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Re: Private transfer ambulances
« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2008, 02:12:51 PM »
I know these guys - have had some very positive dealings with them.  the majority of their staff are SAAS paramedics/ICP's, ED nurses and cert IV qualified AO's.  they're a commercial company so charge for their services, but from talking to some of the guys who work for them - they do most of their work interstate because ppl in SA seem to want everything free from St Johns.

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Re: Private transfer ambulances
« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2008, 05:23:08 PM »
Likewise, have heard good things!..

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Re: Private transfer ambulances
« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2008, 01:49:09 PM »
that brings up another point (insert tangent alert here) - are St johnnies falling a bit behind the times now?  There's a number of these commercial "medical" companies popping up around the country.....why is there the demand for a medical service (as opposed to first aid) all of a sudden? 


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Re: Private transfer ambulances
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2008, 05:28:34 AM »
I think its lack of numbers in St Johns & at least if you pay someone to provide a service then they are covered by all of the insurances etc.
As someone said "Roll on brave new world".
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Re: Private transfer ambulances
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2008, 04:26:15 PM »
that brings up another point (insert tangent alert here) - are St johnnies falling a bit behind the times now?  There's a number of these commercial "medical" companies popping up around the country.....why is there the demand for a medical service (as opposed to first aid) all of a sudden? 

Or is it that the event organisers need more equipment\resources than St John First Aid are designed to provide, and SAAS resources are not available in the timeframes for OH&S requirements of the event.

Could be a good thing to make the event pay (which is making the money) for the risk rather than let the tax payer foot the bill.

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Re: Private transfer ambulances
« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2008, 10:29:32 PM »
no you're not wrong there - SAAS struggles to keep enough cars on the road, let alone deal with events etc...

and the new(ish) CEO has made it known that SAAS cannot be spending public money for private enterprise....so if they're doing that work it will be total cost recovery.  don't know what the prices are - but if it brings it into line with other states....it will be upwards of $400/hour

To be completely honest tho...the johnny volunteers (bless their cotton socks) scare the daylights out of me.....and I don't think I'm alone....

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Re: Private transfer ambulances
« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2008, 12:00:51 PM »
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To be completely honest tho...the johnny volunteers (bless their cotton socks) scare the daylights out of me.....and I don't think I'm alone....

Some are great and some are "interesting" at the RAHS Showgrounds, Clipsal500, etc events. Some SAAS drivers are the same, some great, some impatient.

Just like all organisations you get good & bad, enthusiastic & the 'I look good in uniform', etc, etc...
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Re: Private transfer ambulances
« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2008, 02:12:26 PM »
SAAS Driver... - Haven't heard of that Position in the service before..?

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Re: Private transfer ambulances
« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2008, 02:36:17 PM »
i wasn't talking about attitude or presentation...an organisation who gives their staff a teeny bit of training and a uniform and consequently lack any practical experience in the field is something to behold.

  Couple with this a system of management that hails from the dark ages (literally) and you find an organisation which is backward and non-progressive - finding itself struggling for members because of this system, but still holding some political clout because they have one of the best know brand names in the country.

There will invariably be a clown in every circus - and I know there are ambo's out there who need an attitude adjustment (some might say I'm included in that number)  - but the majority are professional in their daily working!


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Re: Private transfer ambulances
« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2008, 03:28:34 PM »
...and before i get lambasted for bashing a vollie group - yes i am qualified to comment after 10 years involvement with them......

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Re: Private transfer ambulances
« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2008, 03:52:21 PM »
...and before i get lambasted for bashing a vollie group - yes i am qualified to comment after 10 years involvement with them......


Lambasted ? .........Why would anyone want to baste your body with oil, sprinkle spices on you and shove Rosemary sprigs in your orifice's. :-)


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Re: Private transfer ambulances
« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2008, 05:50:42 PM »



Lambasted ? .........Why would anyone want to baste your body with oil, sprinkle spices on you and shove Rosemary sprigs in your orifice's. :-)




mmmm.....sounds tempting....

but yes..finding someone to do it to me could be another matter entirely....

and then....there is the issue of whether or not this constitues cheating on your wife.....

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Re: Private transfer ambulances
« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2008, 06:35:52 PM »
I have to agree some of the johnies scare me when Im at events,  you seem to ave 2 sorts of johnies   those who are pimple ridden teenagers or those who are 75 and should be retired and enjoying life
St Jacks do really look like a DADS ARMY at the best of times... while CFS, SES have got their act together with professional uniforms, vehicles, equipment and nationally accredited training..... the Johnies have been left behond remembering their glory days of running the state ambulance service
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Re: Private transfer ambulances
« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2008, 08:14:50 PM »
No I wouldn't call it cheating boardy - very advanced catering maybe?
And yes the St Johns people are a bit passed it - and the modern private companies sound so slick, so anyone who does not work in the emergency services field would believe the hype that private organisations spout afterall a lot work or have worked in the emergency services sector. And the modern manager is trained to "just hire the specialist & focus on core business" thats why consultants get so much work :wink:
I'm not saying they aren't good or bad, but like anything thats not regulated the private sector does attract & support "less than adequate" companies.
Anyway thats what capitalism is all about, so do your research before signing anything.
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Re: Private transfer ambulances
« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2008, 09:08:52 PM »
yes true, there is no regulation - but those companies who do the job properly will usually get the reputation for being safe and effective too! 

consultants.....mmm...maybe I'm in the wrong job working in the public sector.....

