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Re: SES/CFS Response Priorities
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2006, 06:52:29 PM »
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Re: SES/CFS Response Priorities
« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2006, 01:13:59 AM »

16:44:49 24-09-06 CREW REQUIRED FOR LAND SEARCH AT MIDDLETON IMMEDIATELY TO STRATH BASE

16:42:19 24-09-06 MORE CREW REQUIRED FOR SEARCH

16:35:51 24-09-06 SOUTH COAST NOW OPERATIONAL 

16:30:57 24-09-06 MFS: RESPOND SEARCH 24/09/06 16:30,BASHAM BEACH RD,MIDDLETON, MAP 305 N 11 ,,ASSIST POLICE MISSING CHILD POLICE CONTACT NO O401 991 668,73229*CFSRES:

Just curious i realise CFS aren't trained in land search but surely some of these SES units could do with some more people and there quickly for some searches. There just seems to be some urgent searches going on around the place but they'll pull in units from 30+ kms away for a search when theres multiple CFS brigades within a 10km radius who could provide extensive manpower almost immediatly??? Whats peoples opinion???

And no i'm not searching for calls :-P


SES are the designated authority for land search and yes there is a course to do it.It is not just about looking for someone but also for maintaining the chain of evidence, if anything goes pear shaped should it lead to a death etc.

We have been accused in the past of wearing too many hats so lets stick to what were good at firefighting :wink:
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Re: SES/CFS Response Priorities
« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2006, 01:51:16 AM »
I hope you mean, lets stick to firefighting, RCR, HAZMAT, Rope rescue, Confined space, USAR, Storm Damage  :wink:

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Re: SES/CFS Response Priorities
« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2006, 08:17:56 AM »
I hope you mean, lets stick to firefighting, RCR, HAZMAT, Rope rescue, Confined space, USAR, Storm Damage  :wink:

Hmmm... I do believe that the CFS only has the monopoly on firefighting and HAZMAT, Toasty...

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Re: SES/CFS Response Priorities
« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2006, 02:07:48 PM »
Interesting the varying comments regards 'non called to a land search' and the comment earlier regards 'too many cooks' at a tasking. Too many people at a land search can cause more problems than resolve.

Yes, when you do the course you are taught to 'evidence / sign search' and team leaders are taught 'probability of survival search'.

Their is a lot more information regards a search than the simple pager message.
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Re: SES/CFS Response Priorities
« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2006, 04:36:54 PM »
Interesting the varying comments regards 'non called to a land search' and the comment earlier regards 'too many cooks' at a tasking. Too many people at a land search can cause more problems than resolve.

Yes, when you do the course you are taught to 'evidence / sign search' and team leaders are taught 'probability of survival search'.

Their is a lot more information regards a search than the simple pager message.

Amen to that.

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Re: SES/CFS Response Priorities
« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2006, 12:50:58 AM »
I hope you mean, lets stick to firefighting, RCR, HAZMAT, Rope rescue, Confined space, USAR, Storm Damage  :wink:

Hmmm... I do believe that the CFS only has the monopoly on firefighting and HAZMAT, Toasty...

Ah so are we talking monopoly or what we are trained to do and what equipment we carry?

Now, the only thing we dont do there is Confined Space(coming sooon) and USAR.

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Re: SES/CFS Response Priorities
« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2006, 07:12:06 AM »
I hope you mean, lets stick to firefighting, RCR, HAZMAT, Rope rescue, Confined space, USAR, Storm Damage  :wink:

Hmmm... I do believe that the CFS only has the monopoly on firefighting and HAZMAT, Toasty...

Ah so are we talking monopoly or what we are trained to do and what equipment we carry?

Now, the only thing we dont do there is Confined Space(coming sooon) and USAR.

We carry fire extinguishers, but it doesn't make us firefighters... You're going to be confined space? Better not say it too loud, or else Noarlunga SES will chase you away  :evil:

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Re: SES/CFS Response Priorities
« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2006, 10:49:40 AM »
I guess we do not have to deal with evidence at any of our fires, MVA I have been doing it all wrong, silly me.

I have been on a few searches also looking for evidence in dumps its not that hard.

