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Re: CFS using K-codes
« Reply #75 on: December 04, 2011, 09:12:18 PM »
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Posted on: Today at 05:44:02 PMPosted by: DaveP
+1 for Simple language. It actually makes more sense (so it won't happen) for the MFS to cease using K codes for voice communications and stick to plain English words like "mobile" "arrived" "upgrade to" "stop" etc. If you want to send codes then get data terminals and push the buttons. If they don't work/won't be provided then plain English makes for less confusion and decoding.


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plain language.   Most radio ops don't do the role day in and out.  It's hard enough for some to use the right pro words,  can't imagine what would happen trying to remember k codes.

 

Seriously, how much simpler can you get?

Again........ remembering 3 or 4 K codes really isn't that hard!


Also, when communicating verbally (via radio), some things need to be repeated because they need to be acknowleged. I needs to be kept simple of course but each operator needs to know they have been recieved and understood.


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Re: CFS using K-codes
« Reply #76 on: December 04, 2011, 10:31:08 PM »
Isn't

"Adelaide Fire Strath 34P"
"Send Strath 34P"
"Strath 34P mobile incident 81"
"Roger, Strath 34P, Adelaide Fire Out"

Just as easy?

Pip

I'm all in favour of keeping things simple, but
"Adelaide Fire, Strath 34P is K3"
is a lot quicker than saying
"Adelaide fire, Strath 34P is at incident but available to respond".

There are some cases where a K code is much faster and easier.

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Re: CFS using K-codes
« Reply #77 on: December 05, 2011, 06:29:44 AM »
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Posted on: Yesterday at 10:31:08 PMPosted by: CFS_Firey  

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Isn't

"Adelaide Fire Strath 34P"
"Send Strath 34P"
"Strath 34P mobile incident 81"
"Roger, Strath 34P, Adelaide Fire Out"

Just as easy?

Pip


I'm all in favour of keeping things simple, but
"Adelaide Fire, Strath 34P is K3"
is a lot quicker than saying
"Adelaide fire, Strath 34P is at incident but available to respond".

There are some cases where a K code is much faster and easier.

You can even forget the 'is' part .... and even the 'Adelaide Fire' part.

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Re: CFS using K-codes
« Reply #78 on: December 05, 2011, 09:32:53 AM »
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Posted on: Yesterday at 10:31:08 PMPosted by: CFS_Firey  

Quote from: Pipster on Yesterday at 11:03:18 AM
Isn't

"Adelaide Fire Strath 34P"
"Send Strath 34P"
"Strath 34P mobile incident 81"
"Roger, Strath 34P, Adelaide Fire Out"

Just as easy?

Pip


I'm all in favour of keeping things simple, but
"Adelaide Fire, Strath 34P is K3"
is a lot quicker than saying
"Adelaide fire, Strath 34P is at incident but available to respond".

There are some cases where a K code is much faster and easier.

You can even forget the 'is' part .... and even the 'Adelaide Fire' part.


Have to agree. Using callsigns at the start of every transmission is NOT required. The whole point is once you establish who is calling, and who they are calling, until an OUT is given, that is the conversation that is happening.


In phone conversation we say"Hi Pip, this is Fred calling". Pip would say oh Hi Fred, Fred doesnt then keep saying Pip at the start of every sentence, nor does Pip (not that I have spoken on the phone with her...who knows??). Hence radio does not need this either!!
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Re: CFS using K-codes
« Reply #79 on: December 09, 2011, 08:08:06 PM »
How about a button box?

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Re: CFS using K-codes
« Reply #80 on: December 10, 2011, 08:11:32 AM »
How about a button box?

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+1

One less sport stadium can buy 100,000 of these.

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Re: CFS using K-codes
« Reply #81 on: December 10, 2011, 09:13:09 AM »
One less sport stadium can buy 100,000 of these.

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Re: CFS using K-codes
« Reply #82 on: December 10, 2011, 09:56:16 AM »
Button boxes would be the best solution.

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Re: CFS using K-codes
« Reply #83 on: December 10, 2011, 04:05:17 PM »
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Posted on: Yesterday at 10:31:08 PMPosted by: CFS_Firey  

Quote from: Pipster on Yesterday at 11:03:18 AM
Isn't

"Adelaide Fire Strath 34P"
"Send Strath 34P"
"Strath 34P mobile incident 81"
"Roger, Strath 34P, Adelaide Fire Out"

Just as easy?

Pip


I'm all in favour of keeping things simple, but
"Adelaide Fire, Strath 34P is K3"
is a lot quicker than saying
"Adelaide fire, Strath 34P is at incident but available to respond".

There are some cases where a K code is much faster and easier.

You can even forget the 'is' part .... and even the 'Adelaide Fire' part.


Have to agree. Using callsigns at the start of every transmission is NOT required. The whole point is once you establish who is calling, and who they are calling, until an OUT is given, that is the conversation that is happening.


In phone conversation we say"Hi Pip, this is Fred calling". Pip would say oh Hi Fred, Fred doesnt then keep saying Pip at the start of every sentence, nor does Pip (not that I have spoken on the phone with her...who knows??). Hence radio does not need this either!!

Duuno if my conversation would go quite like that - Fred is a lad of few words!!!

The difference between a radio conversation, and a phone conversation is that you only have two participants on the phone conversation.  On a radio conversation, there may be multiple conversations occurring / trying to happen on the one talkgroup.

Having said that, the CFS FGP needs to be changed, to reflect the changes in our radio communication technology, so we can get rid of many of the pro words (like over, out etc) and try & teach people to use less of the radio time.

Pro words like over / out etc came about because if you were listening to an HF radio, it was often the only way you knew someone had finished their message, as it was often very difficult to hear on those type of radios!

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Re: CFS using K-codes
« Reply #84 on: December 12, 2011, 07:14:12 PM »
Totally agree Pip. Over is a dinosaur proword.....you can now hear the PTT release at the end of a transmission. I still think out is required, to designate to anyone else on that TG that the conversation has ceased and any other user can now transmit.

SAAS seem to do quite well without the use of out and over, as do SAPOL. Not sure why we still need them.
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Re: CFS using K-codes
« Reply #85 on: December 13, 2011, 09:10:48 AM »
I still think out is required, to designate to anyone else on that TG that the conversation has ceased and any other user can now transmit.

listen before speaking.....an underrated SAGRN skill

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Re: CFS using K-codes
« Reply #86 on: December 13, 2011, 12:21:58 PM »
I still think out is required, to designate to anyone else on that TG that the conversation has ceased and any other user can now transmit.

listen before speaking.....an underrated SAGRN skill

As someone who works on the radio side frequently....so very true!
"is that negative as in yes, or negative as in no" - actual radio transmission from the field.......