Introduction of aerial appliances to the CFS

[big bronto]

Mack thankyou for pointing out the obvious, i am well aware of when cfs brigades train and how many calls they do.You also have to look at the locations of the brigades that do the calls. Mount Barker is the brigade doing a lot of calls that is a bit of a drive from Adelaide, as for you morphett vales, seaford, salisbury, dalkeith, happy valley they are all surrounded by MFS specialist appliances.

My comments in regards to MFS retained firefighters getting the skyjets is because they have the support of their service to provide aerial appliance training and due to them already having bronto and skyjet appliance can run courses easier. CFS taking on these rolls would not work, CFS couldn't even take on USAR let alone go into aerial appliances.

As a few have said utilise monitors if you have them and if their is no risk to life utilise ground monitors, 64mm/50mm lines and hose reels and keep yourself safe.

[uniden]

you dont use Skyjets etc at house fires though...

[mack]

Mack thankyou for pointing out the obvious

no problems

the brigades you list are not particularly close to aerial appliances, when you actually consider where these MFS resources are stationed.

USAR? why would we want to take over an SES job


anyway, CFS areas that could benefit from them, but as i previously stated, i cant imagine it ever happening.

[chook]

Not take over an SES job? Shock horror
Why not? (joking of course!)
And what you say about CFS vs Retained MFS is quite correct - there is not much difference. And once you have the equipment then training and refresher training won't be an issue. As I said before if the risk is there then the equipment should be available. We have large wineries here with distilleries as well & large factories with sandwich panel inner walls (no sprinklers) so the ability to go up and over walls including large concrete tanks would be a bonus.
Good luck with your ideas on aerial appliances - I think you need them.
cheers

[safireservice]

you dont use Skyjets etc at house fires though...

Why not the MFS do.

[rescue5271]

We had a pay staffer say that we should not be on the roof trying to put out a chimney fire,I said if that is the case CFS better place a filtered big order for skyjet's......

[Crank]

Not take over an SES job? Shock horror
Why not? (joking of course!)
And what you say about CFS vs Retained MFS is quite correct - there is not much difference. And once you have the equipment then training and refresher training won't be an issue. As I said before if the risk is there then the equipment should be available. We have large wineries here with distilleries as well & large factories with sandwich panel inner walls (no sprinklers) so the ability to go up and over walls including large concrete tanks would be a bonus.
Good luck with your ideas on aerial appliances - I think you need them.
cheers

Yes it is strange that one of the Riverland MFS brigades dont have a skyjet.  A lot of large buildings in that area.  Same with Victor MFS & Maybe even Murray Bridge MFS.

Realistically i can only think of three areas that may require an aerial appliance within CFS areas.  That would be Mt Barker, Barossa somewhere (Nuri?) & Millicent.

[rescue5271]

No need at Millicent,MFS are only 20 mins away and the only good size structure is Kimberly clarke,You have to keep in mind that if you start to have aerials you also have to have a pumper to be able to supply the flow rate and you also need to have good town water supply or tanks/fire pumps at these risk sites....

[6739264]

you dont use Skyjets etc at house fires though...

Why not? Multiple level buildings are bread and butter for aerials.

No need at Millicent,MFS are only 20 mins away and the only good size structure is Kimberly clarke,You have to keep in mind that if you start to have aerials you also have to have a pumper to be able to supply the flow rate and you also need to have good town water supply or tanks/fire pumps at these risk sites....

Why do you need another pumper? The whole point I made at the start of this thread was *not* a Bronto or Ladder style appliance that requires another pump to pump into it. A Skyjet/Telesuirt etc etc, style appliance has its own pump, seats more than a crew of 2 and has a full urban stowage, some also haveing Hazmat and RCR stowage.

This type of appliance is the same as any other pump, it just has a telescopic ladder and waterway built on top. It can operate independent of other appliances. That was the point, that if certain CFS areas needed an aerial, this would be the way to go, as you don't need to have a second truck there to make it useful.

I think you would find that most of the areas that would require coverage by an aerial appliance would generally have decent water supply, enough at least for the initial attack. If there are issues, then it just turns into a case of long distance relay pumping.

[rescue5271]

well may be you should come and do some hydrany flow testing and you will see that there are areas that would not support water for  punper let alone a aerial.Mind you with the new BWC for gambier group should not be a problem. Dont get me wrong I can see a need in some areas but look outside the whole picture use what you have at hand......

[6739264]

well may be you should come and do some hydrany flow testing and you will see that there are areas that would not support water for  punper let alone a aerial.Mind you with the new BWC for gambier group should not be a problem. Dont get me wrong I can see a need in some areas but look outside the whole picture use what you have at hand......

