Author Topic: Budget 2008/09 (Read 18713 times)

uniden · « **on:** June 06, 2008, 05:41:56 PM »

Is there any big ticket items for the CFS/MFS in the state budget??? Cannot be bothered reading the whole thing. Some of last years budget new building projects were for 08/09 and beyond. Seaford and Pt Lincoln MFS etc.

rescue5271 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 06, 2008, 07:05:01 PM »

I did hear that some staff positions where to be relocated back to the big smoke,so you may see VSO and some BSO service's removed but that has been a on going think for a few months... has its good and bad points....

Cameron Yelland · « **Reply #2 on:** June 06, 2008, 07:31:48 PM »

$8.2 million on the Computer Aided Dispatch (CAD) project. The CAD project will replace the
emergency response management and dispatch systems currently in use within the
South Australian Fire and Emergency Services Commission, SAPOL and the SA Ambulance
Service;
Computer Aided Dispatch (CAD) Project
Completion due March 2010. The CAD Project is to be
completed in three stages and will replace the emergency
response management and dispatch systems currently in use
within the SA Fire and Emergency Services Commission,

$6.0 million for the construction of two new SA Metropolitan Fire Service fire stations at Seaford
and Paradise;
Seaford Fire Station
Paradise Fire Station
Completion due March 2009. Construction of a new fire
station at Paradise.
Commencement July 2008; completion due June 2010.

$5.8 million for the construction of a new SA Metropolitan Fire Service fire station and the
acquisition of a firefighting appliance in Port Lincoln;
Port Lincoln Fire Station
Completion due June 2009. Construction of a new fire station
at Port Lincoln to replace the existing ageing station.
Port Lincoln Firefighting Appliance
Completion due June 2009. Acquisition of an additional
firefighting appliance with a telescopic aerial boom to address
the risk of emergencies in high-rise buildings in Port Lincoln.

$15.9 million over four years for aerial firefighting, including an aircrane dedicated to South Australia, staffing for aerial firefighting supervision and operations management and improved fire retardant mixing infrastructure;
• $8.6 million over four years for 22 additional firefighters for the new Paradise Fire Station;
• $2.9 million over four years for community education on bushfires, enhanced training for bushfire management teams and the employment of a Regional Public Warnings Officer;
• $808 000 over three years for continuation of the government’s contribution to bushfire research;

bittenyakka · « **Reply #3 on:** June 06, 2008, 08:23:45 PM »

So nothing unexpected

You would thing there could be $4 million to replace aging hinos in CFS fleet?

rescue5271 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 07, 2008, 07:32:20 AM »

So once again CFS miss out.....

CFS_Firey · « **Reply #5 on:** June 07, 2008, 08:51:25 AM »

Quote from: Cameron Yelland on June 06, 2008, 07:31:48 PM

• $8.6 million over four years for 22 additional firefighters for the new Paradise Fire Station;

(8,600,000/4)/22 = $97,727.27

That's not a bad wage...

Cameron Yelland · « **Reply #6 on:** June 07, 2008, 09:17:58 AM »

probaly the biggest thing i can see for the CFS is the funding of the CAD system with the completion date of 2010....

First time i have actually seen a date put to it.

calspec · « **Reply #7 on:** June 07, 2008, 10:42:14 AM »

Quote from: CFS_Firey on June 07, 2008, 08:51:25 AM

Quote from: Cameron Yelland on June 06, 2008, 07:31:48 PM
• $8.6 million over four years for 22 additional firefighters for the new Paradise Fire Station;

(8,600,000/4)/22 = $97,727.27

That's not a bad wage...

Likely that the $8.6m includes admin costs - superannuation, workcover premiums, training, equipment and PPE, allowances for sick and annual leave and of course payroll tax. All are cost associated with employing persons, all have to budgeted for.

Probably works out that "employee" would be lucky to recieve 60-70% of that budget in actual wages.

Cameron Yelland · « **Reply #8 on:** June 07, 2008, 12:39:20 PM »

Quote from: bittenyakka on June 06, 2008, 08:23:45 PM

So nothing unexpected

You would thing there could be $4 million to replace aging hinos in CFS fleet?

That funding is allocated to the CFS in the annual budget under capital works? or another banner..

The listed items are specially funded items that wouldnt normally be completed? CFS stations dont come under that banner i guess.

chook · « **Reply #9 on:** June 07, 2008, 12:51:02 PM »

Not sure what the problem is:-
Money for skycrane
Money for Management team training
SACAD
new trucks currently being phased in
new positions
So what is the problem?
Ageing Hino's - how often are they used? really!
When are people going to learn that its not a bottomless pit?
By the way salary & FTE's are calculated as TR that is total renumeration as was said previously - as some one on salary I know

Finally we lost our Regional training officer - no money!
So while it seems that CFS missed out - there are vollies worse of than you!
cheers

pumprescue · « **Reply #10 on:** June 07, 2008, 01:46:16 PM »

Bit like all that USAR gear the SES got, I mean how often is it used, just get some sexy new chainsaws and you will be laughing.

