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Rescuing the rescuers.
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The CFS BA and Hazmat course both reinforce the principles of having two people(min) ready, at incidents, to effect the rescue of persons already involved in combating the incident.
This is great, yet it was never pointed out that you may need more than just people power to help others. There was no real discussion of tools/techniques to assist those trapped/disorientated.
What do you do in you brigade/group for this sort of thing?
Is the rescue crew outside sitting around with the thumb in their behind or do they have the necessary equipment on hand to rapidly effect the rescue of downed personnel? If so, what do they carry? Should different equipment be made standard stowage to allow properly equipped rescue teams?
bittenyakka:
well it would be great if we could have someting similar to the US with there huge RIT trucks but i agree that much more shuld be implemented in training to pull ff out if needed.
however it was mentioned at a recent trining session i atended that in BA we only realy train for dragging FF out if they run ut of air for example. Should we train for getting crews out of colapsed buildings or traped under faling stuff and using appropriate tlls eg hydrualic in those enviroments.
I know we try to avoid most of these events but mabey they should be ooked at more.
mack:
--- Quote from: bittenyakka on January 08, 2008, 08:21:52 PM ---
however it was mentioned at a recent trining session i atended that in BA we only realy train for dragging FF out if they run ut of air for example. Should we train for getting crews out of colapsed buildings or traped under faling stuff and using appropriate tlls eg hydrualic in those enviroments.
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well i spose that then turns into a USAR in a sense doesnt it?
re; safety crews for BA, we've never had any firm procedure other than having a crew available... i suppose these new 'rescue mats' could become something that the crew may hang onto, along with tools for forcing entry. But other than that, i dont believe anyone carries any specialist tools (not in SACFS anyway...)
chook:
As Mack said collapsed buildings are USAR, mind you if it is a burning building and it suddenly collapses and you can't effect a "snatch type" rescue, then what is your plan?
Any type of rescue that requires the use of hydraulic equipment (either HOH or powered) or Air bag lifting equipment is going to take time. The same as heavy cutting equipment or winches etc.
Also your equipment needs increase markedly - shoring, cribbing etc.
Will it all fit on a standard pumper?
And different training - the type of rescue training that SES does for example :wink:
So I'm curious What type of rescues are we talking about? And How often does this type of incident happen in SA? (trapped fire fighters)What are the real & perceived risks?
And if the risks are so great & rural brigades don't have the people or equipment then why aren't the local rescue services responded to structural fires?
cheers
bittenyakka:
yeah it does turn into a USAR job with fire and i know that my 24 is not caperble of doiing that work.
and once again it turns into a who should carry what discussion.
However i remember watching a video abut emergency airpacs carried by US crews so that they culd keep supplying air to trapped crew while they are rescued as you wll always have the time limmit of air. should this equipment be brught into CFS?
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