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Offline chook

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Re: Urban Pumpers
« Reply #75 on: July 20, 2008, 02:45:58 PM »
Its actually the SAFECOM media unit :-D
And I think you guys get fairly reasonable coverage - far better than we do anyway!
Back to Urban pumpers, if the 34P/24P isn't any good, how did it come to be?
And looking at NSW isn't a great idea, a very different setup. Maybe Victorian CFA is closer to the CFS i.e they handle Urban & Wildfire. RFS is mainly rural & village.
Maybe you guys really need to stop & think about what you are after in the first place, as you have gone around & around & had the same answer several times (SAMFS Medium & Heavy Pumpers) - which doesn't fit your current budget does it?
Which means for certain areas to have the extra equipment, others will miss out.
Just my final thoughts
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Re: Urban Pumpers
« Reply #76 on: July 20, 2008, 03:22:32 PM »
Ahhh just ask Burnside, they were specificlly told not to design something the same as MFS, so what can you do.....
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Re: Urban Pumpers
« Reply #77 on: July 20, 2008, 03:38:37 PM »
Quote from: pumprescue on July 20, 2008, 03:22:32 PM
Ahhh just ask Burnside, they were specificlly told not to design something the same as MFS, so what can you do.....

MFS pumpers areeent that great...cant see why we cant have a similar pumper....MFB pumpers in victoria exceeds SAMFS pumpers like a MFS pumper exceeds a 34P
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Re: Urban Pumpers
« Reply #78 on: July 21, 2008, 06:56:06 AM »
Thats what I mean if it is being done elsewhere (i.e. someone already has a good design) then what not use it.
Talked to one of the local blokes about the SAMFS Medium pump they have(Isuzu) & yep it has problems. Seems to lean to one side & when they transfer gear to the other lockers, they are told to put it back :-( And some thing about the back axle.
The Vics now have some good Rescue truck designs (SES & CFA) as well, just seems like the answer is there & the problem is half solved, just needs a commitment I guess.
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Re: Urban Pumpers
« Reply #79 on: July 21, 2008, 08:04:22 AM »
everybody seen the Dandendong CFA Support Vehicle they recently got built up? (OZFIRE)   that is a awesome example of what could be used here for Specialised Brigade's (more so those like Dalkeith and Stirling, that manage to do both Hazmat and RCR).    Get a Hazmat,  Respond the Support Vehicle...drop the pod

So far i believe Dandendong have had Rope Rescue, and Hi-Ex Foam Modules created for the rear tray.
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Re: Urban Pumpers
« Reply #80 on: July 21, 2008, 02:30:05 PM »
Quote from: RescueHazmat on July 20, 2008, 12:10:33 PM
Quote from: bill - Hynam CFS on July 20, 2008, 11:49:23 AM
time for the so called media unit to get out there and show what cfs really do rather than just in the bushfire season.....

Now there is the icing for the cake!!

How can the public perceive the CFS as anything other than a Rural service when they only hear about us in Summer?

Other than those in areas directly served by CFS, actually have an idea about what the CFS do year round. Most city slickers assume the CFS only come out of the woodwork on the 1st of December..

If CFS image is your concern, here's an idea - paint all urban CFS appliances red (or red/white like the CFA).  Joe public then better associates the red truck with urban firefighting.  "It's a red truck, must be as good (or better  :-D) as the Met's trucks".  They are also more likley to give way in traffic to the approaching red truck than the silly white council truck that has red and blue lights on it.

I know CFS decided long ago that white was more appropriate in a smokey environment - but that doesn't apply to a Type 2 medium does it!

 :-D :lol: :wink:
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Re: Urban Pumpers
« Reply #81 on: July 21, 2008, 02:35:11 PM »
Quote from: calspec on July 21, 2008, 02:30:05 PM
Quote from: RescueHazmat on July 20, 2008, 12:10:33 PM
Quote from: bill - Hynam CFS on July 20, 2008, 11:49:23 AM
time for the so called media unit to get out there and show what cfs really do rather than just in the bushfire season.....

Now there is the icing for the cake!!

How can the public perceive the CFS as anything other than a Rural service when they only hear about us in Summer?

Other than those in areas directly served by CFS, actually have an idea about what the CFS do year round. Most city slickers assume the CFS only come out of the woodwork on the 1st of December..

