid extrication team.

It isn't simply black and white, as with most of the issues concerning CFS/MFS/SES. Both CFS and SES have issues that need to be addressed from the top of the heirarchy down. Until these issues are addressed, the pot will always be stirred.

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Re: should all cfs/mfs stations take over rcr from ses
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2007, 04:17:34 PM »
All services use the bible namely the Road Crash Resource Directory,however it is not practical for any service to take over a gazetted area unless all parties to the RCRD agree to it. 
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Re: should all cfs/mfs stations take over rcr from ses
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2007, 04:47:27 PM »
Blanket polls like this that ask such a general question just seem to stir the pot. When you ask a question like this, you really have to think first. In some areas it is simply not feasible for the CFS/MFS to "take over" rcr from SES.

There is a particular CFS rcr brigade at the moment who cannot get a truck out the door for most calls and now has an understanding with an SES rcr unit to back them up.

filtered, I think I would take Laura SES over the CFS in that area for rcr any day since they are the world champion rapid extrication team.

It isn't simply black and white, as with most of the issues concerning CFS/MFS/SES. Both CFS and SES have issues that need to be addressed from the top of the heirarchy down. Until these issues are addressed, the pot will always be stirred.

this was not to stir the pot it was just a general question that we could all talk about to see what people think if it was to change to all mfs/cfs stations doing rcr :-)

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Re: should all cfs/mfs stations take over rcr from ses
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2007, 05:59:25 PM »
what do you think about this subject

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This has been discussed before in other topics. Enough emotion is happening regards Seaford CFS vs MFS as an example, without adding to it.

This really does not assist inter-service relations & being able to work together to assist the community.

If the local community wish the removal of a specific service, then I am sure they will force a merger or a change. Sometimes this is happening, but not extensively (eg Seaford CFS vs MFS).

Each service have specialised skills & training that enable the task to be completed.

When the paid staff finally merge into SAFECOM and thus remove the current duplicate functions in the services, this will reduce budgets significantly.

Hopefully this will give us better equipment on the frontline.
Andrew Macmichael
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Re: should all cfs/mfs stations take over rcr from ses
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2007, 10:33:29 PM »

Hi there

This is a political touchy subject SES/CFS etc.

I beleive there is a place for both services -  but in smaller communities its a huge drain on volunteer numbers, and has the potiential of generating power plays between services.

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Re: should all cfs/mfs stations take over rcr from ses
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2007, 02:20:13 PM »
Yes, definitely!  But not so much as an MFS/CFS takeover, but rather a merger of all the services...

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Re: should all cfs/mfs stations take over rcr from ses
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2007, 07:22:10 PM »
I Agree,  SES should be Super Excelent Sandwich makers.....

I question the need for them at all!!  Well not quiet some units are very good but RCR should remain with one agency,  Or next we will have the NSW Version..  Ambulance rescue, police rescue, volunterr rescue, NSWFB, SES, just depends on where you are.... 

Least if you keep it with one style of ageny.  such as fire,  we all know who to call.   
You need to get a life outside of the CFS. Go outside, look around. I'm sure trailer parks smell lovely in the morning.

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Re: should all cfs/mfs stations take over rcr from ses
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2007, 07:49:48 PM »
I Agree,  SES should be Super Excelent Sandwich makers.....

I question the need for them at all!!  Well not quiet some units are very good but RCR should remain with one agency,  Or next we will have the NSW Version..  Ambulance rescue, police rescue, volunterr rescue, NSWFB, SES, just depends on where you are.... 

Least if you keep it with one style of ageny.  such as fire,  we all know who to call.   

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Re: should all cfs/mfs stations take over rcr from ses
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2007, 08:02:02 PM »
I Agree,  SES should be Super Excelent Sandwich makers.....

I question the need for them at all!!  Well not quiet some units are very good but RCR should remain with one agency,  Or next we will have the NSW Version..  Ambulance rescue, police rescue, volunterr rescue, NSWFB, SES, just depends on where you are.... 

Least if you keep it with one style of ageny.  such as fire,  we all know who to call.   
i am going to have to say i agree with you 100%  :-)

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Re: should all cfs/mfs stations take over rcr from ses
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2007, 09:54:18 PM »
Bugger i was thinking SUBWAY make the best sandies....

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Re: should all cfs/mfs stations take over rcr from ses
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2007, 10:19:57 PM »
I always thought my sanga's were not that good, maybe i should try putting the oranges on first.... salad + peanut butter... mmmmm

Anyway. All it takes is for a bit of interservice training to make everything work smoothly. National training packages mean we are all working to the same standard (one would hope). Just need to standardise the gear!

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Re: should all cfs/mfs stations take over rcr from ses
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2007, 11:58:39 PM »
Least if you keep it with one style of ageny.  such as fire,  we all know who to call.   

Considering that dispatch for MFS, CFS and SES all come from the same place, your argument is null and void...

