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Training Hazmat Operators in non-hazmat brigades
« on: October 09, 2008, 04:50:34 PM »
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We wear to everything except rural and hazmat

You might want to check that Jeff, I was at the meeting where it was explained by the Group Officer and the rules are no rural fires and not to wear it at a Hazmat if you are going to be wearing an encapsulated suit.

You would wear it to a Hazmat initially as it the only thing we have that gives you complete level 3 protection, however if you are going to wear a suit then it comes off.


Wouldnt have thought it would be a problem in Mawson group full stop as there are no HAZMAT brigades?

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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2008, 04:53:43 PM »
ah there may be Hazmat operators tho ;)  They could respond with the nearest Hazmat Brigade, not sure about MFS hazmats tho.

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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2008, 05:23:48 PM »
ah there may be Hazmat operators tho ;)  They could respond with the nearest Hazmat Brigade, not sure about MFS hazmats tho.

& that there are.. ;)

Not to mention the reduced Hazmat responses, or responses that turn into Hazmats once onscene.
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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2008, 05:40:42 PM »
Yeah similar case with my brigade, we got someone from another group who trains every 4 months with us...but also the rest of my group have several operators which support us crew a hazmat, certain is the only rare occasions where private cars are used to drive to incidents.

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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2008, 07:01:06 PM »
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ah there may be Hazmat operators tho   They could respond with the nearest Hazmat Brigade, not sure about MFS hazmats tho.

And there is about to be a few more in this category in our Group  :wink:

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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2008, 09:38:31 PM »
Good for your brigade getting them, but sorry, id love to know how this buullshit happens when there is not even a HAZMAT resource in your group or surrounding area for them to respond on, except for MFS, who should be using there own equipment....

And yet there is no money for training for brigades who actually need it...

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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2008, 09:49:15 PM »
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Good for your brigade getting them, but sorry, id love to know how this buullshit happens when there is not even a HAZMAT resource in your group or surrounding area for them to respond on, except for MFS, who should be using there own equipment....

One of our nearby CFS Hazmat brigades have been struggling of late, so Region put forward a proposal to allow some members from a couple of brigades in the Mawson group to train in Hazmat and dual respond with that brigade when they can't get a crew. I believe the same thing is happening in a number of Groups in Region One, this is just stretching it out a little further as the Group that the particular brigade is in may not be able to provide enough people themselves.

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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2008, 09:52:57 PM »
Curious as to which brigade?

As the only ones anywhere near you are Eden Hills or Willunga? Which is quite a distance?


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« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2008, 09:59:10 PM »
I heard Willunga were struggling for Hazmat crews to turnout to jobs, the first offer will be given to any Kyeema members but so far there hasn't been a lot of interest, so Morphett Vale and Seaford were offered the chance to train some members. As Matt B said, the idea came from Region.

With the removal of Hazmat from Yankallila there is now more of a reliance on Willunga to get a crew for these jobs, there is nothing else on the Fleureiu apart from MFS at Victor and Strath CFS.
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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2008, 11:02:02 PM »
There are already a few HAZMAT trained operators in the Mawson group.. I know of a couple in Happy Valley alone.. (I am one of them).
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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2008, 08:14:34 AM »
It sounds like a good idea, as long as the specific hazmat operators are attached to a specific hazmat brigade through eg. "Kyemma Group Hazmat Operators" paging group.  So that if willunga dont have the crew required for a hazmat (typically more than just the 6 in an appliance)...The hazmat operators within Kyeema and Mawson Groups would get the following message:

"WLLG: KYEEMA/MAWSON HAZMAT OPERATORS, CONTACT WILLUNGA STATION RE: AVAILABILITY AND DETAILS FOR HAZMAT INCIDENT: PHONE 82345678"

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« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2008, 04:19:02 PM »
It's time that if a member wants to do RCR/Hazmat/CABA and their brigade does not already do these then if the member is willing and able to help with in the group where there is already a brigade set to do the above jobs then so be it. In a time when we are seeing a fast decline in members in country area's that hold all of the above skills may be its time we did allow the other brigade's with in the group to get members trainned up to help in these area's. I know in the Naracoorte group they had 3 members out at KYBY that had done the CABA course and the brigade did not have the set's,Myself who is RCR trainned and is a member of hynam briagde is around to help with RCR jobs if they want a hand.

 having said that we also need to ensure that those members are able to keep up the on going training and upskills in these area's.....