Look outside the whole picture? Mate there are only  couple of places that could use a CFS crewed Aerial appliance, and those areas have reasonably good mains supply. Most industrial complexes have much larger mains and flow pressures that the average suburban street.

If you are not getting the pressure or flow you desire, I hope to god you are running multiple lines into your pump, or relay pumping from an appropriate water source.

[uniden]

The whole reason for not using an aerial applaince at a house fire is to minimise the damage. Even house fires in 2 storey buildings you dont really need them. No good causing more water damage than the filtered fire does. Hence why we use generally use HP lines at house fires not 64mm hose that blasts the crap out of everything. If the house is practically a parking lot anyway there obviously not much you can do regardless.

[mack]

Uniden, we take a 'rescue' truck to every vehicle accident, but dont necessarily use rescue gear... a skyjet, like those in service with SAMFS at the moment, can also be used simply as a pump.

The boom is just one of the perks of that apparatus.

[6739264]

The whole reason for not using an aerial applaince at a house fire is to minimise the damage. Even house fires in 2 storey buildings you dont really need them. No good causing more water damage than the filtered fire does. Hence why we use generally use HP lines at house fires not 64mm hose that blasts the crap out of everything. If the house is practically a parking lot anyway there obviously not much you can do regardless.

It all depends. There is no clear cut answer as to when to use aerials or when not to. The only suggestion I made in the initial post was that in certain areas with large commercial and industrial assets, like Mt. Barker, an aerial would be a very useful appliance. As mack suggested, there is nothing that forces you to use the boom and elevated waterway EVERY time. Its merely another tool that allows you the freedom to use it if you need to.

...and who is this 'we' that uses HP lines for the majority of your House fire work? What ever happened to the good old 38mm?

Firefighter Safety > Water Damage.

[uniden]

I meant you dont usually use the boom part of the skyjet at house fires. Of course you can use the appliance as a pumper. Most of the house fires I have been to, HP lines were adequate. Obviously larger hoses are used sometimes depending on the situation.

Of course some fire appliances have 90 metre hose reels. Do yours??

[backburn]

Not take over an SES job? Shock horror
Why not? (joking of course!)
And what you say about CFS vs Retained MFS is quite correct - there is not much difference. And once you have the equipment then training and refresher training won't be an issue. As I said before if the risk is there then the equipment should be available. We have large wineries here with distilleries as well & large factories with sandwich panel inner walls (no sprinklers) so the ability to go up and over walls including large concrete tanks would be a bonus.
Good luck with your ideas on aerial appliances - I think you need them.
cheers

Yes it is strange that one of the Riverland MFS brigades dont have a skyjet.  A lot of large buildings in that area.  Same with Victor MFS & Maybe even Murray Bridge MFS.

Realistically i can only think of three areas that may require an aerial appliance within CFS areas.  That would be Mt Barker, Barossa somewhere (Nuri?) & Millicent.

When I have been to the Riverland I have not see any use for a skyjet.

[rescue5271]

Renmark MFS will need one with that new shopping centre going up.....

[backburn]

thats no bigger than the one at Berri

[rescue5271]

When I was in Mildura this year I was talking to a CFA staffer and he was saying that if they needed an aerial appliance it would be faster for it to come from SAMFS...If there is a need for one of these in the county then lets look at the fast growth area's,which will have their own risk's in that area.In the end its up to SAFECOM and the fire service to say they have a need....

[big bronto]

not trying to upset anyone but has anyone on this forum actually used a skyjet/telesquirt/teleboom for any type of incident???

[6739264]

Yes, why do you ask?

[F.B.R.T]

Yep, count me in too!
I have used a Skyjet at lots of varied jobs, and they are very versatile due to the fact they can perform many more roles than just a typical aerial monitor/ladder.
You have to think outside the square sometimes!!(and work within appliances capabilities) 

[fireblade]

I ride on a skyjet every second shift rotation at my work. As anything else they are a tool for fire suppression. Valuable in industrial areas for aerial attack as well as the possibility of using the boom to access higher levels of structures as a ladder. They dont solve every problem at a job.

They are no harder to use than any other appliance, you just have to spend time getting familiar with it and know the appliances limitations.

I guess CFS has not got them as they can be a very expensive bit of kit to purchase, depending on what applications you have on it.

[rescue5271]

Have used years ago in CFA they have there place....

[big bronto]

Just interested the few people that said yes were not the people who were giving the opinions and facts on the forum.