Introduction of aerial appliances to the CFS

[chook]

Ah that explains it then, every organisation needs one

[Alan J]

I do - does it involve abseiling?

Nope.
Figure to light the back-burn two stories below the fire floor,
and hope the wind don't change. Mostly worked ok on KI.
Just waiting for a CoQ to Wakefield so we can try it out. 

Of course if you wanted to get all sophisticated about it, there
is a water cannon version of the Skycrane. That might make Fireblade
a little happier.

[chook]

sounds great

[Zippy]

People, the solution is staring us in the face.
Get an Ericsson Aircrane !!

All Air Cranes need to be a good tool is a In Air Refueling system similar to military aircraft

[SA Firey]

For info an Erickson Aircrane has been used to do a drop on a house fire...I will locate the video link I saw it on for you....

[rescue5271]

Skycrane and other aircraft have been used in the past to drop water on fires that are in/around houses have seen it before in NSW and in the states....

[JC]

SCK might be onto something, the skycrane actually comes with a cannon attachment the points out the front for use at high rise and other no wildfire jobs.

http://www.ericksonaircrane.com/images/EACalbum2/pages/Cannon.html

http://www.ericksonaircrane.com/images/EACalbum2/pages/CannonCU.html

[mack]

haha thats awesome...

[FROGGY]

thanks they are great links awsome for sure 

[Sarge]

Consider an area like the Barossa, hefty investment in huge infrastructure. Multi Storey buildings and extreme risk.

The nearest sky jet is at Oakden probably a solid forty minute drive to Nuri even with the assistance of green lights all the way. Surely a brigade like Tanunda, Nuri, Lyndoch should have appliances proportionate to the risk covered.

The risk should determine the appliances in stations not if the service providers are paid a wage or not.

Does that mean all country towns with concrete wheat silos should get aerials, cool place orders for Owen, Hamley Bridge, Balaklava, Tarlee, Mallala & half of the Yorke Pennisula send them with our tankers

[Evac]

Consider an area like the Barossa, hefty investment in huge infrastructure. Multi Storey buildings and extreme risk.

The nearest sky jet is at Oakden probably a solid forty minute drive to Nuri even with the assistance of green lights all the way. Surely a brigade like Tanunda, Nuri, Lyndoch should have appliances proportionate to the risk covered.

The risk should determine the appliances in stations not if the service providers are paid a wage or not.

Does that mean all country towns with concrete wheat silos should get aerials, cool place orders for Owen, Hamley Bridge, Balaklava, Tarlee, Mallala & half of the Yorke Pennisula send them with our tankers

Sarge you do need to get out more.

The Barossa has the highest rate of infrastructure development in the state. And has had so for the last 3 to 5 years. If you look at it realistically what is the long term economic loss to a community if a wheat silo smolders away and destroys it's self.... very little. When you assess a risk like those we are talking about (Not silos) the long term impact on the community  from an infrastructure loss (and the following consequences.. employment etc) the size of Orlando's or Fosters storage and packaging facilities needs a great amount of consideration.

One then begs the question, is it upto the government to provide fire cover (eg aerial appliances and large pumpers to boost sprinkler systems etc)above the BCA or should the government provide the resources to ensure protection / rescue of life that may be threatened by an incident within one of these large infrastructures and leave the company to deal with the fire protection and damage minimisation. You do not have to look to far to see those companies that provide an emergency response team and equipment to do just that.

[Firefrog]

Consider an area like the Barossa, hefty investment in huge infrastructure. Multi Storey buildings and extreme risk.

The nearest sky jet is at Oakden probably a solid forty minute drive to Nuri even with the assistance of green lights all the way. Surely a brigade like Tanunda, Nuri, Lyndoch should have appliances proportionate to the risk covered.

The risk should determine the appliances in stations not if the service providers are paid a wage or not.

Does that mean all country towns with concrete wheat silos should get aerials, cool place orders for Owen, Hamley Bridge, Balaklava, Tarlee, Mallala & half of the Yorke Pennisula send them with our tankers

Agrees with Evac.

But I think the government does have some responsibility to protect infrastructure. If not then why would SAMFS purchase trucks like Brontos? They see the high rise risk and fund the appropriate resources to cover the risk. If it where left to building owners in the city there would not be appropriate resource.

Back to my earlier point the fire service should be provided with appliances appropriate to risk even if that risk is developing rapidly. Clearly Silos have an economic impact for lost grain etc but Large shopping centres, wineries, factory's in my view create a greater economic and social impact if lost than a silo.
 

[Sarge]

Consider an area like the Barossa, hefty investment in huge infrastructure. Multi Storey buildings and extreme risk.

