Author Topic: SAMFS News (Read 30407 times)

safireservice · « **Reply #25 on:** December 31, 2007, 03:42:33 PM »

Quote from: Zippy on December 31, 2007, 08:40:33 AM

just have a strike that involves less available pumpers to be dispatched..show the potentional future.

That already happens now, its what they call "reduced response". So they wouldnt be breaking any new ground there.

SA FIREFIGHTER · « **Reply #26 on:** December 31, 2007, 06:36:11 PM »

SAMFS have had many strikes over the years, but the firefighters STILL go to work. Just the paperwork etc will not be done

chook · « **Reply #27 on:** December 31, 2007, 06:55:32 PM »

Could do a nude stop work meeting that would attract attention

Seriously the UFU & SAMFS need to come up with a solution which is cost neutral.
Nobody cares if they don't do the paperwork
cheers

SA FIREFIGHTER · « **Reply #28 on:** January 01, 2008, 03:05:48 PM »

They care when you don't charge for instalation jobs etc

josh · « **Reply #29 on:** January 03, 2008, 06:59:29 PM »

CRIKEY.

Did you see how many firefighters have been paid over $100k in the last 12 months due to overtime?

They could drop that back to no overtime and employ another 50 full time firefighters!

What a rollercoaster ride the whole application process was. I think I might wait a few years before applying again. You get such a massive buzz doing the testing, and then get shattered.

boredmatrix · « **Reply #30 on:** January 03, 2008, 07:38:45 PM »

Quote from: SA FIREFIGHTER on January 01, 2008, 03:05:48 PM

They care when you don't charge for instalation jobs etc

it's funny how strikes don't work any more - but as soon as you threaten to lose income - the govt and management suddenly sit up and listen!! the ways of unions is changing - but the ambo's have over 97% membership - a rather self explanatory system?

The AEA has found that hitting the Gov't in the hip pocket is the best way to get action with the Rann Gov't. The last round of industrial action didn't result in strikes, but rather the billing copy of every case card went in the shredder, or just had no patient details in it - and costs the gov't somewhere in the vicinity of $100 000/day

SA Firey · « **Reply #31 on:** January 22, 2008, 08:20:27 PM »

The latest news from the UFU SA is a push for one Fire Emergency Service organisation.

Interesting read
http://www.ufusa.asn.au/safecom_submission.pdf

chook · « **Reply #32 on:** January 23, 2008, 06:31:36 AM »

A very interesting read especially when compared to the CFSVA submission.
Would like to see the SESVA submission too if it has been completed.
One of the common themes (in both the UFU & CFSVA)is the role of SAFECOM & what has it actually delivered?
The other is keeping SAFECOM out of operational matters, this is very different to the FESA & QLD model (in the higher level stuff anyway)that is floated on this forum.
Will the review take all of this stuff on board? Who knows, as it would mean major change to current thinking. There is also some empires & reputations on the line

As I said I wouldn't mind seeing the SESVA take on this, if there is one.
I did notice one thing though most of both submissions content is around the SAFECOMs relationship with the ESO's & the composition of the board. Not much around the operational side of things.
Finally thanks to the UFU for pointing out an anomaly that exists in the WR&C Act & the volunteer protection stuff in the F&ES Act
I think we are in for interesting times ahead.
cheers

Zippy · « **Reply #33 on:** January 23, 2008, 08:50:15 AM »

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The UFU believes the future for the South Australian Fire and Emergency sector is the
consolidation of Emergency Sector Organisations. In doing so the UFU believes the South
Australian Community will be best served by one single service; Fire, Emergency and
Rescue Services operating through one operational entity.

now thats a bold statement

Alan J · « **Reply #34 on:** January 23, 2008, 11:29:36 PM »

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The UFU believes the future for the South Australian Fire and Emergency sector is the
consolidation of Emergency Sector Organisations. In doing so the UFU believes the South Australian Community will be best served by one single service; Fire, Emergency and Rescue Services operating through one operational entity.

yet futher down we see this:

T.O.R. 6 – Individual Agencies as separate Legal Entities
The UFU supports the current legislative framework recognizing the three Emergency
Service Organisations as separate legal entities. The UFU also submit no changes to the autonomy of the organisations should be entertained.

