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Re: CABA BMI
« Reply #50 on: October 14, 2008, 05:21:58 PM »
Onther thing to remember is we are volunteers we rely on volunteers and considering recuiting in smaller communities is hard at the best of times making the medical restrictions tight or tighter is just going to make it even harder to get members.

So just because 'we are only volunteers' we dont need to worry about safety issues? I understand what you are saying about numbers of people in small towns, but the line has to be drawn somewhere.

Obviously saftey is an issue, but not when your brigade kicks the bucket because of a number on a piece of paper, I'm not saying don't draw a line just draw it abit lower and let those immortl words prevail "Common Sence".

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Re: CABA BMI
« Reply #51 on: October 14, 2008, 05:26:49 PM »
Obviously saftey is an issue, but not when your brigade kicks the bucket because of a number on a piece of paper, I'm not saying don't draw a line just draw it abit lower and let those immortl words prevail "Common Sence".

"Common Sense" perhaps?

The problem with drawing the line lower, is the people that are on the edge of the new line will complain, so you'll need to lower it again, and you'll be stuck in a vicious cycle of line lowering, until there are no standards...

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Re: CABA BMI
« Reply #52 on: October 14, 2008, 07:15:23 PM »
SA Firey, for goodness sake pick up your dummy and move on.

Mister Teddy...my BMI is not an issue and as for the medical that isnt either, it was the delivery of information given which was actually incorrect.....no trauma teddy required :-P

This had the potential to impact on every brigade so pardon me if I cared for your welfare :evil:
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Re: CABA BMI
« Reply #53 on: October 15, 2008, 11:14:55 AM »
Muscle actually 'weighs' more than fat does..

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« Reply #54 on: October 15, 2008, 12:46:03 PM »
Members.

I think we are starting to lose the point with this discussion.

CFS do require for members to do a medical (duty of care), I am not going to get into the argument how the mdical should be done or how it should be measured etc.

But I will say this.  Being a CABA operator for over 13 years, I have noticed that most of the time wearing CABA at a job you do less physical strain than working at a going grassy.

So what I am saying is if we have a mediacal for CABA where is the medical to become a member.  I know saying this is going to cause a huge different amount of opinions but when you look at the facts what I am saying is correct.

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Re: CABA BMI
« Reply #55 on: October 16, 2008, 11:37:19 PM »
Whilst I agree that the BMI is neither the most accurate nor most fair determinant of physical fitness, it is however making the assumption that a person of x height will be within an expected weight range.

THis is not only for their own safety, but for the safety of those who go in with them. As fit as that person may be, the consideration needs to be made that they may in fact be the person who gets into trouble inside a job, and if they are significantly heavier than expected or required, there is going to be difficulty within the rescue, and attempts at moving the person may result in more than the one casualty.

An avenue for appeal or further investigation should be made available. Its a matter of duty of care for the service, to ensure that specialised areas which may encourage physical exertion are moderated to reduce risks.

I do also agree once again we have a shocking habit of 'they'll do'. There are a lot of people who could probably do with investigation, such as people who do have difficulty handling road crash equipment, or in basic functions before they're allowed to qualify.

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Re: CABA BMI
« Reply #56 on: October 17, 2008, 09:10:44 PM »
At first I posted that I disagreed with the BMI that CFS has introduced, BMI is not best practice and so on, wa wa wa!
Iv'e seen the light though, a partial glimpse of the elusive "Master plan" if you will, for BMI is just the begining, pretty soon a height restriction will come in, 5'11-6'1 requirement, then Athletic build requirement, then hair colour Blond, then eye colour Blue and lastly a strong jaw line, yeah yeah its been tried before I hear you say, but just imagine our own CABA Super Race.
Hang on we need to keep our Super Race, able to be dragged out with close on 25kg of BA on, as well as their body weight maybe 100kg combined.....Too heavy.

So we need Super Strong people, but light enough that with their own body weight and the BA gear on, they could still be rescued by one of their own and if they are all close in build and size, a one size fits all policy would work for PPC.
Simple, OH how obvious, the answer has been there all along, Hobbits, they are compact, huge power to weight ratio, combined with over size feet(excellent stability) and the one size fits all PPC box is ticked as well.
Fitness and endurance of the cute lil buggers is off the scale, and as a bonus if a fight breaks out with one of those SES boys, I want the Hobbits on my side!

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Re: CABA BMI
« Reply #57 on: October 17, 2008, 09:26:42 PM »
Just what I needed to read ROFLOL!!!!! :-D
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Re: CABA BMI
« Reply #58 on: October 21, 2008, 07:48:33 PM »
Bring on the NSW pack test, If BMI hasn't killed us that will.

It may well be coming to a place near you soon.

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Re: CABA BMI
« Reply #59 on: October 26, 2008, 01:22:52 PM »
So how long has this been bandied around TOO LONG!

To all you fat whinny people LOOSE WEIGHT,& GET FITTER.The BMI is set @  30 and will not be changed.

MOVE ON and LOOSE WEIGHT get fitter BECOME A BETTER FIRE-FIGHTER & try again. All this crap that we will run out of CABA operators is just Your excuse .

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Re: CABA BMI
« Reply #60 on: October 26, 2008, 01:42:59 PM »
30  :? I thought it was 35  :?
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Re: CABA BMI
« Reply #61 on: October 26, 2008, 05:57:51 PM »
So how long has this been bandied around TOO LONG!

