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General Discussion => Country Fire Service => Topic started by: Master of Disaster on November 22, 2008, 11:19:07 AM
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Why are Burnside Responding to RCR Basket Range? :?
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it was Adelaide Fire's choice and 2 brigades for an entrapment is worthwhile to ensure a crew responds.
rally control thinks Norton Summit and Ashton are two different brigades haha
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Im guessing its the pre determined response per the Rally's fire & rescue guide.
Roads closed and acess only from one end.
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Don't burnside respond into east torrens quite often?
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Athelstone are RCR in East torrens group but don't get responded :? :roll:
Burnside want our turf :lol:
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id would hope Athelstone would only cover RCR until cherryville, any further south and youd take forever to get places....
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Don't burnside respond into east torrens quite often?
Burnside brigade is geographically more aligned with East Torrens group than Lofty group, in fact they really dont have much common ground with Lofty group, do they?
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Don't burnside respond into east torrens quite often?
Burnside brigade is geographically more aligned with East Torrens group than Lofty group, in fact they really dont have much common ground with Lofty group, do they?
But you cant have brigades responding into other groups areas.... even if there closer, more appropriate, etc..
What are you? Dumb or sumfink????? :-D
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that one was a 'special' response for the rally, ie. rally control asked for specific brigades depending on what roads were closed, rally stages in action etc. For that response that Basket Range special stage was halted for appliances/ambos/etc to enter from Ashton end. There was also somewhat strangely both Rally Control and Adelaide Fire both answering on 124 and comms for the incident being done on 124. Sounded like a nasty crash too.
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There is a pre determined response, as per the Classic Adelaide plan.
Unfortunately, it appears it wasn't followed correctly.
However, the responding of Stirling and Burnside as Rescue WAS correct, as per the plan.
The driver was trapped quite well in his vehicle, and it did take some time to extract him.
Pip
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Why are Burnside Responding to RCR Basket Range? :? :? :roll: :x :x
Why do people that don't crew very well have goes at brigades that do crew well all the time? :? :? :roll: :x :x
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I was just asking the question as I had not seen the rally response plan.
Yes we do have weekday crewing problems but I guess that happens when everyone works :roll:
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What a chump Master of Disaster....you must be from NSA, and must have been brought up under your ex Captains strange regime.
Lets bash a brigade that can crew, and respond correct resources...
No wonder I don't come on here much anymore....No wonder CFS are so screwed.
Sick of this crap. I hope the CFS folds.
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Does it matter who's area it is as long as (1) a fire/rescue appliance gets there
(2) the home brigade is contacted that another brigade/group are at a job in their area. We all have day and night time crewing problems,so if you want to come and help good on ya....
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What a chump Master of Disaster....you must be from NSA, and must have been brought up under your ex Captains strange regime.
Lets bash a brigade that can crew, and respond correct resources...
No wonder I don't come on here much anymore....No wonder CFS are so screwed.
Sick of this crap. I hope the CFS folds.
bat, ball and dummy replacement needed aisle 3
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bat, ball and dummy replacement needed aisle 3
Hahaha, good call.
He's acting like all the bickering is new to him! I thought the only thing that happened in this thread was standard CFS business...
How many times have we all seen the first thing off the second arriving truck is the OIC, with Map Book in hand screaming about "response boundaries" and the like...?
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err I am lost? i have no idea what the problem with Burnside coming into east Torrens is. they come up quite a bit. which makes sense since East Torrens only RCR brigade is Athelstone and they are in the northern edge of the group kind of tucked away unto them selves.
Problems arise when groups deiced to keep jobs to their own brigades when others are closer......
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Groups boundaries should have no operational factor other than Group officers response and Strike Teams. Simple.
Want a automatic 2nd alarm response for a total fire ban day? 4 closest Brigades (might end upwith 3-6 appliances) on the inital page.
Response type: Grass Fire TFB.
Fire Location: Ambelside.
Response: Bridgewater, Hahndorf, Oakbank/balhannah and Carey Gully (4 Groups haha)
thats when ull have a mad dash of the Group duty officers on claiming response area!
