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Offline bittenyakka

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state of emergency
« on: December 18, 2007, 07:28:30 AM »
With the recent KI fires almost becoming a state of emergency I was wondering what exactly does it change like what powers are gained etc.

i also heard that it would enable the army to be called in to help but why can't we ask for the army without calling a state of emergency?

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Re: state of emergency
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2007, 10:32:42 AM »
Opens up the funding!.. Basically.. - Also enables different powers in the areas under declaration etc..

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Re: state of emergency
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2007, 10:59:22 AM »
It brings the full force of the Emergency Management Act into play. For example Part 6 section 33 - Employment
A person who is absent from employment on official duties in connection with response or recovery operations undertaken in accordance with this act is not liable to be dismissed or prejudiced in employment by reason of that absence.
The above is one example - imagine how many crews would have put their hand up if this was in acted.
It also opens the federal purse strings and allows the official use of the defence force.
The short answer to your question on the army is no not really, a local commander could get his people to help i.e. after the Newcastle earthquake.
But that would be a bit hard in relation to KI (no local units), the big problem is who would pay? I for one am curious why it wasn't declared.
I know from previous experience interstate that the state governments get a bit nervous about using the military. The way it was explained to me was that if the states used military people and equipment all the time, then it would be hard to justify increased expenditure within the state emergency management sphere.
Also if you read the act, the State Coordinator & his people (SAPOL) have a lot of power & may not agree with the plans & actions of the Control agency e.g. they may for example demand forced evacuations rather than the stay or go policy.
Get a copy of the Act its not a heavy read (20 pages), you might see some stuff that would surprise some people.
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Re: state of emergency
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2007, 03:56:26 PM »
The opening up of the Treasury, under a declaration, is perhaps the most useful thing for us.

In relation to the army, there is no reason why the army cannot be used for any incident - and a declaration does not have to be made, to be able to sue them.

The process to utilise the army is quite simple...the Premier sends a request for the use of the army, to the Prime Minister.  The Prime Minister sends the request to someone else who I can't remember (it might have been the Attorney general) who then authorises it.....

There are a few problems with using the army...many of the units are chronically short staffed, due to all of the deployments they have got going elsewhere in the world....and the perhaps the perception by the general public, that if you call the army in things must be really really bad.....?

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Re: state of emergency
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2007, 05:17:01 PM »
i dont get/understand what the army would do?
do they know how to fight fires?
im quiet new to all this and havent heard about utilizing the army before.

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Re: state of emergency
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2007, 06:44:57 PM »
When I was in the Army, part of our recruit training included firefighting however, it was only basic.  My first fire fighting experience was with the army puting out a fire started by a .50 cal machine gun.

The Army has a lot of logistical resources that can be used.  For instance when in Melbourne as we were in signals we were called upon to use these skills when fires were burning around there.  Plus think they have trucks (fuel, water)kitchens etc.

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Re: state of emergency
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2007, 06:51:04 PM »
Army,has a number of roles that they could play,AIIMS,catering,logistics support,air support and many other jobs.They also have a wide range of earth moving equipment that would be of great use. The state of emergency has been used in NSW not long ago for storm damange.....

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Re: state of emergency
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2007, 08:11:53 PM »
oh okay thanks guys. so there usefull  :-D

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Re: state of emergency
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2007, 09:26:28 PM »
Doesn't it allow SAPOL to force people to evacuate instead of just recommending them to.  :?
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Re: state of emergency
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2007, 06:58:28 AM »
Yep it does - it also changes the way things are handled.
Pip you are right, you can just ask - that was a change after Newcastle Earthquake but who will foot the bill? A declaration puts the costs onto the Feds. "Note: On occasions when there is immediate risk to safety of life or property, State authorities may seek immediate assistance directly from local Australian Defence Force Units to alleviate that risk." EMA web site

My first experience with wildfire was in the army (Ash Wednesday fires 1983)
Who else can mobilise 400 trained & disciplined troops 50 trucks, three helo's (including a Chinook), three bulldozers + lowloaders that are totally self sufficient in 24 hrs? and that was for only one part of the fire! Plus they have movement specialist who could have handled the transport of crews to & from the KI without a lot of the ballsups that occurred - sitting at an airfield waiting for a plane to come that kept getting delayed is no fun!
And you talk about showers, the military have them on tap - so to speak :wink:
Not sure if they still have them, but we had 6 36,000 litre water tankers (3 active 3 in storage)+ numerous rigid tankers. And no weight restrictions (the military don't have to follow state laws if they don't want too).
So there is a lot of capability there, more than people realise (Charleville 1989 they looked after the whole town of over 3000 people for 7 days during the floods the local airport was one of the busiest in the country that week!).
So hope that answers some of the questions, and yes they are a bit stretched but there is still enough capacity for Emergency Management.
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Re: state of emergency
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2007, 06:04:44 PM »
does anyone know where i can get/download a copy of the act.?
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Re: state of emergency
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2007, 06:19:56 PM »
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