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CFS NEW AIRCRAFT RESCUE UNIT
« on: October 17, 2006, 01:57:11 PM »
Does anyone now who's getting the state aircraft rescue unit I have heard Tanunda,Anguston or Williamstown is post to be getting it.
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Re: CFS NEW AIRCRAFT RESCUE UNIT
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2006, 02:01:55 PM »
Where did you here of another 'aircraft rescue unit'?

Do you mean another plane or helicopter, or is this specialised training for people ? Sorry, but I do not understand the terminology.
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Re: CFS NEW AIRCRAFT RESCUE UNIT
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2006, 03:02:19 PM »
A full on state rescue unit like the hazmat guys but just aircraft instead.
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Re: CFS NEW AIRCRAFT RESCUE UNIT
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2006, 05:11:14 PM »
Personally I hope this is a SAFECOM purchase & available to multi-services. I know it was discussed as part of a state-wide USAR response

I admit I am confused at the difference between the existing aircraft to transport people & equipment, and this proposed one ?
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Re: CFS NEW AIRCRAFT RESCUE UNIT
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2006, 05:22:44 PM »
All I know is the brigade that is lucky enough to get it will be given a bigger unit for the jobs.
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Re: CFS NEW AIRCRAFT RESCUE UNIT
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2006, 05:26:59 PM »
Just so i know i am on the right track.

You are talking about a unit that specifically deals with aircraft crashes across the state?

Explain some details as im probaly not the only one confused.
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Re: CFS NEW AIRCRAFT RESCUE UNIT
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2006, 05:45:04 PM »
Why would they give it to a non RCR brigade surely you'd give it to a pre existing RCR unit??
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Re: CFS NEW AIRCRAFT RESCUE UNIT
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2006, 05:58:30 PM »
Well I don't now why but all I can tell you there looking to start up one that is not road crush rescue the crew will have special training for it.
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Re: CFS NEW AIRCRAFT RESCUE UNIT
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2006, 08:50:17 PM »
mmm.... sounds like a waste of time and money


i havent heard any whisper of this though, sounds odd mate.

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Re: CFS NEW AIRCRAFT RESCUE UNIT
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2006, 10:52:26 PM »
well you never know when it will come in handy thats the thing.
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Re: CFS NEW AIRCRAFT RESCUE UNIT
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2006, 11:05:29 PM »
what specialised equipment exists for air craft rescue?

i say it would be a waste of time, because theres very little point in having one set of specialised rescue equipment in one place in the state.... with the state hazmat vehicle, its slightly differant as hazmats are a slow procedure, not time critical unlike rescue...

besides, if speicialised equipment exists for aircraft incidents, then surely it already exists in the state at adelaide airport, and with companies like transfield??? why not just utilise these resources if need be...

that way we dont have to try to take over another emergency response role. and dont have to worry about the extra training it would entail...

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Re: CFS NEW AIRCRAFT RESCUE UNIT
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2006, 11:31:42 PM »
We've gone through a fair bit of aircraft rescue procedure as we cover a reasonably busy rural airport and all you need is basic knowledge and heavy rescue gear!! The best one we were told was don't walk in front of a fighter jet after it has gone down (as if there would be much left) because if the radar is operating it will basically cook you within a second or two??
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Re: CFS NEW AIRCRAFT RESCUE UNIT
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2006, 11:47:43 PM »
bizzy Raul airports are the key to this thing plus air shows that can't afford filtered tranfild units but ask CFS to do it when the shows over all they have to do is just chuck a slab coldes on the back the truck job done
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Re: CFS NEW AIRCRAFT RESCUE UNIT
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2006, 02:15:03 PM »
We've gone through a fair bit of aircraft rescue procedure as we cover a reasonably busy rural airport and all you need is basic knowledge and heavy rescue gear!! The best one we were told was don't walk in front of a fighter jet after it has gone down (as if there would be much left) because if the radar is operating it will basically cook you within a second or two??