To all you fat whinny people LOOSE WEIGHT,& GET FITTER.The BMI is set @  30 and will not be changed.

MOVE ON and LOOSE WEIGHT get fitter BECOME A BETTER FIRE-FIGHTER & try again. All this crap that we will run out of CABA operators is just Your excuse .

end of transmission.

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Re: CABA BMI
« Reply #62 on: October 26, 2008, 07:06:13 PM »
So how long has this been bandied around TOO LONG!

To all you fat whinny people LOOSE WEIGHT,& GET FITTER.The BMI is set @  30 and will not be changed.

MOVE ON and LOOSE WEIGHT get fitter BECOME A BETTER FIRE-FIGHTER & try again. All this crap that we will run out of CABA operators is just Your excuse .

end of transmission.

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I mean realistically how many people are not getting through because they are over 35?  im sure maybe out of that there is maybe 1 out of 20 that have a genuine reason (body builder) for being over 35.  Everyone else need to lose weight..not just for the service but in general for your health!
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Re: CABA BMI
« Reply #63 on: October 26, 2008, 08:04:17 PM »
So how long has this been bandied around TOO LONG!

To all you fat whinny people LOOSE WEIGHT,& GET FITTER.The BMI is set @  30 and will not be changed.

MOVE ON and LOOSE WEIGHT get fitter BECOME A BETTER FIRE-FIGHTER & try again. All this crap that we will run out of CABA operators is just Your excuse .

end of transmission.

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Re: CABA BMI
« Reply #64 on: October 26, 2008, 09:05:39 PM »
So youv'e done your medical, passed with a BMI of 29 NO PROBLEM, done your course passed NO PROBLEM, can now get into the back paddock eat like a horse BMI 35+ NO PROBLEM, so who polices your BMI for the next 5 years? . :?
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Re: CABA BMI
« Reply #65 on: October 27, 2008, 10:27:24 AM »
I mean realistically how many people are not getting through because they are over 35?  im sure maybe out of that there is maybe 1 out of 20 that have a genuine reason (body builder) for being over 35.  Everyone else need to lose weight..not just for the service but in general for your health!

I just looked up this BMI stuff and have to say I'm very surprised the CFS standard is 35 and not 30.  See http://www.cfs.org.au/training/breathing-appartus-medical.asp (yes with the spelling error) and download the medical form.  35 is well into 'obese', 30 is the top end of 'overweight'.  Eg.  http://www.mydr.com.au/tools/bodymass.asp

Reading these threads here about CABA and BMI you would get the impression CFS is imposing overly onerous standards on people but I don't think that is the case, in fact perhaps they don't go far enough.  I easily meet the max BMI figure but don't feel I am fit enough for BA (I am in the 'overweight' category, will have to work on that!).


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Re: CABA BMI
« Reply #66 on: December 02, 2008, 11:39:55 AM »
I mean realistically how many people are not getting through because they are over 35?  im sure maybe out of that there is maybe 1 out of 20 that have a genuine reason (body builder) for being over 35.  Everyone else need to lose weight..not just for the service but in general for your health!

I just looked up this BMI stuff and have to say I'm very surprised the CFS standard is 35 and not 30.  See http://www.cfs.org.au/training/breathing-appartus-medical.asp (yes with the spelling error) and download the medical form.  35 is well into 'obese', 30 is the top end of 'overweight'.  Eg.  http://www.mydr.com.au/tools/bodymass.asp

Reading these threads here about CABA and BMI you would get the impression CFS is imposing overly onerous standards on people but I don't think that is the case, in fact perhaps they don't go far enough.  I easily meet the max BMI figure but don't feel I am fit enough for BA (I am in the 'overweight' category, will have to work on that!).



I see all that obese people  are still whining what is this this was started CABA BMI
« on: August 23, 2008, 09:41:43 PM »

Give up & grow up. New topic needed.Boring  :roll:
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« Reply #67 on: December 02, 2008, 11:44:54 AM »
I mean realistically how many people are not getting through because they are over 35?  im sure maybe out of that there is maybe 1 out of 20 that have a genuine reason (body builder) for being over 35.  Everyone else need to lose weight..not just for the service but in general for your health!

I just looked up this BMI stuff and have to say I'm very surprised the CFS standard is 35 and not 30.  See http://www.cfs.org.au/training/breathing-appartus-medical.asp (yes with the spelling error) and download the medical form.  35 is well into 'obese', 30 is the top end of 'overweight'.  Eg.  http://www.mydr.com.au/tools/bodymass.asp

Reading these threads here about CABA and BMI you would get the impression CFS is imposing overly onerous standards on people but I don't think that is the case, in fact perhaps they don't go far enough.  I easily meet the max BMI figure but don't feel I am fit enough for BA (I am in the 'overweight' category, will have to work on that!).



I see all that obese people  are still whining what is this this was started CABA BMI
« on: August 23, 2008, 09:41:43 PM »

Give up & grow up. New topic needed.Boring  :roll:

umm...it was dead and buried over a month ago....why resuscitate it?

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Re: CABA BMI
« Reply #68 on: December 02, 2008, 11:50:09 AM »
Hahaha.

"I can't believe people are still whining about this issue that no one has talked about in months!"
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Re: CABA BMI
« Reply #69 on: December 02, 2008, 11:56:04 AM »
The good doctor officially breathes life into it tomorrow(Wed)night, should be interesting! :wink:
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« Reply #70 on: December 02, 2008, 11:58:23 AM »
Oh, I'll be here with bells on waiting ;)
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