...but then again....it's filtered hard to lose your job..and isn't it all about job security!??

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Re: Private transfer ambulances
« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2011, 11:15:43 AM »
RMTS are Ambulance Officers no paramedics aren't they?

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Re: Private transfer ambulances
« Reply #41 on: June 27, 2011, 12:17:41 AM »
Last I heard it is usually a Cert IV & Paramedic crewing.
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Re: Private transfer ambulances
« Reply #42 on: June 27, 2011, 11:25:56 AM »
Rumour getting around the sports motorcycle clubs that St. John is about to pull out of all attendances where higher level trauma is the primary injury type. Something about their level of training and insurance policy demands.

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« Reply #43 on: June 27, 2011, 11:48:19 PM »
Rumour getting around the sports motorcycle clubs that St. John is about to pull out of all attendances where higher level trauma is the primary injury type. Something about their level of training and insurance policy demands.

should save a motor cyclist or two...

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Re: Private transfer ambulances
« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2011, 11:12:26 AM »
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Rumour getting around the sports motorcycle clubs that St. John is about to pull out of all attendances where higher level trauma is the primary injury type. Something about their level of training and insurance policy demands.

St John Ambulance is undertaking a systematic review of its event first aid service relationship with numerous corporate / 'higher risk' clients to ensure that there is a clear understanding of what (if any) are the regulatory requirements / standards of these organisations. It completed a review last year with CAMS (Confederation of Australian Motor Sport)and is currently undertaking this process with MA (Motorcycling Australia).

It is to ensure that the regulatory body has clear medical requirement guidelines and that these are understood by respective organsing clubs (which is very hit and miss - many clubs do not understand their own medical regulatory guidelines or standards - be it many different codes of motorsport or motorcycling). It is then to assess what the levels of care that St John currently provide and map these against the 'regulatory' guidelines etc.

The ideal is to generate a clear matrix or table to be used by both St John and the event organiser organisation clearly showing what events that St John is capable of providing a service based upon their regulatory standards.

A further layer to this is then to implement a risk management approach to the events that may fall into the scope of St John being able to cover but might be deemed to not be appropriate.

The above does not then mean that St John will cover an event, it simply means that we may satisfy the regulatory body minimum requirement to provide a first aid / medical service.

All of the above is designed to ensure that there is optimal service delivery by appropriately trained personnel in environments that are safe to all.

It also serves as a need analysis tool, to allow St John to identify where it might wish to increase its clinical / training scope and / or introduce additional equipment or persue possible business strategies... (this is just speculative and more food for thought)

Motorsport is a clear recruitment and retention tool for any event first aid / medical service provider - however it is well recognised that there needs to be a focus on having appropriately trained personnel, operating in a safe environment and complying with various regulatory body minimum standards.

Discussions are about to commence with ANDRA (Australian National Drag Racing Association) and will probably include NASR (National Association of Speedway Racing) in the near future.

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should save a motor cyclist or two...
was that really necessary..???  :|

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« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2011, 07:55:08 PM »
It sound like St. Johns is just doing the right thing.

People criticize St. John  and they appear to be an easy target on here (after reading numerous older posts).

 If St. Johns SA just modernized like it has interstate perhaps the knockers would see them in a different light.

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« Reply #46 on: June 28, 2011, 10:13:23 PM »
It sound like St. Johns is just doing the right thing.

People criticize St. John  and they appear to be an easy target on here (after reading numerous older posts).

 If St. Johns SA just modernized like it has interstate perhaps the knockers would see them in a different light.



you mean we shouldnt criticise them....even though its apparant they HAVEN'T been doing the right thing up until now? Sacred cows have no place in Health.... ask SAAS.

Its not about being modernized....but being responsible and ethical and accountable.....if the Jacks in SA can achieve that, they will regain some of the respect they used to have.


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Re: Private transfer ambulances
« Reply #47 on: June 29, 2011, 08:40:01 AM »
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If St. Johns SA just modernized like it has interstate perhaps the knockers would see them in a different light.
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Its not about being modernized....but being responsible and ethical and accountable.....if the Jacks in SA can achieve that, they will regain some of the respect they used to have.

I recognise that St John has shortfalls (no arguments from me there), and these will differ at times, however I would welcome any suggestions or strategies that would address the above two quotes... Feel free to PM me if you don't wish to do it in the thread...

Cheers
Shane

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Re: Private transfer ambulances
« Reply #48 on: June 29, 2011, 05:36:34 PM »
...I would welcome any suggestions or strategies that would address the above two quotes... Feel free to PM me if you don't wish to do it in the thread...

Cheers
Shane


Rather than do the work for you....maybe you should start insisting on those paid staff responsible for the Ops Division starting some work on those specific topics....or sack them and get people in that can.

Alternatively....PM me for my consultants fees  :-)

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« Reply #49 on: June 30, 2011, 08:28:49 PM »
Straps

Just as an outsider looking in, I would suggest St. Johns needs to change quickly to compete with the paid companies that seem to be poping up over night.

From what Ive seen of St. John interstate they

1) Have professional looking vehicles
2) Better public image
3) Better working relationship with ambulance and other emergency services
4) Better equipped
5) Have more health care professionals and those professionals are equipped with modern equipment to provide advanced care.


A case in example. 2 years ago at Clipsal you had some volunteers in green uniforms, some in black and white, some with green pants and red/black polo shirts. Just doesn't give the best first impression.

St John interstate seem to charge for their service and not just ask for a donation. This obviously pays for all the above.
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