CFS_Firey · « **Reply #11 on:** June 07, 2008, 02:08:51 PM »

Quote from: calspec on June 07, 2008, 10:42:14 AM

Quote from: CFS_Firey on June 07, 2008, 08:51:25 AM
Quote from: Cameron Yelland on June 06, 2008, 07:31:48 PM
• $8.6 million over four years for 22 additional firefighters for the new Paradise Fire Station;

(8,600,000/4)/22 = $97,727.27

That's not a bad wage...

Likely that the $8.6m includes admin costs - superannuation, workcover premiums, training, equipment and PPE, allowances for sick and annual leave and of course payroll tax. All are cost associated with employing persons, all have to budgeted for.

Probably works out that "employee" would be lucky to recieve 60-70% of that budget in actual wages.

Fair enough - I didn't consider all that. Cheers

bittenyakka · « **Reply #12 on:** June 07, 2008, 02:30:52 PM »

well rather than spend $15 mill on a skycrane we could use the national one and put the money into equipment and training and use the federal governments skycrane.

But yeah the sky crane looks better on the news than a few 34ps

6739264 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 07, 2008, 03:03:25 PM »

Theres 15.9 million wasted, before we even get started.

chook · « **Reply #14 on:** June 07, 2008, 04:41:38 PM »

Couple of things Pumprescue
1 USAR is federally funded mostly
2 What new USAR gear?
Also there is more to SES than chainsaws. For example one of the biggest risks here is the river & yet we don't have one "suitable" rescue boat at this end of the river (so we are told anyway). And no money to get one either & state marine rescue is under staffed as well - we share one person with the sea rescue squadrons.
No money for any new Standard rescue vehicles, nor new quick response vehicles either. Yet virtually every CFS brigade here has new vehicles - the latest a QAV at Barmera, so who really is getting a raw deal?
By the way any new SES vehicles you see are in fact fleet hire, which are no more the tugs for trailers(and they want to reduce the number of trailers).
But we will do what we always do - lots with filtered all!
And I asked for a new chainsaw last equipment bid round - hasn't come eyt

cheers
cheers

tft · « **Reply #15 on:** June 07, 2008, 06:00:40 PM »

You don't need money for a boat, because the government's plan is to have a river with no water soon.

pumprescue · « **Reply #16 on:** June 07, 2008, 11:25:39 PM »

Its all about looks guys, no one gives a damn about the day to day stuff we do, as long as we look good on the news.

chook · « **Reply #17 on:** June 08, 2008, 09:04:06 AM »

correct on both counts - sadly. but with only a month to go its not really worth worrying about
Anyway take it easy

CFS_Firey · « **Reply #18 on:** June 08, 2008, 01:40:56 PM »

Quote from: pumprescue on June 07, 2008, 11:25:39 PM

Its all about looks guys, no one gives a damn about the day to day stuff we do, as long as we look good on the news.

You mean as long as the government looks good on the news...

rescue5271 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 08, 2008, 01:58:59 PM »

Skycrane what a filtered joke, waste of money and if you talk to those at the top its no good outside of the adelaide region due to water low water and the logistics of it is crazy.....Now does not CFS have to pay $1million out for the next few years after the westcoast fire???

CFS_Firey · « **Reply #20 on:** June 08, 2008, 02:27:52 PM »

Quote from: bill - Hynam CFS on June 08, 2008, 01:58:59 PM

...if you talk to those at the top its no good outside of the adelaide region due to water low water and the logistics of it is crazy...

You don't have to go to the top to hear that...

Bagyassfirey · « **Reply #21 on:** June 08, 2008, 02:44:09 PM »

well what wuld all u guys that think the sky crane is a waste of money spend the money on instead?? other aircraft or more appliances or training or what???

bittenyakka · « **Reply #22 on:** June 08, 2008, 03:16:09 PM »

all three of what you suggest. And mabey put some money into making risk assessments more volunteer friendly.

CFS_Firey · « **Reply #23 on:** June 08, 2008, 03:19:47 PM »

Alternatives to skycranes have been discussed in a few threads, but try this one:
SA's Fixed wing firefighting aircraft

6739264 · « **Reply #24 on:** June 08, 2008, 04:14:44 PM »

Quote from: bittenyakka on June 08, 2008, 03:16:09 PM

all three of what you suggest. And mabey put some money into making risk assessments more volunteer friendly.

Say what? I didn't think that the risk assessment matrix could get any simpler. The whole risk assessment and response planning process is one of the most simple that I have seen outside of some of the digital ones getting around.

More money for training and appliances wouldn't go astray.

Author Topic: Budget 2008/09 (Read 18713 times)

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