If CFS image is your concern, here's an idea - paint all urban CFS appliances red (or red/white like the CFA).  Joe public then better associates the red truck with urban firefighting.  "It's a red truck, must be as good (or better  :-D) as the Met's trucks".  They are also more likley to give way in traffic to the approaching red truck than the silly white council truck that has red and blue lights on it.

I know CFS decided long ago that white was more appropriate in a smokey environment - but that doesn't apply to a Type 2 medium does it!

 :-D :lol: :wink:

I agree Mr Calspec ;)    the decision was made yearrss ago to only have white appliances....how about we introduce the term "Review" into the equation rather than "NO".

White definately is fine for a Rural Fire ground,  meanwhile the Urban/Rural Interface...majority being the Adelaide Hills and north/south borders of MFS/CFS....the public population is brought up to know "watch out for the red fire trucks"

SAAS has just been through a Facelift...and i personally think of the Green Yellow and Black now being the colours matching to an Ambulance...rather than Grey, Red, Green
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Re: Urban Pumpers
« Reply #82 on: July 23, 2008, 06:41:36 PM »
It's got to be RED :-P
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Re: Urban Pumpers
« Reply #83 on: July 23, 2008, 07:43:36 PM »
Quote from: SA Firey on July 23, 2008, 06:41:36 PM
It's got to be RED :-P

Ignoring the fact that we look like council trucks, I'd argue white is easier to see than red, and hence probably much safer - especially at night.... But i really don't think its worth the argument... ;)
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Re: Urban Pumpers
« Reply #84 on: July 24, 2008, 05:41:26 AM »
Do you really think it matters?

Ask the MFS how many people get out of their way or SAAS?  Would changing our trucks to red make the difference?

Or is it just that people do not pay attention whilst driving a car?
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Re: Urban Pumpers
« Reply #85 on: July 24, 2008, 08:08:55 AM »
would not matter of the appliances whre pink or purple people dont pay attention we just hae to look around our own bacyard and see what colors have been used over the year on pumpers...Yellow,limegreen,flurored(pink) just to name a few..The public pay less attention to lights and sirens now than they ever did....
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Re: Urban Pumpers
« Reply #86 on: July 24, 2008, 09:56:36 AM »
Lime Green looks quite alright,  probably works better than white :D
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Re: Urban Pumpers
« Reply #87 on: July 24, 2008, 11:23:49 AM »
Quote from: bill - Hynam CFS on July 24, 2008, 08:08:55 AM
would not matter of the appliances whre pink or purple people dont pay attention we just hae to look around our own bacyard and see what colors have been used over the year on pumpers...Yellow,limegreen,flurored(pink) just to name a few..The public pay less attention to lights and sirens now than they ever did....

WRONG Bill,so so wrong, it does make a difference what colour truck it is, or more to the point what colour it aint, Pink.............. I think NOT  :-D
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Re: Urban Pumpers
« Reply #88 on: July 24, 2008, 12:56:45 PM »
Gee you fellas bite well :lol:
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Re: Urban Pumpers
« Reply #89 on: July 24, 2008, 01:52:21 PM »
Now whats wrong with the old Red with white on top? Best of both worlds!

Also, we need air horns... THEY get people moving.
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Re: Urban Pumpers
« Reply #90 on: July 24, 2008, 01:55:13 PM »
His Holyness has returned!     (sorry numbers  :mrgreen:)
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Re: Urban Pumpers
« Reply #91 on: July 24, 2008, 01:58:07 PM »
Quote from: Zippy on July 24, 2008, 01:55:13 PM
His Holyness has returned!

Ahhh now I know he was off at world youth day, in some special white vehicle with security all around.. :wink: :wink: :-P :-P :-D
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Re: Urban Pumpers
« Reply #92 on: July 24, 2008, 01:59:01 PM »
Quote from: Firefrog on July 24, 2008, 01:58:07 PM
Quote from: Zippy on July 24, 2008, 01:55:13 PM
His Holyness has returned!

Ahhh now I know he was off at world youth day, in some special white vehicle with security all around.. :wink: :wink: :-P :-P :-D

He's Kevin Rudd? :o
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Re: Urban Pumpers
« Reply #93 on: July 24, 2008, 02:12:29 PM »
After I got out of that vehicle, it had to be reblessed...
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