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Re: Fire 000
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2008, 05:11:09 AM »
I hope that you also noted that a SINGLE EMBER from a van alight could have caused another HUGE bushfire on an ISOLATED stretch of ROAD.

BA for a car fire? HA HA HA, suck it up son! Smoke eating is good for the lungs.

S/O's are physically incapable of donning flashhoods correctly.

TIC Camera? Its like an ATM Machine.
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Re: Fire 000
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2008, 06:54:13 AM »
I hope this show comes out on DVD as we have not had it on TV down here

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Re: Fire 000
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2008, 10:00:21 AM »
I thought introducting oxygen to an oxygen starved fire was called a backdraft, not a flashover...?

to be technically correct introducing oxygen could cause either phenomenon to occur. All depends on the conditions in the room/structure.

I am shocked at the lack of BA use for car fires!!!

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Re: Fire 000
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2008, 10:47:41 AM »
I thought introducting oxygen to an oxygen starved fire was called a backdraft, not a flashover...?

to be technically correct introducing oxygen could cause either phenomenon to occur. All depends on the conditions in the room/structure.

I am shocked at the lack of BA use for car fires!!!

To be technically correct, if there is limited ventilation and hence a lack of oxygen - the introduction of oxygen causes a sudden deflagration, thats a backdraught.

You can introduce as much oxygen as you want to a room, but until the room and its contents are heated sufficiently, and there is an ignition point for the released pyrolysis gases, it ain't flashing.
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Re: Fire 000
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2008, 10:58:54 AM »
As firefrog stated, it depends on the conditions / type of room/structure and level at which the fire has developed.

The introduction of oxygen could cause it to flash. If the oxygen causes an IM (of pyrolosis gasses, heat and I/S) the room / fire could reach flash point.. - It is all dependant on the type of room, structure, condition of fire etc.

Things not really worth debating about in this thread..

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Re: Fire 000
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2008, 11:03:16 AM »
Why not? It's a Thursday morning and I'm sure we could all use another terrible tail chasing debate ;)
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Re: Fire 000
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2008, 11:33:54 AM »
Hehe.. Could crack a few early bev's, sit back and watch the fun..

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Re: Fire 000
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2008, 11:58:24 AM »
Anybody know the SOP's for NSWFB in regards to Car Fires?

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Re: Fire 000
« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2008, 12:03:38 PM »
...........  Put it out.









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Re: Fire 000
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2008, 12:05:10 PM »
...........  Put it out.

Put it out using FOAM before its starts a BUSHFIRE or DESTROYS a neighbourhood.  Also check if its on gas.

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Re: Fire 000
« Reply #35 on: June 19, 2008, 12:08:44 PM »
... In the most MANLY way possible. BA is to be left at the station, under lock and KEY.
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Re: Fire 000
« Reply #36 on: June 19, 2008, 12:10:47 PM »
RescueHazmat....yes duh :wink:...but SOP for employing Self-Protection (ie BA)?


Id like to know the stats of retired firey's in there 70-80's and what medical conditions they have....for NSWFB i can only picture it being somewhat grim.
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Re: Fire 000
« Reply #37 on: June 19, 2008, 12:11:43 PM »
C'mon Zippy.. You have to be quicker than that mate.. - Clearly tongue in cheek.. :P

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Re: Fire 000
« Reply #38 on: June 19, 2008, 12:17:27 PM »
...the winter flu dont help with humour my bad :(

Guys down at the South East, i have heard it is going to DVD ;)

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Re: Fire 000
« Reply #39 on: June 19, 2008, 12:18:35 PM »
Zippy, I think you'll find that like most modern day fire services and the CFS, BA should be worn in a HOTS environment. It's usually upto the individual to make the decision. Its an issue the world over in relation to firefighting and when to use BA.
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Re: Fire 000
« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2008, 11:20:06 AM »
I thought introducting oxygen to an oxygen starved fire was called a backdraft, not a flashover...?

to be technically correct introducing oxygen could cause either phenomenon to occur. All depends on the conditions in the room/structure.

I am shocked at the lack of BA use for car fires!!!

To be technically correct, if there is limited ventilation and hence a lack of oxygen - the introduction of oxygen causes a sudden deflagration, thats a backdraught.

You can introduce as much oxygen as you want to a room, but until the room and its contents are heated sufficiently, and there is an ignition point for the released pyrolysis gases, it ain't flashing.

6739264 but you are only partly correct.  8-)

If an increase in oxygen causes a sudden event such as blow torching from openings then that is likely to be a back draught. A back draught is only likely to occur in a room where there is a lot of heat and the room is rich in fuel, most probably above the UFL.

By definition a flash over is the point at which a growing fire transitions and becomes a fully involved fire (that could be a very fast and violent event but not a back draught. So in the absence of sufficient heat in an oxygen starved fire a back draught may not occur, however the overall increase in fire behaviour due to more air may infact cause the fire to become rapidly fully involved by flashing over especially if the room is already rich in fuel.

But that's off topic, still would not put out a car fire without BA. Too many firies are dying of cancer. The national UFU are having a campaign right now about awareness of workplace exposure to all sorts of nasties.

Only need one fire fighter to Don up and only takes 30 - 50 seconds to do.

Play safe I say!
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Re: Fire 000
« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2008, 12:53:37 PM »
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Only need one fire fighter to Don up and only takes 30 - 50 seconds to do.

or in the case of the particular fire service in the Fire000 show...they can don up enroute to the job...and start up within a eye-shot of the vehicle on fire. ;)

They must just hate cleaning there masks.

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Re: Fire 000
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2008, 03:31:58 PM »
Takes 5 mins.. And beats the heck outa a lungh full of plastc / epoxy / rubber / synthetic and fuel vapours, gasses and smoke.

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Re: Fire 000
« Reply #43 on: June 23, 2008, 09:19:26 AM »
6739264 but you are only partly correct.  8-)

I'd like to hope that we can at least agree that the terminology used on the tele was incorrect ;)

Certainly nill excuse to not be wearing BA when the set is mounted in your seat...
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Re: Fire 000
« Reply #44 on: June 23, 2008, 05:24:22 PM »
Some people learn the hard way....why would you not afford the best protection for your respiratory system, unless you have a death wish :evil:
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Re: Fire 000
« Reply #45 on: June 24, 2008, 08:05:22 AM »
Just turn the monitor on and sit back,it will go out sooner or later.....

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Re: Fire 000
« Reply #46 on: June 25, 2008, 08:20:59 PM »
Good to see 88 wearing BA this time! Although still lacking the flashhood!
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Re: Fire 000
« Reply #47 on: June 25, 2008, 09:19:06 PM »
Bugger missed it again :-(
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Re: Fire 000
« Reply #48 on: June 25, 2008, 09:20:03 PM »
Just turn the monitor on and sit back,it will go out sooner or later.....

Monitor?

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Re: Fire 000
« Reply #49 on: June 25, 2008, 10:05:12 PM »
Up on the roof, or down on the ground...
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