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Re: SES/CFS Response Priorities
« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2006, 01:37:33 PM »
I guess we do not have to deal with evidence at any of our fires, MVA I have been doing it all wrong, silly me.

I have been on a few searches also looking for evidence in dumps its not that hard.
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Re: SES/CFS Response Priorities
« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2006, 02:50:21 PM »
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We carry fire extinguishers, but it doesn't make us firefighters...

If you carry the extinguishers, and you are trained to use them to fight fires, then yes, you are fire fighters - technically...

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Re: SES/CFS Response Priorities
« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2006, 07:06:55 PM »
what hell no. most people who work in a office get trained to use a fire extinguisher

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Re: SES/CFS Response Priorities
« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2006, 07:23:49 PM »
but if they then use that extinguishers to fight the fire, then like was said they are technically fire fighters  :evil:
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Re: SES/CFS Response Priorities
« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2006, 07:26:31 PM »
fire‧fight‧er  /ˈfaɪərˌfaɪtɛr/ [fahyuhr-fahy-ter]-noun
a person who fights destructive fires.

well i guess the dic says it all

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Re: SES/CFS Response Priorities
« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2006, 07:58:00 PM »

16:44:49 24-09-06 CREW REQUIRED FOR LAND SEARCH AT MIDDLETON IMMEDIATELY TO STRATH BASE

16:42:19 24-09-06 MORE CREW REQUIRED FOR SEARCH

16:35:51 24-09-06 SOUTH COAST NOW OPERATIONAL 

16:30:57 24-09-06 MFS: RESPOND SEARCH 24/09/06 16:30,BASHAM BEACH RD,MIDDLETON, MAP 305 N 11 ,,ASSIST POLICE MISSING CHILD POLICE CONTACT NO xxxx xxx xxx,73229*CFSRES:

Just curious i realise CFS aren't trained in land search but surely some of these SES units could do with some more people and there quickly for some searches. There just seems to be some urgent searches going on around the place but they'll pull in units from 30+ kms away for a search when theres multiple CFS brigades within a 10km radius who could provide extensive manpower almost immediatly??? Whats peoples opinion???

And no i'm not searching for calls :-P

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I agree that the more trained people quickly on a large search the better.

For example, SAPOL are designated authority for land search. A single SAPOL STAR squad member is normally search controller who calls in SES volunteers.

My ideal solution would be to split the CFS crew amongst SES teams under the control of a SES Search Team Leader. This happens sometimes with local people being able to give directions to SES Search crews using local knowledge, so they join the search team.

Now to be frank, would this be a problem given the anomosity between SES & CFS between Victor Harbor & Goolwa that I have read in this forum ???

If so, I am sad for the lost child.
Andrew Macmichael
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Re: SES/CFS Response Priorities
« Reply #40 on: September 26, 2006, 11:20:02 PM »
To be truthful i enjoy working with the guys from south coast there are only a couple guys from that unit that i have and will never have any respect for but i enjoy working with them, there are a couple issues that i believe they need to sort out but i never bat an eylid if i have to call them to back us up. :-)

As for your idea about combining CFS and SES people in groups for searches Andrew i think it's a great idea that way they've got extra manpower plus theres still the trained search people within the group.

And as for animosity between members having a impact on work being done at a job, i don't tolerate it, we are there to work if there are problems they are brought up at a debrief afterwards and sorted out asap.
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Re: SES/CFS Response Priorities
« Reply #41 on: September 26, 2006, 11:51:04 PM »
Uh oh, if you start combining SES and CFS for searches, what next?

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Re: SES/CFS Response Priorities
« Reply #42 on: September 26, 2006, 11:54:10 PM »
Maybe we could get together and mate, but we'd probably end up with a funny coloured hybrid sterile mule :lol:
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Re: SES/CFS Response Priorities
« Reply #43 on: September 26, 2006, 11:55:30 PM »
you are getting the hang of this kinda humour

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Re: SES/CFS Response Priorities
« Reply #44 on: September 27, 2006, 12:00:31 AM »
I invented this humour if i wrote half the stuff i think of i'd be banned from the internet. :wink:
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