We got told once if it is a military plane dont go near it.  Something to do with the secrets of technology i guess.
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Re: CFS NEW AIRCRAFT RESCUE UNIT
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2006, 02:55:58 PM »
I don't no why they all got the same junk on board more than likey  pics of john howard doing the limbo.HEHEHE
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Re: CFS NEW AIRCRAFT RESCUE UNIT
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2006, 03:04:31 PM »
Surely you can achieve everything you need to in an aircraft rescue with Hydraulic Rescue tools? The majority of an aircraft is made up of material similar to what is being seen in new cars is it not? The only thing that you would need that most RCR appliances don't have is some heavy duty shoring equip.

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Re: CFS NEW AIRCRAFT RESCUE UNIT
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2006, 03:30:13 PM »
no no no iam fine been out in hill billy country too long. but referring to the first question which brigade would you choose if it came down to those 3.
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Re: CFS NEW AIRCRAFT RESCUE UNIT
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2006, 03:39:09 PM »
None. You couldn't have one unit for this you would need multiple units around the state, and even then i don't think it would be worth it, as if something big goes down your going to have a mountain of brigades and equipment on the way so i think a unit like tis would be pointless.
I believe that brigades that have a airport within their primary and very near secondary area should get the relevant training on how to approach planes, positioning of appliance for emergency landings and general knowledge of "whatever you do stay away from this" would be sufficient.
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Re: CFS NEW AIRCRAFT RESCUE UNIT
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2006, 03:57:10 PM »
Does anyone now who's getting the state aircraft rescue unit I have heard Tanunda,Anguston or Williamstown is post to be getting it.

Do any of the mentioned above even have an airstrip?
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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2006, 04:14:37 PM »
yes williamstown has the mt crewford air strip tanunda and anguston has 6 to 7 strips around the valley .
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Re: CFS NEW AIRCRAFT RESCUE UNIT
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2006, 06:14:24 PM »
Would a SAFECOM plane be worth it for transporting specialist teams of people & equipment to the nearest airfield to a large scale incident.

For example, a large HAZMAT or USAR incident at a regional centre (eg Whyalla). Strike Teams to KI rather than commercial flights. Air Observing platform.

....or is this already catered for with the aircraft that already exist within the state (eg Rescue 51).
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Re: CFS NEW AIRCRAFT RESCUE UNIT
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2006, 06:58:19 PM »
Any large scale incident is going to happen at or near a large airport - Adelaide. 

Yes large aircraft can crash elsewhere but are more then likely going to just be a salvage job as its pretty rare for anyone to survive after a 20,000+ feet plummet. 

The only other passenger orientated airports around the state are Mt Gambier, Pt Lincoln & Whyalla.  Which are all covered by MFS who have the RCR capabilities to handle an aircraft rescue.

So really any unit as you have described is pointless unless stationed at these airports.
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Re: CFS NEW AIRCRAFT RESCUE UNIT
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2006, 08:05:08 PM »
acording to an article in Australian Aviation about the Airport fier service at Sydney you have approx 3 min to put the fire out for any hope of survivors.

Back on point Why not give the Brigades with heavy RCR or in the response zones of airstrips some basic tranning.

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Re: CFS NEW AIRCRAFT RESCUE UNIT
« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2006, 08:53:21 PM »
The only training available which would be of any use would be componenets of Public Safety Cert III ~ Respond to Aviation Rescue, or the International Aviation Fire Fighters Training.


Which may I add, is thousands upon thousands of dollars.


My 2c worth.. - This will never happen, if an aviation incident was to occur, outside of the metro area, a response just like any other would occur.  With the possibility of increased Rescue, Hazmat and GP apliances.

There may be *some* limited training to stations that cover fairly active airfields, but I believe this is as far as it would go.

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Re: CFS NEW AIRCRAFT RESCUE UNIT
« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2006, 10:03:44 PM »
Would a SAFECOM plane be worth it for transporting specialist teams of people & equipment to the nearest airfield to a large scale incident.

For example, a large HAZMAT or USAR incident at a regional centre (eg Whyalla). Strike Teams to KI rather than commercial flights. Air Observing platform.

....or is this already catered for with the aircraft that already exist within the state (eg Rescue 51).
This is already catered for with current aircraft, atleast for Hazmat. If you were looking at trying to transport anything bigger than people/small lightweight equipment, then you would need a larger aircraft. I don't think that SAFECOM purchasing its own plane would be economically viable for a handful of uses a year.