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Delays Between Emergency Services
« on: February 20, 2013, 11:15:44 AM »
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/breaking-news/police-to-take-the-lead-in-water-rescues/story-e6frea7l-1226581875627

Whilst this is from NSW it appears to have a number of similarities with the delays I have seen with responding any rescue/fire appliance to an RCR when SAAS have been responded. I can only hope that SA can get their system sorted out.

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Re: Delays Between Emergency Services
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2013, 12:47:16 PM »
I believe intercad wil be coming online her very soon which will hopefully help things, but yes delays for jobs here in SA seem to happen all too often.
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Re: Delays Between Emergency Services
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2013, 02:52:15 PM »
On this, yesterday, we were about to start Cadet training, when one of the parents notified us of a crash that'd just happened up the road (were told car A crashed into car B at around 100km/h). So we decided to wait around just in case we were called to it, we heard SAAS turn up (If I'm correct around 4 Ambo's turned up).
Neither us, nor Aldinga (RCR) were called at all.
F/F Sellicks Beach, Kyeema Group.

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Re: Delays Between Emergency Services
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2013, 06:42:50 PM »
On this, yesterday, we were about to start Cadet training, when one of the parents notified us of a crash that'd just happened up the road (were told car A crashed into car B at around 100km/h). So we decided to wait around just in case we were called to it, we heard SAAS turn up (If I'm correct around 4 Ambo's turned up).
Neither us, nor Aldinga (RCR) were called at all.


You had a car accident reported to you, and you failed to take any action?
Interesting in itself.


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Re: Delays Between Emergency Services
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2013, 06:51:18 PM »

You had a car accident reported to you, and you failed to take any action?
Interesting in itself.

Really?? If it had already been reported and the ambos called why would they need to
Take any action? If they wernt called probably a fair chance it's because they were not required!

cant prove it?? then i didnt do it......

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Re: Delays Between Emergency Services
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2013, 07:40:50 PM »
On this, yesterday, we were about to start Cadet training, when one of the parents notified us of a crash that'd just happened up the road (were told car A crashed into car B at around 100km/h). So we decided to wait around just in case we were called to it, we heard SAAS turn up (If I'm correct around 4 Ambo's turned up).
Neither us, nor Aldinga (RCR) were called at all.


You had a car accident reported to you, and you failed to take any action?
Interesting in itself.



I agree, if we had someone report to us that there had been a VA down the road at that speed i wouldnt have hesitated responding to investigate, if you arent required on arrival so be it, but if you are then you probably just saved yourself a good deal of time waiting to be called.
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Re: Delays Between Emergency Services
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2013, 11:51:49 PM »

You had a car accident reported to you, and you failed to take any action?
Interesting in itself.

Really?? If it had already been reported and the ambos called why would they need to
Take any action? If they wernt called probably a fair chance it's because they were not required!



Hah.
What a joke.

An incident reported direct to a manned fire station is no different to a 000 call.
Of course they should have acted.

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Re: Delays Between Emergency Services
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2013, 05:44:29 AM »
Yet other people provide criticism for 'self responding' crews to incidents.

Personally I would have responded a vehicle to provide first aid & incident protection.

Would you notify Adelaide Fire or Group DO ?
Andrew Macmichael
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Re: Delays Between Emergency Services
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2013, 07:38:23 AM »
Of course you would notify ADLFIRE to inform them that you have just been notified (verbally) of an incident (they may not have it logged yet due to the normal delay between SAAS and ADLFIRE) More importantly they can then book you to the job in SACAD.

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Re: Delays Between Emergency Services
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2013, 07:51:09 AM »
Theres a MAJOR difference to responding to an incident at initial report, and inserting yourself into a known, going incident.

Even ambos, who have strict dispatch protocols would self respond to incidents reported to them.
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Re: Delays Between Emergency Services
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2013, 08:56:11 AM »
When said parent mentioned this to me, I asked the most Senior person at the station at that time if we should go check it out, yet he said we should wait for a page. There was nothing I could do. We also only had 3 members at station, and 5 cadets.
This instruction was furthered again when a LT arrived to be our 34 driver for Cadet Training.
F/F Sellicks Beach, Kyeema Group.

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Re: Delays Between Emergency Services
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2013, 09:56:37 AM »
Your specific situation is different. You also has duty of care responsibilities over the cadets, which is why I would hazard a guess for why the decision was made not to respond (short crewed) and leave the cadets unsupervised in the station.

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Re: Delays Between Emergency Services
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2013, 02:13:12 PM »
Although contacting comms and organising a response still would have made more sense.

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Re: Delays Between Emergency Services
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2013, 04:06:20 PM »
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Hah.
What a joke.

An incident reported direct to a manned fire station is no different to a 000 call.
Of course they should have acted.

If someone reported it to a fire station asking for help then yes, notify Adelaide fire and get appropriate resources responded but if someone tells you about an already reported incident that other emergency services are attending it's not really up to us to tell them if they need us.. 99% of the time if the operator thinks we are required well then we get paged and most times its in a fairly reasonable timeframe
cant prove it?? then i didnt do it......

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Re: Delays Between Emergency Services
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2013, 09:38:19 PM »
Raven already stated that the parent said the crash only just happened.
And that they later heard SAAS arriving.
Entirely reasonable to immediately check if AdFire had already received a report.
Or not.
Only takes a phone call...
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