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Offline Mike

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CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« on: November 20, 2009, 06:13:34 AM »
Was watching the news last night when they mentioned 2 trucks had been involved in a collision.

5 injured, (I think they said 2 serious?)
It looked like quite a substantial impact from the pictures....

These things should serve as a timely reminder to be vigilant and stay safe.
I wish all involved a speedy recovery.

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2009, 09:49:15 AM »
I heard a rumour the appliances were from Minlaton and Curramulka.  Can anyone confirm?

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2009, 11:22:26 AM »
According to the pictures on the news footage you are right.

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2009, 07:46:42 AM »
Just to add there was also another accident involving a volunteer firey who was driving a DEH unit at the fire down near Kingston on thursday night but i havent heard much about that one yet
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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2009, 08:56:15 AM »
good on the CFS for gettin these brigades a brand new truck stowed and ready to go by the next day  :-)

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2009, 08:57:46 AM »

Brand new or spares ? Didn't think there was anything new to give out apart from 34P's ?

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2009, 09:32:04 AM »
Willunga 24 and Swan Reach 24.

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2009, 09:59:51 AM »
Willunga 24 and Swan Reach 24.

Thats what i meant and thats the ones..at lest the curry truck was an older one.

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2009, 07:06:21 AM »
Im disappointed.
A simple post wishing people a quick recovery and reminding all to stay safe turns into a slinging match.
It is quite obvious that something did not go according to plan... at this stage it doesnt need to be analysed any further.

Dont let the thread go down the same path again.  :x


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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2009, 01:14:02 PM »
And thus shows one of the major problems with the CFS. We just can't stand to evaluate our actions when things go wrong. We're more than happy to stand back and and offer our condolences (as we should) but there is a lesson to be learned from most of these 'accidents' so that they can be avoided in the future.

We need to be open to learn from our mistakes as a service. It's pretty obvious that in this case, as with Mt. Bryan and Murray Bridge that someone cocked up in a major way. Once we work out what has occurred people need to be made aware so that we can learn from this and use this as an example of what can happen when people aren't paying attention, suffer tunnel vision or whatever else may have caused the prang.

Bring on PSTP "Operate and Maintain Common Sense"!
To think they employed me as a drooling retard...

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2009, 10:44:22 PM »
And thus shows one of the major problems with the CFS. We just can't stand to evaluate our actions when things go wrong. We're more than happy to stand back and and offer our condolences (as we should) but there is a lesson to be learned from most of these 'accidents' so that they can be avoided in the future.

We need to be open to learn from our mistakes as a service. It's pretty obvious that in this case, as with Mt. Bryan and Murray Bridge that someone cocked up in a major way. Once we work out what has occurred people need to be made aware so that we can learn from this and use this as an example of what can happen when people aren't paying attention, suffer tunnel vision or whatever else may have caused the prang.

Bring on PSTP "Operate and Maintain Common Sense"!

Of course we must learn from the mistakes made.  And yes, someone, obviously made a mistake.

However, the actual cause of this crash, and what mistakes were made, are, at least on this forum currently, just speculation.   We need to be careful of making assumptions about what happened, based on small snippets of information gained from the media.

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2009, 10:04:01 AM »
Im disappointed.
A simple post wishing people a quick recovery and reminding all to stay safe turns into a slinging match.
It is quite obvious that something did not go according to plan... at this stage it doesnt need to be analysed any further.

Dont let the thread go down the same path again.  :x



? Where's the slinging match?

Anyhow, it's a great thing no one was hurt more seriously. There was certainly a lot of panic when the incident occured.

It is a wake up call about driving in low visibility, and making certain that if one cannot be scene, they can at least be heard... Also agree with 6739264 in that it will provide an excellent learning experience.

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2009, 03:05:04 PM »
[whitecloud: the slinging match was deleted by mods]

The problem is it will only be a learning experience for those involved as CFS has a history of keeping the outcomes of these types of investigations secret or sweeping it under the carpet.  Other examples of MVAs have already been mentioned by Mr Numbers but it extends to things like burnovers too (eg. at the Willunga fire a while ago).


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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2009, 07:22:32 AM »
The USA have a "Wildland Fire Lessons Learned Centre" where all safety reports/investigations are published.

http://www.wildfirelessons.net/Home.aspx

I also cannot understand why in Australia these reports aren't made public.

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2009, 11:26:06 AM »
you would think that the CFS Centre for Lessons Learned would be similarly available...nice and concise catalogue, freely accessible by all on the Net and full of information.....apparantly not. More locked down than Paris's Phone Number....

or maybe it's just that nothing has been learned in the last 4 years  :?

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2009, 01:02:16 PM »
I've attached the 2007 Lessons learned "issue 1"....has there ever been a issue 2  haha


Has anyone used the "CFS Commander" tab, when Police is the Incident controller? lol

When was the last time you saw a CFS member at an incident not wearing PPE....i could count a number of occurances in the past 3 months....


IRIS was first mentioned in 2007....first used in 2009,   some faster than usual progress !
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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2009, 09:19:44 AM »
The CFS Incident Controller at the Strathalbyn School Fire wasn't wearing any PPE.....great example they set for us!

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2009, 10:09:38 AM »
and you're surprised?...why?

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2009, 02:24:08 PM »
and you're surprised?...why?

Hahaha, yeah, not exactly the pinnacle area for responsibility, Good as using Woodchester 14 in a fire inside a furniture shop...

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2009, 06:27:04 AM »
Not surprised, just making a point...its the CFS, nothing can come as a shock anymore.

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2010, 05:59:33 PM »
Looks like alot left on board given its up for public auction.
Beacons etc as well as plenty in the cabin shots of the Minlanton appliance.

Is that the norm..???

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2010, 08:38:52 AM »
The beacons are usually taken off I thought, and thought they removed the CFS logos and stripes (or paint over them!).  Also someone from HQ (or the brigade) should go along and swipe back that GRN charger on the front seat of the Minlaton truck.

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Re: CFS Appliances involved in MVA
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2010, 09:39:00 AM »
yes one would think the hosereels from minlatons truck would make good spares, as well as the beacons, led's etc etc
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