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HAZMAT / Re: Mercury '05
« on: October 23, 2005, 03:55:39 PM »
What about Stirling and Eden Hills?

I was a little disappointed that other HAZMAT brigades (particularly those in Region 1) weren't given the opportunity to take part - at least for one of the days.

Let's face it, if something does go down, there will be HAZMAT brigades flooding in left, right and centre from all around the state.

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Country Fire Service / Re: Experience markings
« on: October 23, 2005, 03:51:38 PM »
If their is any doubt, just ask the person what they are competent in...
Exactly.
And although it is only a small thing, simply going up to someone unknown to you and asking them what qualifications they have, rather than looking at their helmet promotes inter-brigade/group communication and interaction. This leads to better inter-group relationships etc.

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HAZMAT / Mercury '05
« on: October 22, 2005, 07:02:45 PM »
What brigades (HAZMAT) were involved in the Mercury '05 exercise?  I see on the promo website that State HAZMAT, Burnside and Athelstone CFS were involved.
What feedback do they have about their role as one of the combatant authorities?
Was it a worth while exercise? I would imagine it would be a great exercise to be a part of, from a HAZMAT point of view anyway.

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All Equipment discussion / Re: NEW 34
« on: October 16, 2005, 09:35:58 PM »
I was wondering if anybody could tell me what the external lighting is like on the new 34's.  Judging from the pictures I have seen, there doesn't seem to be a great deal.

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All Equipment discussion / Re: new level 3 gear (LION)
« on: October 16, 2005, 09:33:08 PM »
Has anyone bought velcro name tags for their PBI yet?
My brigade/group is interested in getting them, but the group equipment officer has had no luck in finding out where to get them made. You'd think Lion Apparell would do them, but I'm pretty sure he said they didn't.
Could be wrong.

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Country Fire Service / Re: The State Logo
« on: October 13, 2005, 04:43:58 PM »
We just cut them out of the volunteer stickers

Yeah, if you can manage to still get your hands on some!

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All Equipment discussion / Re: Helmets
« on: October 12, 2005, 10:09:59 AM »
I heard from my group equipment officer that Pacific are about to bring out a new helmet which is a rural and structural in one.  Apparently it consists of an outer shell which serves as a rural helmet, but if for strucutral purposes, an insert is added to bring it up to a structural standard? Similar to nomex, level 3 liner out -rural, level 3 liner in - structural.  Got no idea how this is going to work though.
The only positive I could see from this would be a uniform look to the CFS with everybody having the same helmet, but some with the strucutral insert, some without depending on peoples qualifications.  I doubt however if people would change at all from what they are currently using.
All in all, I will reserve my judgement until I have seen one and possibly tried one out, but at this stage I definately will not be changing over!

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All Equipment discussion / Re: new level 3 gear (LION)
« on: October 05, 2005, 05:31:02 PM »
Yeah, one of the guys was going to contact region today and find out what is taking so long.

...that is pretty poor at any rate.

Well, one of our sets got damaged - one of the brace stitchings came a drift on a pair of pants - and it took about 5 weeks to get repaired and returned back to our station, however we did receive a relacement set whilst this was happening, thankfully!

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All Equipment discussion / Re: new level 3 gear (LION)
« on: October 05, 2005, 11:51:20 AM »
Has anybody sent their PBI off for cleaning yet, if so what was the turn around like?

My brigade sent two sets off for cleaning 2 weeks ago (and yes they were dirty from structure fires) and as yet have not seen or heard of a replacement set, let alone the return of their own gear.  Something is going wrong some where down the line, whether it be at region or the manufacturers/cleaners (Lion Apparell). So much for the five day turn around and temporary replacement gear deal that we were all promised would be in place!!!