I'm a bit confused. Any of you UFU peoples care to clarify ?
cheers

safireservice · « **Reply #35 on:** January 24, 2008, 09:08:58 AM »

Quote from: StopCallKing on January 23, 2008, 11:29:36 PM

Quote
The UFU believes the future for the South Australian Fire and Emergency sector is the
consolidation of Emergency Sector Organisations. In doing so the UFU believes the South Australian Community will be best served by one single service; Fire, Emergency and Rescue Services operating through one operational entity.

yet futher down we see this:

T.O.R. 6 – Individual Agencies as separate Legal Entities
The UFU supports the current legislative framework recognizing the three Emergency
Service Organisations as separate legal entities. The UFU also submit no changes to the autonomy of the organisations should be entertained.

I'm a bit confused. Any of you UFU peoples care to clarify ?
cheers

I think they just want to hold the purse strings. Keep the lions share of the funding and throw the scraps to the rest.

bajdas · « **Reply #36 on:** January 24, 2008, 12:57:31 PM »

Quote from: chook on January 23, 2008, 06:31:36 AM

...
Would like to see the SESVA submission too if it has been completed.
....

Chook,
Talk to your SASESVA rep at Loxton. A submission was created by SASESVA as well as a submission by SAFECOM Advisory Board.

chook · « **Reply #37 on:** January 24, 2008, 01:03:41 PM »

But Andrew, shouldn't they be available like the CFS & UFU ones are? - What if you aren't a member of the association?
But at least they have done something

cheers

Zippy · « **Reply #38 on:** January 24, 2008, 01:06:09 PM »

Now this statement will shake things up a bit....

could CFS members join the UFU

bajdas · « **Reply #39 on:** January 24, 2008, 01:14:22 PM »

Quote from: chook on January 24, 2008, 01:03:41 PM

But Andrew, shouldn't they be available like the CFS & UFU ones are? - What if you aren't a member of the association?
But at least they have done something
cheers

Ahhh, ask your Loxton based rep that question. He is on the SAFECOM Board as well.

I was not voted in at the last SASESVA election so I cannot answer. But I have some theories which will stay out of the public domain (otherwise I will get told off again)

chook · « **Reply #40 on:** January 24, 2008, 03:23:53 PM »

No worries mate - I think I already know why

Take it easy & will see the local guy & try to secure a copy of both.
cheers

rescue5271 · « **Reply #41 on:** January 24, 2008, 06:03:26 PM »

Why join the UFU?? start our own union our membership would be higher than the UFU.........

CFS_Firey · « **Reply #42 on:** January 24, 2008, 06:24:30 PM »

Quote from: rescue5271 on January 24, 2008, 06:03:26 PM

Why join the UFU?? start our own union our membership would be higher than the UFU.........

If we joined the UFU we wouldn't have anyone to bitch and moan about when the MFS start expanding, and allegedly the government would do anything we ask. We wouldn't want that!

--- this is sarcasm, for those that missed it...

chook · « **Reply #43 on:** January 24, 2008, 08:56:49 PM »

Ah but then there is always us to pick on

How would you get you subs paid? Brigade funds?

We don't need a union we both have the same thing - the associations remember?

Sarcasm duly noted & agreed with

cheers

SA Firey · « **Reply #44 on:** February 01, 2008, 09:10:26 PM »

The latest news on the battle http://www.ufusa.asn.au/08_wordback_1.pdf

and a audio link to Leon Byner's radio interview with all parties http://www.ufusa.asn.au/atwone/pod/cast_morning080130.mp3.html

chook · « **Reply #45 on:** February 02, 2008, 08:02:10 AM »

Yep seen it wonder what they are planning now?

SA Firey · « **Reply #46 on:** February 02, 2008, 02:45:14 PM »

After listening to the radio interview it is really clear who is telling porkies

safireservice · « **Reply #47 on:** February 02, 2008, 03:30:38 PM »

Quote: "We hereby put this government on notice that until appropriate funding and resources are provided for the staffing of Beulah Park it will remain embarrassingly empty."
Yeah nice work UFU, deny the residents of the area the "supposed" best level of emergency service.

Crownie24 · « **Reply #48 on:** February 02, 2008, 04:04:23 PM »

They were both talking out their filtered's..

Well when the fire services are stretched so thin that fires rage through homes like bushfires. We will say we told you so but it will be too late, but it will take that to see something done about it!

chook · « **Reply #49 on:** February 02, 2008, 04:32:57 PM »

The secret is out -EBA negotiations

Old union trick, during EBA roll out understaffing, poor conditions, OHS&W issues & most importantly go public!
There is obviously some stuff that SAMFS wants, which the union don't like & their main tool is public pressure. Can't have industrial action at this stage of negotiations, however you can over publi safety

Roll on Tuesday!
cheers