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women in the service's
« on: April 26, 2006, 08:36:34 PM »
recently I had a lady ask me about joining a brigade that was looking for members,so I said to her go along to one of their training session and see what its all about. she did this and really enjoyed it so they gave her all the forms to fill in and do the checks. all was going fine till the BFF1 came up and in the two weeks leading up to it she felt that because of two male's that she would never get on the appliances..... So she left and joined the SES and is still there...

Its true there are still brigdae's out there that will not let females on the front line and once again they loose a new member...........TIME FOR CHANGE.......

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Re: women in the service's
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2006, 10:07:35 PM »
I agree rescue5271 we should be allowing females to become volunteers and be allowed to go to the frontline rather than them being stuck in front of a radio at the sation or operations center

My mum was hesitant of joining the CFS 10 years ago due to most our brigade being made up of male members but this didn't stop her from joining and being put on the frontline

Its entirely up to the new recruits whether they want to be placed on the front line or in the comms room
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Re: women in the service's
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2006, 10:13:07 PM »
Thats no good, had to reread that message cause I thought it said the 2 males said she'd never get on the appliance, that would have been disgraceful if that happened, luckily I read it twice.

We got two female members in our brigade, one who happens to be my mum :-P  Everyone gets along fine, no drama's.

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Re: women in the service's
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2006, 08:09:44 AM »
Unfortunately its something I notice in our area as well......

Particularly hard for the younger to get a foot in the door. Ive spent many hours talking to a few people, trying to convince them then can beat the "road blocks" (for want of a better description).

Not good at all!

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Re: women in the service's
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2006, 10:01:15 AM »
We have 4 females in our brigade and it made one male member leave as they all got there before he could, so he would often miss the truck. Responce time was made quicker as most live closer now and no need to waite if we have 5 members on the truck.

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Re: women in the service's
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2006, 10:47:12 AM »
sad....

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Re: women in the service's
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2006, 11:35:02 AM »
I was the first female Capt on Eyre Peninsula (and still the only 1) but I have found that nearly all guys are good to work with...it helps that I've now been a Capt for 8 years and have earned some respect.

The only guys that are a problem, would probably have issues with women in any environment ie mcp's very sad but true.

It is also VERY important that the girls go in with the right attitude and consider themselves to be on the same level. I loathe to have it highligted that I'm a female firefighter...I say that I'm a firefighter, like the other 15,500 in SA!  We are all 1 team..and we have different areas of abilities.. women may not be as physically capable BUT they might be better at IMT etc..

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Re: women in the service's
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2006, 11:30:08 AM »
There are a couple of issues that I have to talk about.
1: I was a part of a CFS Station.
2: The reason that I left.

I was part of a CFS station for more than a year. I really enjoyed what I did and helping people. It was a way for me to feel a part of the community. The reason I left was because some of the males at the Station were sexist towards me. Why? Don't they think that I can do the job just as well as them?

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Re: women in the service's
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2006, 10:09:19 PM »
Thats disgraceful that people would be sexist towards you and make you leave.  Taking away fun that you have being part of CFS because they feel inferior working with a female is disgraceful.

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Re: women in the service's
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2006, 05:25:16 PM »
My Mother went to join the fire service in the late 80s but they just turned around and said that being a fire fighter is a mans domain my mum had to wait another 10years before she could join in the late 90s. when she joined she was not allowed to become a fire fighter because the Capitan at the time refused her to be on the appliance so she had to wait another 6 to 18 months before she done her basic level 1 course. Now she is LT3 and happier than ever since these other members have retired. now our fire station has more females than ever and couldn't be any more happier.  :-D and now my mother is looking at becoming brigade Capitan in 2 to 4 years time. :-D

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Re: women in the service's
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2006, 06:00:28 PM »
We had the same situation at our station but now has all changed we are all so happy with our female fire fighters. they are good to work with and all have fun

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Re: women in the service's
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2006, 07:22:38 AM »
As I have alreday said its about time some females took action against these brigades,talk first to the captain or the GO and if no luck take it to the VSO and follow the chain.... I have also seen this first hand from a friend who went to join a brigade and the guys treated her like crap and when I raised the issue with the captain he said he did not want feamles on his station..... Mind you its sad in this day and age that these guys get away with it and its time to do something about it.. My friend went and joined SES and is very happy,the sad point is that there is talk that they will join CFS as the town can no longer support ses/cfs... She is happy to transfer but at what cost???? Did you know that SES have 39% feamle members and that CFs have around 10%.... As a male I for one feel that females need to be welcomed into any service and we need all the help we can get... Mind you we are only human....