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Country Fire Service / Re: Experience markings
« on: October 02, 2005, 10:58:52 PM »
Burnside tried it with the important Training type of markings, ie. highest level of training so you had a 1, 2 or 3, RCR, BA or HZ (obviously if you have hazmat you already have BA) and first aid green square.... the official respose by CFS HQ. "We don't need to look like boy scouts, take them off!" Ok, so they worked well, looked good, easy to use and was officially granted by the ROPO a while before hand but yeah.... CFS Opinion was straight to the point!

When did this trial take place and for how long? Have you removed these markings as yet?
I ask because in relatively recent (don't know exactly how recent, going on memory) photos I have noticed them.

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All Equipment discussion / Re: new level 3 gear (LION)
« on: September 21, 2005, 05:44:46 PM »
Having worn my PBI recently to two house fires, overall, I am very impressed with the gear from an operational point of view.  It feels very protective, and has some very nice little features that excel it past the nomex gear: The padded knees for one are great when you are kneeling down for extended periods on an external strucural defence - especially when you are carrying around extra weight.  The large "collar" (I can't remember if it has a proper name) really gives good protection, especially if you don't have a flash-hood.  Lastly, it was good to be able to leave my pants on and hose them down afterwards and not get even slightly wet on the inside.  Cleaned up very well, especially since it got reasonably dirty during overhaul.

All in all, great gear!
However, there are still some issues by the sound of things regarding the extent of its usage. In my group, it is for STRUCTURAL fire-fighting use only.

Did i see something about a flash hood in there !!   :-o   hehehe


U weren't the fire fighter in the photos on the promo website, from down south wearing PBI and a f/hood..??


If you look closely, you will find that the BA operator wearing the flash-hood is actually wearing nomex.  There is no BA operator wearing PBI with a flash-hood at those incidents.

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All Equipment discussion / Re: new level 3 gear (LION)
« on: September 16, 2005, 12:23:25 PM »
Having worn my PBI recently to two house fires, overall, I am very impressed with the gear from an operational point of view.  It feels very protective, and has some very nice little features that excel it past the nomex gear: The padded knees for one are great when you are kneeling down for extended periods on an external strucural defence - especially when you are carrying around extra weight.  The large "collar" (I can't remember if it has a proper name) really gives good protection, especially if you don't have a flash-hood.  Lastly, it was good to be able to leave my pants on and hose them down afterwards and not get even slightly wet on the inside.  Cleaned up very well, especially since it got reasonably dirty during overhaul.

All in all, great gear!
However, there are still some issues by the sound of things regarding the extent of its usage. In my group, it is for STRUCTURAL fire-fighting use only.

113
All Equipment discussion / Re: NEW 34
« on: September 16, 2005, 12:03:49 PM »
Does anyone know if the new 34's come with the very nice BA racks like those in the new 34P's?

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All Equipment discussion / Re: Helmets - structure and rural
« on: September 14, 2005, 10:06:39 AM »
Our brigade members have two helmets, ie. structural if they are BA/HAZ/RCR. Personally, I wear my structure helmet everywhere, except on striketeams.
Most of our members also wear their structure helmet to most incidents, providing they have one.

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All Equipment discussion / Re: appliances
« on: August 30, 2005, 12:03:02 PM »
Does anyone know if the CFS is looking into getting more of these URP's built and soon?  It is definitely one area of appliance type that is poorly represented throughout the CFS, a shortfall covered by RUP's ie. the 24P.  I don't know about the pumping capabilities of these trucks, but surely  they would have to be far greater than that of a 24P, consequently making them a key appliance in the CFS's structure.
Also, they seem to have good locker space for CABA, HAZMAT and RCR gear, a feature which the older 24P's seem to lack.

Haven't seen one in action, but certainly would love one of these to replace our 24P.

I don't know what you think, but if you ask me, the CFS is phasing out too many pumpers.  Sure, maybe they are more expensive to build and maintain as well as having a limited roll, but it seems to me that as the urban risk factors confronted by many brigades - and not just suburban fringe brigades - around the state is increasing, the number of pumpers is on a rapid decline???