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Zippy, that would be an easy one, they would work it out like the Mature responsible adults they are using the RPS method! The CFS SOP, for situations like what you've described! :wink:
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im guessing uve left the "RPS" abbrevation open for any form of interpretation ;)
Numbers your thoughts on what RPS might mean? :P
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I dont know why this is an issue as apart from a predetermined Rally response, RCR is defined by the RCRD Green Book.
With two RCR brigades attending, if you were the one trapped in the vehicle you would'nt care who showed up to cut you out :wink:
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If brigades have no data on responses which 95% do not, then the RCR directory is based on suburbs. You will find with CAD that if it is done correctly it will not matter who is friends with who or what group you are from if a brigade is closer then so be it...
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I dont know why this is an issue as apart from a predetermined Rally response, RCR is defined by the RCRD Green Book.
and best laid plans always leave something to be desired- especially when it comes to motorsport....
...and if you knew who was in rally control and on the ground co-ordinating medical and fire.....would you all be throwing stones??
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I believe now I did start a very stupid topic on this and I wish to apologize to the people of this forum for not thinking before I speak or write :oops:
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I would personally not worry about the question.
I think a lot of people at incidents in the future, will comment quietly 'why the hell is that brigade/unit vehicle here'. At least until they adjust to the proper response plans that do not worry about administrative boundaries.
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I dont know why this is an issue as apart from a predetermined Rally response, RCR is defined by the RCRD Green Book.
With two RCR brigades attending, if you were the one trapped in the vehicle you would'nt care who showed up to cut you out :wink:
Don't bet on it. I don't mean to be racist but if I crashed south of home in another groups area I'd be asking for either Penola or Millicent to be responded not a certain other emergency service
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And there are other areas where the I would prefer that the responsible ESO doesn't bother leaving the shed.
It goes back to what Numbers said(and was howled down for) in another thread, Trained & Professional, no volunteer ESO can currently guarantee this 24/7 out of every brigade or unit in the state. Quite simply there are pockets of excellence, large areas of meets minimum requirement - just & some who are very scary!
And yet when some thing is said the unit/ brigade, group or service puts up the walls, buries the collective head in the sand & the vollies attack the source of criticism (if you dont believe me - have a look at this forum for example).
A common solution is give everything to CFS - sorry guys but I have seen various brigades in action, and some are challenged putting out a simple fire.
People when it suits refer to the green book, yet it is largly ignored in a whole range of areas, by a whole range of people.
People say SACAD will sought it out, again sorry but currently a lot of the cracks are covered by "insider knowledge" so a lot of the poor performance does not happen because better brigades/ units are responded to certain jobs despite protests by the "closest resource".
And when it all goes pearshaped the collective volunteer finger is pointed at various payed staff & the organisation/government, with the comment of after all we are volunteers. SA is not unique in having this problem, but just wont admit it! Instead more money please as this will solve everything!
And if you think what I'm say is bs then every post on this site should be positive and supportive & Master of Disaster should never had started this thread as he would have already been told about the response plan by his captain :wink: Think about!
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Back on track people,.....now where were we, that's right we weren't sure whether we were bagging Burnside or Race control, or whether it was all just a big tadoo about nothing and the victim was extricated quickly and effectively :-D
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"Why isn't MY Brigade rescue and hazmat and USAR and Confined space and vert rescue and and and and..."
I think THATS where we were...
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Alright I'm annoyed for 2 reasons, firstly you sound like a bunch of bickering children and secondly because this is what I believe is a misuse of a forum.
Point 1: As I see it you are annoyed because you aren't responding to things that you believe you should, well listen up princess DEAL WITH IT! Someone else decides who responds to incidents for specific reasons that might not be apparent to you. I personally don't care if Kangaroo Island or the CFA in Victoria respond to something on my stations doorstep as long as:
(a) Everyone goes home safely.
(b) There is minimum property damage.
(c) There is minimum environmental damage.
(d) The job is done nice and easily, quickly and a good job is done.