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Re: should all cfs/mfs stations take over rcr from ses
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2007, 10:28:12 AM »


Considering that dispatch for MFS, CFS and SES all come from the same place, your argument is null and void...
[/quote] yes that is right but are you aware that if you ring 000 and ask for ses they say sorry you have to ring a 1300 number and then Adelaide fire will take the call from that point? so to get one ses truck out on scene you have to ring two numbers figures

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Re: should all cfs/mfs stations take over rcr from ses
« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2007, 10:33:57 AM »
132500 is the SES emergency number...certainly one that not many people would remember if they dont have the fridge magnet hahaha

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Re: should all cfs/mfs stations take over rcr from ses
« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2007, 11:06:59 AM »
132500 is the SES emergency number...certainly one that not many people would remember if they dont have the fridge magnet hahaha

132500 is mainly for non-life threat incidents so that people do not overload the 000 number for tree down & roof damage during storm events. Many insurance companies give the 132500 number to residents.

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yes that is right but are you aware that if you ring 000 and ask for ses they say sorry you have to ring a 1300 number and then Adelaide fire will take the call from that point? so to get one ses truck out on scene you have to ring two numbers figures

In early 2006, the SES CRD moved to MFS Comcen. Since then the same people are answering the 000 call & 132500 call.

The 1300 300177 was disbanded (I think) in 2005.

Given the amount of time passed, I would be surprised if the 1300 still worked. I would also be extremely angry if you were told to call a different number recently.

How long ago did this happen    :?
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Re: should all cfs/mfs stations take over rcr from ses
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2007, 11:17:04 AM »
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Considering that dispatch for MFS, CFS and SES all come from the same place, your argument is null and void...
yes that is right but are you aware that if you ring 000 and ask for ses they say sorry you have to ring a 1300 number and then Adelaide fire will take the call from that point? so to get one ses truck out on scene you have to ring two numbers figures

samfs - ring 000 give them your emergency.... how hard is it?

arent we talking about rescue? if so... why would you (as a member of the public reporting a VA) call every individual service...? Adelaide Fire now respond all three (CFS/MFS/SES) services at the click of a button... so as filtered said, your argument is null and void.

do you actually have a sensible reason for your proposal?


ps; when you rang 000 and asked for SES, judging by the number you were told to ring, this would have been back when SES were being dispatched by CFS SOCC, therefore a differant number to get in touch with the correct comcen.

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Re: should all cfs/mfs stations take over rcr from ses
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2007, 11:19:23 AM »
132500 is the SES emergency number...certainly one that not many people would remember if they dont have the fridge magnet hahaha

ill bet you can remember pizza hut though... cant be too much more difficult.

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Re: should all cfs/mfs stations take over rcr from ses
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2007, 07:18:15 PM »
Isnt the real question "How will rescue be resourced under SAFECOM"



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« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2007, 09:15:56 PM »
the 132500 number is for storm damage only and is answerd by adelaide fire how ever when the ses scc is open it is answerd by ses if there is a road crash ring 000 ask for ambulance then all emergency services will be requested as adelaide fire dose not respond saas its not brain surgry

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Re: should all cfs/mfs stations take over rcr from ses
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2007, 11:36:06 AM »
Isnt the real question "How will rescue be resourced under SAFECOM"

Get on the journey boys and girls, there aren't going to multiple services for long...

For paid staff, most probably if the PSU & UFU sort out differences with SAFECOM management. I doubt if the operational arms of the organisations will change until the paid staff are combined.

Thus CFS, SES & MFS volunteers will be around for a few more years.

Maybe an election would have happened by then & with a change of government, this might not change operationally..

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Re: should all cfs/mfs stations take over rcr from ses
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2007, 09:37:40 PM »
Interesting when some in the fire services talk about taking over rescue, they talk about RCR. And yet when we "use" the fire services in the past, its storm damage or landsearch - not exactly rescue is it!

 I once had the opportunity/ pleasure to run some CFS guys through a landsearch session at a CFS training day (Lameroo) fantastic day and they did really well (found most of the chockies :-D.

For areas that have low numbers merging the brigade/ units, is a better option. They can then get the best of both worlds, Fully equipped SES trucks, access to SES specialist in usar,vertical,RCR,Storm damage, Disaster management,Landsearch etc. And still have access to all of the CFS specialist as well. All they would need is 4-6 people for the rescue team.
I think this is the way of the future, not shutting down one of the services. And here is a bit of info for you NSW SES is the largest provider of RCR in the state. VICSES is the same, the SES QLD still provides rescue including RCR, SES in Tasmania same & finally even in WA + NTSES still provide Rescue services.
Those who promote the one Super service need to remember all of that training you guys do & then add all of our training on top - then keep the training current. It is hard enough for us to keep current, hold down a job, remember the kids + keep sweet with the partner as well. :-D.
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Re: should all cfs/mfs stations take over rcr from ses
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2007, 06:23:20 PM »
And here is a bit of info for you, the NSWSES attended 849 RCR related callouts in 2005/2006. This number was eclipsed by both the VRA *and* the Fire Brigade.

I would imagine you would see that same trend in all other states. Check your facts champ :)
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