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Country Fire Service / Mount Barker Fire Cover
« on: August 29, 2005, 02:19:24 PM »
Does this fact that Mount Barker having 2 pumpers in two years time mean that the rumour of an MFS station (retained) being established in Mount Barker is nothing more than fiction?

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All Equipment discussion / Re: Helmets
« on: August 24, 2005, 10:15:37 AM »
Have got a Scott Aspen Level 3 at the moment, but plan to change to Cairns 660 within the next week, am doing a trade.  The newer Scott Aspens are very uncomfortable as they have no padding across the forehead - starts to give you a headache after about 20-30 minutes.  Others have put their own padding in, but it is something we shouldn't have to do ourselves.  May need the attention of a near miss form.  Secondly, the visor is very hard to adjust and often crack because of this.
Cairns 660 for me - an oldy, but a goody.

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SA Firefighter General / Re: Combining the services
« on: August 19, 2005, 01:35:15 PM »
Personally, I would like to see the CFS and SES join to form one service.  I feel that in the long run this would solve the many number of problems now being faced in  smaller rural regions where the existence of the two services in one town is becoming harder and harder to support, especially those maintaining a volunteer SAAS also.
Initially, you might loose a few members who don't like the concept, but you will find that those people there for the right reasons will continue on.  It would almost certainly nulify any CFS, SES competition between services and unite the common goals of both and multiply there effect significantly, thus providing an even better service for the community.
I even have a name, what about the "Country Fire and Rescue Service".

I know that this concept would not be applicable for all situations, but definately for the more rural regions and those having trouble supporting two services.

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All Equipment discussion / Re: Stucture gloves
« on: August 17, 2005, 02:59:38 PM »
green gloves for everything

Have got a pair (or two) of these myself, but I only use them for general firefighting eg. grass fires, hose drill etc etc.

I feel that this is one of the things CFS is neglecting to crack down on or develop.   We are getting the very best in "structural firefighting garments" eg. pbi gold, but we are not bothering to specify an equally protective glove that MUST be used in conjunction with it, nor for that matter level 3 nomex. (for structural fire fighting).

"A chain is only as strong as its weakest link."

(a similar arguement to that of the flashoods)

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Forum Suggestions / Re: monthly calls
« on: August 17, 2005, 02:51:16 PM »
...I think the Incident Operations section serves the purpose and I'm personally only interested in hearing about specific jobs, not in July 2005 ABC Brigade did 10 fixed alarms, 8 wheelie bin fires, 7 stop calls and 2 MVA's :-) This may interest other list members though, so let us know what you think!

Quite right! I would like to hear about the more interesting call-outs, rather than know about the 20 fixed alarms your brigade attended in one month.  I also feel it puts too much emphasis on call quantities rather than call qualities.

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SA Firefighter General / Re: PROTECTIVE HOOD
« on: August 17, 2005, 02:41:36 PM »
I am still chasing up the source of my DGO's information regarding the use of falshoods, but on another note, I saw a regional officer wearing a flashood at a gas prop training - He wasn't actually wearing it, it was pulled down around his neck????

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Other Government Agencies / Re: What the SES does
« on: August 16, 2005, 12:25:31 PM »
Up until a couple of years ago (3 or 4), we were a joint CFS/SES "unit" in which the majority of people were CFS and SES members.  We would jointly crew rescue apliances as necessary for MVA's.
However a split occured and this caused a bit of trouble between the two services, in terms of people being able to commit themselves between the two. Fortunately, CFS retained most memebrs, but SES lost quite a few, consequently the reason why we have so many CFS RCR trained crew. However, today we still have several joint members and this does not present many, if any problems for the crew.