The nearest sky jet is at Oakden probably a solid forty minute drive to Nuri even with the assistance of green lights all the way. Surely a brigade like Tanunda, Nuri, Lyndoch should have appliances proportionate to the risk covered.

The risk should determine the appliances in stations not if the service providers are paid a wage or not.

Does that mean all country towns with concrete wheat silos should get aerials, cool place orders for Owen, Hamley Bridge, Balaklava, Tarlee, Mallala & half of the Yorke Pennisula send them with our tankers

Sarge you do need to get out more.

The Barossa has the highest rate of infrastructure development in the state. And has had so for the last 3 to 5 years. If you look at it realistically what is the long term economic loss to a community if a wheat silo smolders away and destroys it's self.... very little. When you assess a risk like those we are talking about (Not silos) the long term impact on the community  from an infrastructure loss (and the following consequences.. employment etc) the size of Orlando's or Fosters storage and packaging facilities needs a great amount of consideration.

One then begs the question, is it upto the government to provide fire cover (eg aerial appliances and large pumpers to boost sprinkler systems etc)above the BCA or should the government provide the resources to ensure protection / rescue of life that may be threatened by an incident within one of these large infrastructures and leave the company to deal with the fire protection and damage minimisation. You do not have to look to far to see those companies that provide an emergency response team and equipment to do just that.

And u appear to need a sence of humor, When we have trouble trying to get a tanker or a replacement for our old 24 do u think I would seriously believe that we would get an arial. Hmmm

[rescue5271]

The goverment should provide the appliances,any new development will always have conditions placed on it from the local council and the CFS,these conditions could be that a booster system be installed to provide better support to the site sprinkler for use by the  fire service.

[Faux Pas]

Skycrane and other aircraft have been used in the past to drop water on fires that are in/around houses have seen it before in NSW and in the states....

Yeah good idea lets use an aircraft that cost in excess of $2000 just to get off the ground to start fighting structure fires!! Please tell me you are not being serious!!!

The government providing appliances like this, good luck! The government have a hard enough time trying to understand what exactly it is that the CFS do, let alone being able to provide enough funding for what is actually required by the service in regards to replacement appliances, training, equipment and not to mention employing enough staff to actually provide volunteers with sufficient support during fires or the day to day running of the service.

[Zippy]

The government have a hard enough time trying to understand what exactly it is that the CFS do

Pretty easy..would love to have a few simple words with Zollo...ok  Here is the MFS...they do this...and here is the CFS, they do pretty much the same as MFS PLUS Rural fire response.  Where the MFS do not exist the CFS does .  The only downfall in the CFS is that the level of service is not exactly the same for every country town on the map.

The M only means slightly better training, slightly more funding and being paid. Oh and Foxtel.

[6739264]

No sorry, you can't expect the government to understand what the CFS does when the CFS doesn't even know what it does. According to the powers that be, we still only do Rural jobs. Go figure.

[Zippy]

who then signed off the last batch of Type 2 pumpers on the budget   Pretty USELESS for rural jobs ey??

CFS definately has to meet its Urban Firefighting demands.

[Faux Pas]

Ah but the CFS does know what it does...maybe if some of the volunteers who are so forward on their opinions actually looked into things a little more they would know that the service is quite clear on what it does!

Take a look at the Strategic Directions 2005-2007, found on the cfs website under about us, in its Vivid Description of the CFS! 

[Zippy]

according to that document...CFS has 85 urban appliances   thats more than MFS 

yes i know...only a few handful of them are proper pumpers.

[Faux Pas]

Do you mean that the service actually has proper pumpers??? Where are they hiding them??

Ah wait a minute..you mean the ones that never work when you need them to, that are always breaking down!! 

[Zippy]

Only have to look at the brigades with Type 2 pumpers to find them.

[Cameron Yelland]

The type 2 pumper is only classified as a medium pumper.  but really what constitutes a proper pumper? 4000lpm? 3000lpm? stowage?

[Faux Pas]

I would suggest that without getting to technical a "proper pumper" would obviously be an appliance classed as a pumper, that is used solely for that purpose, not for rescue as well as being a pumper, that it must be capable of utilising all booster systems in the area and is sufficient for the areas risk.

[Pipster]

The classification of a Pumper relates generally to its pumping capacity - the so called "Type 2" pumpers are classed as medium pumpers with a pump capacity between 2838 lpm (750 gpm) and 3785 lpm (1000 gpm).

The only Heavy Pumper in  the CFS fleet is Seaford Pumper - Heavy Pumper classified as a capacity of 3785 lpm (1000 gpm) or more

Pip