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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2006, 10:20:17 AM »
I was not only the 1st female member at my brigade I was the 1st (and only) cadet.  I joined under a captain who, to this day, believes that  a womans place is in the kitchen.  I have prooven him wrong on many occations and now there is 4 female members in my brigade.  I was onlt told last week at training that even though he has 10+ years membership/experiance on me that many of the members would not take what he has to say seriously.

There is male members of my brigade that cant take the heat on the fire ground, but will still respond to the station to do radio and help out (they also do training ect) and are happy to make the cuppas when we get back!!!!

It just goes to show that sometimes women are as good as the men (if not better) at some things and vise versa!!!!!  :lol:

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Re: women in the service's
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2006, 10:44:57 AM »
very stupid...

we have several females in the brigade, and although theyre not as physically capable as most of the males in the brigade, they are still great FFs, and if not for them we wouldnt get out the doors for day calls sometimes...


i dont see why we'd treat them any differant to  the guys in the brigade.

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Re: women in the service's
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2006, 10:54:19 AM »
although theyre not as physically capable as most of the males in the brigade,

That creates a very stereo typical view though.... Some members of our brigade have a pre-concieved idea that this is the case for all women. This leads to the girls not being given a chance.....  :x

Not having a go Medevac (just generalising your statement a bit)...... It may be true in a few cases, but we cant let these pre-concieved ideas creep in to far, as thats what starts the ball rolling.

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Re: women in the service's
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2006, 11:19:11 AM »
just goes to show you cant say anything innocent without comment...

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Re: women in the service's
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2006, 05:18:33 PM »
I think that stay at home mothers, with school age children, really are an untapped resource for the CFS. They could easily boost daytime crew numbers. I believe Mylor has quite a large proportion of females in their brigade and this are going rather well.

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Re: women in the service's
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2006, 08:33:20 PM »
Its time for all brigade's to be far and let females join and be front line firefighters,better still brigade's should remove waiting lists that they have once and for all. I know we will never fix some weight on equipment problems that female's (some) are unable to lift like RCR gear and so that is when we need to remember to work as part of a TEAM.... To those brigade's in particular to brigade leaders wake up and be proud that females are willing to join...

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Re: women in the service's
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2006, 12:21:25 AM »
Can't avoid waiting lists when you max out SFEC's...

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Re: women in the service's
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2006, 09:08:28 AM »
thankfully in my 19yrs of service, I've really only ever had trouble with 1 male..and he's such a chauvanistic pig that it wouldn't matter who you were..even the men have trouble with him.

It's refreshing to hear such acceptance in this forum of female ff and their abilities..I was the first (and only so far) female Capt on EP and have now been nominated for DGO at our next AGM - by my male peers.

We have good numbers of female ff but more importantly, they all contribute valuable skills and abilities to our service.

GO TEAM..

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Re: women in the service's
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2006, 09:10:09 AM »
remove waiting lists??? dont think that would work, especially in some areas where the waiting lists are HUGE...

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Re: women in the service's
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2006, 09:14:35 PM »
I will not mention brigade names,but a couple have day time problems and they re page so as to get a driver,funny that on their waiting list are a number of people who have a truck license but because they have a waiting list can not get them onto the active list till someone leave's.. Now that is madness,these people will move onto another service or another brigade or they may just lose interest in the CFS ......

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Re: women in the service's
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2006, 09:11:12 AM »
I thought that you could have as many aux as you wanted...maybe those who are not so active should be shunted to BA and off BF...then giving room for those who do want to be BF...we did this to our list recently..they are all still members ...and BA's CAN still be operational.

The only consideration I thought we had to worry about was the active BF's that are kitted out...in accordance with SOFC..I might be wrong.. :?

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« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2006, 05:38:16 PM »
Some brigades only have waiting lists so they can start new members all together at a particular time of year and train them at the same level. Its no good for some of the larger brigades to take on new people in ones and twos and be able to integrate them into ordinary brigade training. Of course this doesnt apply to transfers. You may have someone on a waiting list who can drive a truck but you need to know a lot more than that before you can start attending jobs.

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Re: women in the service's
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2006, 08:29:22 PM »
very stupid...

we have several females in the brigade, and although theyre not as physically capable as most of the males in the brigade, they are still great FFs, and if not for them we wouldnt get out the doors for day calls sometimes...


i dont see why we'd treat them any differant to  the guys in the brigade.

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