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« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2008, 04:56:48 PM »
It makes sense now days to train people in specific skills, that their own brigade doesn't have, if they are in a position to respond to specialist incidents with another brigade.

Eg You are a member of say, a rural brigade, no BA / RCR or Hazmat.   But you work in the local town, with a brigade that has BA / RCR / Hazmat, and are in a position to respond to incidents from work.

The town brigade gets a person able to respond during weekdays, and the rural brigade has a member who has extra skills, who can assist in increasing the rural brigades skills and knowledge.

As long as the person is able to keep up the skills, then what is the problem in training people in specialist skills, when they don;t have the equipment within their own brigade?

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« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2008, 05:37:30 PM »
If the specialised Brigades who have the people willing to be trained are having to go without so that people in other Brigades can be trained 'just in case', or because they might be around and are kinda interested in the course, then there is no way that it should be allowed to occur.

If there are local arrangements that support having multiple brigades trained (eg: XYZ Hazmat Brigade has no one else that wants to be trained, yet they are below their SFEC minimum) Then by all means its a good idea.

I agree that with the lack of volunteers in some areas it is the only way to guarantee an acceptable response.
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« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2008, 08:11:51 PM »
There are plenty of Hazmat operators around, and even though they are not in a Hazmat brigade now should still be able to reaccred in it, as a backup :roll:
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« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2008, 09:18:56 PM »
If the specialised Brigades who have the people willing to be trained are having to go without so that people in other Brigades can be trained 'just in case', or because they might be around and are kinda interested in the course, then there is no way that it should be allowed to occur.



On the other hand I know of Hazmat courses being cancelled because there where not enough numbers to run it and members from non Hazmat brigades where not allowed to nominate for the course.
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« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2008, 10:57:30 PM »
On the other hand I know of Hazmat courses being cancelled because there where not enough numbers to run it and members from non Hazmat brigades where not allowed to nominate for the course.

I know of very similar occurences too. The solution there is not to fill the course with special people from other Brigades, but to look at why those people were not allowed to be nominated for the course.
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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2008, 08:12:33 PM »
It's happened again, Course cancelled at Naracoorte due to lack of numbers, Couldn't get approval to get neaby brigades onto the course.

Fault for this is at group level, The course had five nominated and i know of 6 from outliying brigades who had asked to be trained. that would have made a full course.

Now Naracoorte has full complement of hazmat trained operators, Bordertown has 2, Penola has 1, Robe/ kingston have 0 and Millicent has 6.
Lets hope we dont get a big hazmat job in the south east. CFS Standard response is two hazmat brigades.

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« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2008, 08:19:35 PM »
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It's happened again, Course cancelled at Naracoorte due to lack of numbers, Couldn't get approval to get neaby brigades onto the course.

Fault for this is at group level, The course had five nominated and i know of 6 from outliying brigades who had asked to be trained. that would have made a full course.

thats a very unfortunate bummer!

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Now Naracoorte has full complement of hazmat trained operators, Bordertown has 2, Penola has 1, Robe/ kingston have 0 and Millicent has 6.
Lets hope we dont get a big hazmat job in the south east. CFS Standard response is two hazmat brigades.

Looks like it might be 4 + state hazmat with inner region 1 operators.


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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2008, 04:46:53 AM »
Dont worry.  Just call the MFS.  They are all trained in hazmat (majority at least).  Compton can do COQ.  It all works in the end!  :lol: :lol: :lol:
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« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2008, 07:31:34 PM »
Yep Know all about comptons hazmat response, How long was that truck off the road for.

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« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2008, 07:47:51 PM »
Yep Know all about comptons hazmat response, How long was that truck off the road for.

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« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2008, 06:12:37 AM »
Cam,If you guys want to do the full course you get the group to support your application,send it to the regional office and its up to them.....

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« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2008, 09:07:46 AM »
Cam,If you guys want to do the full course you get the group to support your application,send it to the regional office and its up to them.....

filtered that!  Our brigade wants nothing to do with Hazmat except on a support level.
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« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2008, 04:43:36 PM »
Cam,If you guys want to do the full course you get the group to support your application,send it to the regional office and its up to them.....

filtered that!  Our brigade wants nothing to do with Hazmat except on a support level.
Their group wouldnt support them anyhow would they?
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