Point 2: Because of what I believe this topic is about (see point 1) I believe it to be a misused forum, I am fairly sure the idea of a forum is to have a place to write what you think about certain things. For this forum topics such as what do you think about the new 34P or how could we modify the crew deck to make it more effective would be appropriate not things like this stuff about who is responding to things they shouldn't.
A forum should be a productive place to share ideas about what you think about things in a productive manner or to post a questions on how things could be done, example "what drills do the brigades do for a running grass fire" this can than give all the brigades ideas on how to further aid their training program.
I'm sorry if I have the wrong picture about what the topic is about but I want to put my bit in from my perspective. I am sorry for any inconvenience if this topic is about a potential safety hazard due to responses to incorrect brigades, to me it seams like your having a whine about not getting the responses you want.
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Don't waste your breath. It has been said time and time again, but the reality is any thread that is complaining about an incorrect response will continue for days, if not months, but any thread that is an attempt at decent discussion that is related to actual fire and rescue operations or equipment dies out in a matter of hours.
Yes it sucks, but apparently thats the way that people on this forums seem to like things. On the other hand you have to wonder about the majority of a group of people who apparently know alot about everything fire and rescue related, yet they cannot indulge in decent discussion outside of crying about not being called to jobs, or operations not being done "Correctly".
I would give all of my appendages for decent Fire and Rescue discussion here, as I believe that we can afford people oppourtunities to dicuss things that they may not be able to at a brigade level, as well as to reinforce the skills that are currently taught. It also allows brigade A to see how brigade Z works and to perhaps share good ides that other brigades have had.
Untill the entire attitude of the forums changes, this will not occur.
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its to true.
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Maybe it's time to look at another option like getting another brigade in east torrens kitted with rapid intervention?
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Why, Rapid intervention doesn't even count in the response plans.
And as for brigades helping themselves to other brigades in their group before the other closer appliances from other groups, well saw a good example of that tonight. Bless their souls they are that ingrained with responding brigades from their own group they can't think outside the box.
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Maybe it's time to look at another option like getting another brigade in east torrens kitted with rapid intervention?
JUST...RESPOND....BURNSIDE.
Edstar, for your brigade, Norton Summit, Your "northern" RCR brigade is Athelstone, your "Central/West/East" is Burnside, and "Southern" is Stirling. Simple??..response plans DONE.
Topic complete. sorry, i just hear this rant a gazzlions times already.
COLLINGWOOD SUCK!~
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Edster, its that kind of thinking that keeps your group in the dark ages......we all know you guys hate Burnside with a passion, but lets face it, you need them.... :-D
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We dont hate them as much as you think :-D im sure everyone has something against them but oh well i think thats with every brigade (no brigade is perfect) and yes exactly right we do need them...
our group in the dark ages? oh please explain?
Stirling dont cover NSA for resuce its either Burnside or Athelstone and Stirling can be responded as a back up.
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Stirling dont cover NSA for resuce its either Burnside or Athelstone and Stirling can be responded as a back up.
Assuming NSA is Norton Summit Ashton? As per green book:
Norton Summit is Athlestone with Burnside as backup
Ashton is Burnside with Stirling as backup.
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Maybe it's time to look at another option like getting another brigade in east torrens kitted with rapid intervention?
Just give them all an i-Load............
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Maybe it's time to look at another option like getting another brigade in east torrens kitted with rapid intervention?
JUST...RESPOND....BURNSIDE.
Edstar, for your brigade, Norton Summit, Your "northern" RCR brigade is Athelstone, your "Central/West/East" is Burnside, and "Southern" is Stirling. Simple??..response plans DONE.
Topic complete. sorry, i just hear this rant a gazzlions times already.
COLLINGWOOD SUCK!~
Probably a first Zippy, but I totally agree with your post, they have a name for events like this its called a ................anomaly! :-D
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We dont hate them as much as you think :-D im sure everyone has something against them.
Edster, ignorance breeds hate, think for yourself and don't get caught up in historical bulllshit, its just that, historical bulllshit!
Besides Burnside will be part of East Torrens group one day! :mrgreen:
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