Our situation today, with SES as descrbied by Mike is similar to that of 'mengcfs'.  SES are the primary rescue tender for our area, however being that our CFS has a number of trained and experienced CFS RCR members (about 7 or 8 I think), we carry a set of RCR gear on our 24P.  It is very old and very heavy, second hand gear, but there have been a couple of times when we have come very close to using it.  Hopefully, we are getting another second hand set of gear very soon.  I have heard it is much newer than the antiques we have, and most importantly much lighter.  However, I would like our brigade to eventually get a Holmatro Rapid Intervention set - one day anyway.

Our aim - which has been put in place and is nearly complete - is to get our CFS brigade in the "official" position of secondary rescue response, in which if SES have trouble providing a full crew, which sometimes happens, especially during the day time, then a CFS RCR member(s) will make up the rescue team.  Also, if CFS arrive on scence before SES and their ETA is greater than 5 minutes, then we (CFS) will begin the rescue and SES on arrival will work in with their RCR crew and 'very nice' equipment to make sure that the rescue continues to run smoothly and efficiently.

Quite recently, we have had a couple of rescues where both our services have done exactly this - worked togther smoothly and efficiently.  Also, we have done some joint RCR training and definitely look to do much more of it in the very near future.

At the end of the day, we both share a common goal of providing the best service we can to the community and if this means we both share the rcr role to a certain degree, be it that SES are still the primary tender, then I don't think there is anybody who will disagree, especially myself.

In todays world, when the people willing to become RCR trained crew are getting harder and harder to find -like most thiings- it is impecable that services put their past and differences behind them and work together as a team, no matter what colour overalls they are wearing.

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All Equipment discussion / Stucture gloves
« on: August 12, 2005, 01:10:38 PM »
What type/brand of structural fire-fighting glove does your brigade currently use.

Several months age, my group bought a box of CSI structure gloves.  They are the top of the range, compartment fire fighting style glove with inner water and vapour barriers etc etc. (not cheap either!) However, after a few months of usage we have found that the inner liners are too easily pulled out of place when you take your glove off.  This is due to the fact that the inner liners are not stiched to the fingers, as this would obviuosly break the water and vapour barriers.  Anyway, it means that every time you use the glove and take it off, you spend 10 minutes jamming your hand and fingers in the glove trying to put the liner back into its correct place.  Consequently, once you have got them on, you are reluctant to take them off, especially at an incident when you don't have ten minutes to spare.

The problem we are having is that because of this, our CABA operators are tending to be discouraged from using the structure gloves, rather using the standard leather fire-fighting gloves for CABA training and incidents.  Not a good thing if you ask me.

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SA Firefighter General / Re: PROTECTIVE HOOD
« on: August 12, 2005, 12:59:47 PM »
Regarding the use of falshhoods;

I was at my group training meeting last night and was told by the deputy GO that flashoods can now be used by CFS personell for structural fire fighting use. 

However, I don't beleive there is a CFS standard flashhood yet as he said the CFS couldn't decide whether to adopt the American or British standard.  This is due to the fact that they both use different types and there are a lot of different brands. 

Unfortunately though, the CFS has said that they will be at a groups expense.  So those groups with a lot of money to spare will probably buy them for all there CABA operatrs and those without enough money to spare will probably have to go without for the time being.

This is just what I was told, but don't take it for granted.

On another note, I thought that flashhoods might have been incorporated into the pbi "structural fire-fighting suits", but obviously not.

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All Equipment discussion / Re: new level 3 gear (LION)
« on: August 10, 2005, 10:08:54 AM »
I have been informed from a group level that the use of pbi gold is restricted ONLY to structural fire-fighting and it is not approved for useage at any other type of incident, including MVA's , HAZMAT etc.  This is where our nomex/proban ppe comes into play.

Brigades using pbi for multi-purpose incidents have been given misleading information, however this gets back to my previous point regarding a CFS directive.

Anyway, looks like I might be needing to take two sets of gear to some call outs, just in case a structure fire eventuates from a non-structural call-out.  Don't know how practical it will be in the long run?

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