SES/CFS Response Priorities

[Toast]

Beards are a life threat, respond P1

[SA Firey]

16:44:49 24-09-06 CREW REQUIRED FOR LAND SEARCH AT MIDDLETON IMMEDIATELY TO STRATH BASE

16:42:19 24-09-06 MORE CREW REQUIRED FOR SEARCH

16:35:51 24-09-06 SOUTH COAST NOW OPERATIONAL 

16:30:57 24-09-06 MFS: RESPOND SEARCH 24/09/06 16:30,BASHAM BEACH RD,MIDDLETON, MAP 305 N 11 ,,ASSIST POLICE MISSING CHILD POLICE CONTACT NO O401 991 668,73229*CFSRES:

Just curious i realise CFS aren't trained in land search but surely some of these SES units could do with some more people and there quickly for some searches. There just seems to be some urgent searches going on around the place but they'll pull in units from 30+ kms away for a search when theres multiple CFS brigades within a 10km radius who could provide extensive manpower almost immediatly??? Whats peoples opinion???

And no i'm not searching for calls

SES are the designated authority for land search and yes there is a course to do it.It is not just about looking for someone but also for maintaining the chain of evidence, if anything goes pear shaped should it lead to a death etc.

We have been accused in the past of wearing too many hats so lets stick to what were good at firefighting

[Toast]

I hope you mean, lets stick to firefighting, RCR, HAZMAT, Rope rescue, Confined space, USAR, Storm Damage 

[squiddy]

I hope you mean, lets stick to firefighting, RCR, HAZMAT, Rope rescue, Confined space, USAR, Storm Damage 

Hmmm... I do believe that the CFS only has the monopoly on firefighting and HAZMAT, Toasty...

[bajdas]

Interesting the varying comments regards 'non called to a land search' and the comment earlier regards 'too many cooks' at a tasking. Too many people at a land search can cause more problems than resolve.

Yes, when you do the course you are taught to 'evidence / sign search' and team leaders are taught 'probability of survival search'.

Their is a lot more information regards a search than the simple pager message.

[squiddy]

Interesting the varying comments regards 'non called to a land search' and the comment earlier regards 'too many cooks' at a tasking. Too many people at a land search can cause more problems than resolve.

Yes, when you do the course you are taught to 'evidence / sign search' and team leaders are taught 'probability of survival search'.

Their is a lot more information regards a search than the simple pager message.

Amen to that.

[Toast]

I hope you mean, lets stick to firefighting, RCR, HAZMAT, Rope rescue, Confined space, USAR, Storm Damage 

Hmmm... I do believe that the CFS only has the monopoly on firefighting and HAZMAT, Toasty...

Ah so are we talking monopoly or what we are trained to do and what equipment we carry?

Now, the only thing we dont do there is Confined Space(coming sooon) and USAR.

[squiddy]

I hope you mean, lets stick to firefighting, RCR, HAZMAT, Rope rescue, Confined space, USAR, Storm Damage 

Hmmm... I do believe that the CFS only has the monopoly on firefighting and HAZMAT, Toasty...

Ah so are we talking monopoly or what we are trained to do and what equipment we carry?

Now, the only thing we dont do there is Confined Space(coming sooon) and USAR.

We carry fire extinguishers, but it doesn't make us firefighters... You're going to be confined space? Better not say it too loud, or else Noarlunga SES will chase you away 

[backburn]

I guess we do not have to deal with evidence at any of our fires, MVA I have been doing it all wrong, silly me.

I have been on a few searches also looking for evidence in dumps its not that hard.

[Toast]

I guess we do not have to deal with evidence at any of our fires, MVA I have been doing it all wrong, silly me.

I have been on a few searches also looking for evidence in dumps its not that hard.

Exactly!
The term common sense comes to mind... But then again, it has proved to not be all that common.

[CFS_Firey]

We carry fire extinguishers, but it doesn't make us firefighters...

If you carry the extinguishers, and you are trained to use them to fight fires, then yes, you are fire fighters - technically...

[Manuel]

what hell no. most people who work in a office get trained to use a fire extinguisher

[Benji]

but if they then use that extinguishers to fight the fire, then like was said they are technically fire fighters 

[Manuel]

fire‧fight‧er  /ˈfaɪərˌfaɪtɛr/ [fahyuhr-fahy-ter]-noun
a person who fights destructive fires.

well i guess the dic says it all

[bajdas]

16:44:49 24-09-06 CREW REQUIRED FOR LAND SEARCH AT MIDDLETON IMMEDIATELY TO STRATH BASE

16:42:19 24-09-06 MORE CREW REQUIRED FOR SEARCH

16:35:51 24-09-06 SOUTH COAST NOW OPERATIONAL 

16:30:57 24-09-06 MFS: RESPOND SEARCH 24/09/06 16:30,BASHAM BEACH RD,MIDDLETON, MAP 305 N 11 ,,ASSIST POLICE MISSING CHILD POLICE CONTACT NO xxxx xxx xxx,73229*CFSRES:

Just curious i realise CFS aren't trained in land search but surely some of these SES units could do with some more people and there quickly for some searches. There just seems to be some urgent searches going on around the place but they'll pull in units from 30+ kms away for a search when theres multiple CFS brigades within a 10km radius who could provide extensive manpower almost immediatly??? Whats peoples opinion???

And no i'm not searching for calls

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I agree that the more trained people quickly on a large search the better.

For example, SAPOL are designated authority for land search. A single SAPOL STAR squad member is normally search controller who calls in SES volunteers.

My ideal solution would be to split the CFS crew amongst SES teams under the control of a SES Search Team Leader. This happens sometimes with local people being able to give directions to SES Search crews using local knowledge, so they join the search team.

Now to be frank, would this be a problem given the anomosity between SES & CFS between Victor Harbor & Goolwa that I have read in this forum

If so, I am sad for the lost child.

[Alan (Big Al)]

To be truthful i enjoy working with the guys from south coast there are only a couple guys from that unit that i have and will never have any respect for but i enjoy working with them, there are a couple issues that i believe they need to sort out but i never bat an eylid if i have to call them to back us up.

As for your idea about combining CFS and SES people in groups for searches Andrew i think it's a great idea that way they've got extra manpower plus theres still the trained search people within the group.

And as for animosity between members having a impact on work being done at a job, i don't tolerate it, we are there to work if there are problems they are brought up at a debrief afterwards and sorted out asap.

[Toast]

Uh oh, if you start combining SES and CFS for searches, what next?

[Alan (Big Al)]

Maybe we could get together and mate, but we'd probably end up with a funny coloured hybrid sterile mule

[Manuel]

you are getting the hang of this kinda humour

[Alan (Big Al)]

I invented this humour if i wrote half the stuff i think of i'd be banned from the internet.