Author Topic: Money verses Safety (Read 14340 times)

24P · « **Reply #25 on:** May 23, 2006, 01:55:58 PM »

Quote from: P F on May 22, 2006, 07:56:47 PM

There is no talk of getting rid of 14's as far as I know. But I have heard 24 and 24P's are going.

When you say 24 and 24p's are going you mean they are'nt building anymore dont you? They were once looking at phasing out 34's at one stage.

Mike · « **Reply #26 on:** May 23, 2006, 02:05:56 PM »

that was a long time ago 24P. when they upgraded the chassis there was so much "room" weight wise, they thought why not put the extra 1000 litres on there!

PF_ · « **Reply #27 on:** May 23, 2006, 02:21:19 PM »

I read in a recent "volunteer" and have heard they are wanting to have standard trucks again as it is getting a bit crazy with so many different kinds. SO there will be one brand (Hino, Isuzu etc) of 34 and 34P and no 24's. Might be i September, December or April Volunteer mag.

probie_boy · « **Reply #28 on:** May 23, 2006, 03:01:52 PM »

Quote from: P F on May 23, 2006, 02:21:19 PM

I read in a recent "volunteer" and have heard they are wanting to have standard trucks again as it is getting a bit crazy with so many different kinds. SO there will be one brand (Hino, Isuzu etc) of 34 and 34P and no 24's. Might be i September, December or April Volunteer mag.

yeah, the first step to success here...get rid of the Dennis! oh that would be sad seeing that go

from what I have heard the CFS are going to stop making 24's and 24ps so we'll only have 34s, 34p's and 14's

PF_ · « **Reply #29 on:** May 23, 2006, 03:10:48 PM »

Yeah good point, surely they wouldnt get rid of Dennis. I wonder brigades should get Scania's as urban pumpers. They can get them from the same place as MFS does and save money, plus they can recycle them with each other, maybe.

medevac · « **Reply #30 on:** May 23, 2006, 03:52:11 PM »

this tpoics been bashed before somewhere... cant find the thread tho'

i personally believeCFS should adopt a standard pumper, pump-rescue, rural/urban appliance, heavy rural appliance and QAV....

cant see it really happening, but there ya go anyway...

Robert-Robert34 · « **Reply #31 on:** May 23, 2006, 04:19:51 PM »

You are right on the money there medevac those 5 types of appliances should be adopted by the CFS

Come to think about it those 5 types of appliances arent they already utilized by the MFS

F.B.R.T · « **Reply #32 on:** May 23, 2006, 06:35:27 PM »

If an urban CFS brigade does plenty of calls and can justify heavy pumpers and heavy pump rescues like our Scania's, then it would make financial sense to order the same vehicles from the same body builders all at once.

Even taking into account different color of these vehicles, it would have to give the two services bigger buying power.

As long as they have both vehicles the same specs and positioning of gear in the lockers etc. it would take the guess work out of working out what gear was in what locker when an urban brigade with the same vehicle turns up to assist you at a job!

It would take some brigades a while to get used to sending only 4 crew in Scania to a callout instead of 10!

Anyhow, Just an idea.
Regards, Mat

PF_ · « **Reply #33 on:** May 23, 2006, 06:41:08 PM »

Do the scania's only hold four crew? I thought they would have at atleast 5.

Just curious, how does it work with 4 crew having to have 2 extra back up BA crew when 2 are inside. If the 2 back up crew need to go in to help where is the other back up if its a one truck job?

Also does MFS have set out locker set-ups on the Scanias and other appliances?

medevac · « **Reply #34 on:** May 23, 2006, 06:52:19 PM »

I belive the standard pumpers have a set out stowage...

Alan (Big Al) · « **Reply #35 on:** May 24, 2006, 12:01:18 AM »

Scania's can take 5 people, 3 BA seats in back, one in front passenger and one driver

F.B.R.T · « **Reply #36 on:** May 24, 2006, 12:07:48 AM »

The Scania's have only 3 seats with BA sets built in.
That is the officers front left,rear right and left.
There is a BA set often referred to as the "drivers set" in the rear middle, but this is not set up for use as an extra seat whilst the vehicle is being driven and has different bracket holding the set in place.

The drivers seat for obvious reasons does not have a air set built in.

The rear of the cab could probably be set up for an extra seating position but this hasn't been an issue for us.

Backup BA is generally the second responding appliance which isn't usually too far behind the first.

As for the locker setup, most MFS appliances whether it be GP pump or pump rescue are fairly standardized throughout the fleet, which makes it a lot easier if you are tasked to grab equipment out of another stations appliance.

Regards, Mat

Alan (Big Al) · « **Reply #37 on:** May 24, 2006, 12:11:29 AM »

Sorry Mat I must've seen a different one, i think it was a spare Scan. from Adelaide it had all three in the back but i think i'll believe someone who rides in one first.

F.B.R.T · « **Reply #38 on:** May 24, 2006, 12:15:43 AM »

I think there may of been a earlier model Scania with BA seating for three in the rear and one in the front left as the first prototype.

This hasn't continued with the rest of the fleet however.

Regards, Mat

Alan (Big Al) · « **Reply #39 on:** May 24, 2006, 12:34:54 AM »

Yeah could've been it Mat it was an earlier 90's Scania.

PF_ · « **Reply #40 on:** May 24, 2006, 07:59:04 AM »

Does MFS have a 2 appliance to every fire rule also?

medevac · « **Reply #41 on:** May 24, 2006, 08:41:57 AM »

no.

pumps quite regularly go to rubbish fires lone ranger, aslo vehicle fires i believe (?) and grassies... i guess it depends on the circumstance though... as ive heard a rubbish fire get a full commercial fire response, probly just incorrect detail from caller tho'...

besides, theres quite a few retained stations with only one truck, and they turn out by themselves most of the time...

F.B.R.T · « **Reply #42 on:** May 24, 2006, 12:46:39 PM »

I can't speak of what happens at one appliance country stations, but we generally respond two appliances to most jobs even if the second one is responding priority two.

This gets a second crew out and about to assist the first if needed and also gives the appliances a run.

The other night we had an industrial bin fire which the Scania responded priority one and the Skyjet which I was driving almost arrived at the job priority two, when we received a call to a factory fire.

This allowed the first crew to finish their job whilst we then responded direct to the factory fire which ended up being a good second alarm job.

Felt a bit weird though, arriving first with the Skyjet as it only carries around 900 litres of water and that doesn't last long when you have 64MM lines to work straight away!

Regards, Mat

PF_ · « **Reply #43 on:** May 24, 2006, 01:01:25 PM »

Was that the timber factory?

medevac · « **Reply #44 on:** May 24, 2006, 01:03:01 PM »

hah - good times...

better than nothing i guess. was there a decent source to plumb into tho'?

F.B.R.T · « **Reply #45 on:** May 24, 2006, 03:05:21 PM »

Yep, that was the timber mill!
Almost 12 months to the day since the last one!!

rescue5271 · « **Reply #46 on:** May 24, 2006, 03:18:26 PM »

That was a good save matt-----

F.B.R.T · « **Reply #47 on:** May 24, 2006, 05:01:13 PM »

Yep,Job well done by all services involved.

We did have have a practise run 12 months ago though!!

Cheers, Mat

Toast · « **Reply #48 on:** May 24, 2006, 05:03:52 PM »

Quote from: P F on May 24, 2006, 07:59:04 AM

Does MFS have a 2 appliance to every fire rule also?

Does your CFS group?

PF_ · « **Reply #49 on:** May 24, 2006, 05:25:56 PM »

yeah

Isnt it an all CFS ruling?

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