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Re: SES P1 responses when the SCC opens
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2009, 02:43:12 PM »
P1 to a tree over road has always bewildered me to a certain extent.
No matter how fast I rush to that job, if a car is on the road in front of me it (if its going to hit the tree)....

I agree.

I think it is a difference between 'potential life risk' incident (eg tree over road, fire alarm, etc) and 'it is life risk happening now' incident (RCR, vertical rescue, industrial accident, house fire confirmed with person trapped, etc).

Then add the in-between incident types that do/could involve a risk to life like 'land search', 'just started smoldering fire in grass or bush on a low fire danger day', 'smoke detector operating in a house with no other signs of fire & 'smoke in the area'.

In SES, it is the Unit that will interpret the task type & local conditions before lights/sirens are switched on. Not everyone follows the pager priorities to gospel.

Personally, I think lights/sirens are used too much by both services to 'potential life threat' taskings. It does not save you that much time.

Please do not keep slagging people based on pager priorities which is based on pre-determined computer system. Yes, I think some are flashing light/siren crazy. But that happens in both CFS & SES.

Maybe we do need 20+ priority codes so people do not need to think, but I personally would prefer local knowledge to be included.

Real people do interpret the pager information to make a decision on tasking priorities.
« Last Edit: April 29, 2009, 03:29:29 PM by bajdas »
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Re: SES P1 responses when the SCC opens
« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2009, 03:36:55 PM »
Right on mate! - well said :-D
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Re: SES P1 responses when the SCC opens
« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2009, 11:44:31 AM »
So if the SES take the 132500 number, and take a job that is a P1 response who is overseeing that they also respond the fire service ??

There must be some accountability by these guys to ensure the correct response is followed, do we need to embed some CFS / MFS staff in there to ensure that they are playing by the rules, or do we just continue on as we are at the moment and 'trust' that they will do the right thing.

Interestingly on the weekend I observed and overheard on the scanner an SES vehicle responding P1 to a tree down approximately 20 mins away through heavy metro traffic and passing 3 CFS and 1 MFS stations on their way. Closest most appropriate, I don't think so.

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Re: SES P1 responses when the SCC opens
« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2009, 01:06:11 PM »
So if the SES take the 132500 number, and take a job that is a P1 response who is overseeing that they also respond the fire service ??

There must be some accountability by these guys to ensure the correct response is followed, do we need to embed some CFS / MFS staff in there to ensure that they are playing by the rules, or do we just continue on as we are at the moment and 'trust' that they will do the right thing.

Interestingly on the weekend I observed and overheard on the scanner an SES vehicle responding P1 to a tree down approximately 20 mins away through heavy metro traffic and passing 3 CFS and 1 MFS stations on their way. Closest most appropriate, I don't think so.

Personally I agree & this has already been answered previously in this thread.
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Re: SES P1 responses when the SCC opens
« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2009, 01:31:42 AM »
Even as someone who has been involved wiht the SES, Sa'streets are rife with P1 responses to trees down from the SES, what seems to be even FUNNIER is that they head out with lights and sirens around 30 minutes after the time of initial page!


Seems to me that if it was that urgent they would have responded a closer service rather than heading lights and sirens across suburbs when there are closer resources who could have a crew there in less than 5 minutes. Similarly after even 10 minutes, if it wasn't urgent enough for them to respond a bit faster its certainly not urgent enough after that amount of time to drive under priority.

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Re: SES P1 responses when the SCC opens
« Reply #30 on: May 20, 2009, 10:14:53 AM »
watch this space :wink:

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Re: SES P1 responses when the SCC opens
« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2009, 04:56:53 PM »
Yeh its signed, sealed......but not delivered yet.
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Re: SES P1 responses when the SCC opens
« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2009, 07:31:51 PM »
I hope the same stern talk applies to other services who act in a similar manner! One can only hope.
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Re: SES P1 responses when the SCC opens
« Reply #33 on: March 23, 2010, 10:28:37 PM »
This is interesting, I have only seen an SES lights and siren response once. I have seen more CFS light/siren responses than SES. Maybe it's just where I live?

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Re: SES P1 responses when the SCC opens
« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2010, 03:10:45 PM »
Yeh its signed, sealed......but not delivered yet.
"The stern talk isa cummin"

The change in 'call receipt & dispatch' has now been delivered & announced to SES volunteers....changeover to different procedures estimated to be September.
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Re: SES P1 responses when the SCC opens
« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2010, 07:02:51 PM »
Yeh its signed, sealed......but not delivered yet.
"The stern talk isa cummin"

The change in 'call receipt & dispatch' has now been delivered & announced to SES volunteers....changeover to different procedures estimated to be September.

obviously hasnt filtered to the ranks round here...lol

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Re: SES P1 responses when the SCC opens
« Reply #36 on: May 25, 2010, 12:40:11 PM »
Yeh its signed, sealed......but not delivered yet.
"The stern talk isa cummin"

The change in 'call receipt & dispatch' has now been delivered & announced to SES volunteers....changeover to different procedures estimated to be September.


What changes are in the final outcome? and how is it being received, by both vollie and staff?
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Re: SES P1 responses when the SCC opens
« Reply #37 on: May 25, 2010, 01:47:54 PM »
I hope the same stern talk applies to other services who act in a similar manner! One can only hope.

try getting SAAS to change their system?  The pom who pulls the strings (not the one at the very top of the chain) has so much faith in his system that it's here to stay....despite the fact that we're doing more lights and sirens work than ever before...simply because someone couldn't say "I stubbed my toe" properly without lisping....

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Re: SES P1 responses when the SCC opens
« Reply #38 on: May 25, 2010, 02:03:35 PM »
Yeh its signed, sealed......but not delivered yet.
"The stern talk isa cummin"

The change in 'call receipt & dispatch' has now been delivered & announced to SES volunteers....changeover to different procedures estimated to be September.

What changes are in the final outcome? and how is it being received, by both vollie and staff?

Jaff, does that mean on the 20th May when you posted the above comment....you did not know !!!! surprise, surprise... :-D
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Re: SES P1 responses when the SCC opens
« Reply #39 on: May 25, 2010, 02:10:09 PM »

What changes are in the final outcome? and how is it being received, by both vollie and staff?

Like all changes... some are happy, some are not happy... some wait to see the results... many questions still to be answered.

In the meantime, it is a continuation of the existing system.
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Re: SES P1 responses when the SCC opens
« Reply #40 on: May 25, 2010, 06:00:28 PM »
Yes, but what are the changes?

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Re: SES P1 responses when the SCC opens
« Reply #41 on: May 26, 2010, 04:35:44 PM »
Yeh its signed, sealed......but not delivered yet.
"The stern talk isa cummin"

The change in 'call receipt & dispatch' has now been delivered & announced to SES volunteers....changeover to different procedures estimated to be September.

What changes are in the final outcome? and how is it being received, by both vollie and staff?

Jaff, does that mean on the 20th May when you posted the above comment....you did not know !!!! surprise, surprise... :-D




Yeh thats me dumb as a stump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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