SA Firefighter
General Discussion => OFF Topic => Topic started by: bajdas on March 09, 2006, 09:01:20 AM
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The SES operation orders were issued last night and this included the roster of personnel. So between 16 and 19 SES volunteers will be on the race track surrounds from Thurs 23rd to Sun 26th March.
If you are going to the race, come and visit our SES Field Command centre. Three SES rescue vehicles and two SES bicycles will be on site each day.
We will be south of the Competitor Medical Centre, which is near gate 2, Angus St entrance.
Is anyone else going to the V8 race ?
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Andrew, What units are going?
Norlunga, Sturt, Metro South????
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Roster include members from Enfield, State HQ Unit, Eastern, Tea Tree Gully, Clare, Metro South, Sturt, Northern Districts, Noarlunga and Strathalbyn.
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will definately see you there! :D
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might see you there - I will be hiding in a red suit and balaclava :-D
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I always new Santa would turn into a criminal one day, I feel sorry for all those children that believed he was a hero... :cry:
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might see you there - I will be hiding in a red suit and balaclava :-D
hehehe... same
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Ill be the one with the holden apparel on ;) lol
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Dont worry about going Mike, stay at home and spare the disappoinment when you see 3 fords cross the line :-D
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HEHE and so starts an age old debate... well see on the sunday! :D
Besides we all know there is more to look at than just the cars! ;) :evil: 8-) :roll:
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Definitely sun glasses required. :roll:
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might see you there - I will be hiding in a red suit and balaclava :-D
On the assumption that means you are part of the on-track fire/accident crew
For my curiosity:
I know that race flag marshals need to attend a certain amount of races beforew CAMS will allow them on track. SO.....
What is it like to be part of the fire crash crew at a car race ?
What extra training do you need to do ?
Are you in constant tension, or is it a relax until an incident happens ?
How much extra water would you drink being in the fire suit all day ?
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Extra training depends on weather you do it week in week out with the SA Motorsport Fire and Rescue Organisation, WFW.. Like some of us do.. Or whether you are a first timer.. Have fire background.. etc etc..
You can tell those guys/gurls from the different fire suits, they say - MOTORSPORT FIRE AND RESCUE on the back...
There are clipsal training and fire extinguisher days which is compolsury for first timers on the V8 Track, there is inductions and saftey briefs each morning before each race day also...
And you are always under the direction of the Chief point/sector steward depending on where you are located.. (you can't just run out on the track willy-nilly...) - Just cause a car hits the wall, doesn't mean the one doing 200kmp/h behind it is going to stop cause you look like santa !
This is my fifth year as part of the Clipsal fire and rescue crew, and fifth year as a SA Motorsport Fire and Rescue member also... Attending numerous and various race meets throughout the year .. (including Sprintcars, drags, track days, mallala events.. list goes on) ! Its all good fun !
In answer to the quesitons..
For my curiosity:
I know that race flag marshals need to attend a certain amount of races beforew CAMS will allow them on track... - Answer - I believe there is like a ... probationary period as a learner or beginner to Flag Marshalling... But if they are new they will be under supervision .. Just like E4 fire and rescue members withought there full (un-supervised) license..
It is taken in turns during the day to 'un-suit' or sit a race out... get to cool down, have a seat, etc etc.. Except during the V8's when all members must be suited up and standing by...
And yea, lots of water is always consumed ... normally a pretty warm 4 days !!
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Answeres as per strikeathird!
A Training day is held prior to the event (for non motor sport fire and rescue crews) and new marshalls, other than that most are fire fighters either career or volunteer and have a wealth of experience
Wouldn't say there is tension - there is always readiness and being prepared should an event occur, however having done all of the Clipsals, LeMans, couple of F1's and also the Indy have only had to react a handful of times and only once pulled the pin on an extinguisher - that said, you are aways on your feet watching and waiting.
As for water, I drink more in a day during these events than I would normally in a week!
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We have 5 members of my brigade who are fire marshalls and they all have a good time and have done all the training and have bought the red overalls that is needed to do the job.. Hope all going have a good time and enjoy the fun and spills
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a guy in my brigade is also is a marshal. He's been doing it for years. Got into it coz his sons a fair good rally driver
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Go the Falcons!!!!!!!!!
Lowndsie is the man. geez I was tempted to walk into the holden ent and yell "Go Ford!" :-P
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How'd it go Oz and Striker?
Were the MFS there in case the re-fuelling area's caught on fire?
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MEts have appliances there for any thing INSIDE the centre ..eg.. Not on track.. So if a pantech caught alight.. Mets would tend to it.. If a food thing caught alight.. Mets would attend to it..
They also have an appliance and a foam dump in the centre incase something MAJOR happens... eg.. the Fuel stores, or something like that goes up..
They dont go on track tho.. WFW fire units carry Hydrolic Rescue tools, and Rescue 5 carries Heavy Rescue..
I guess if they were REALLY required.. for a MASSIVE rescue operaiton.. they could be used..
But cant see it happening..
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Saw 2 near the fuel area's. One was in the centre fuel area, close too the main arena. Th eother by the old granstand. Also saw the little MFS unit, the grass fire one near the track. Where were you situated?
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FALCON POWER!
First Lowndes now Whincup, what a great race!
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No weaker than a Canter 14
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:wink:
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Ha, they would sheit on a canter !
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probie,dont knock it till you have used it or seen it at work :evil:
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Why does Adelaide have one of those little beasts? Would think Salisbury have better use for it as they always have grass fires.
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Your not picking on our Tonka's are u!!! :-D (Tonka Tough!)
All I can say is that looks can be deceiving, as these little trucks don't do too bad for what they are.
Ours looks a bit funny though in the close presence of the Scania!!
Regards, Mat
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Well, once again another good show. Crowd records, great concerts.... damn fords :wink: :-D
look forward to doing it all again next year....
Wonder how many forum people I actually talked to ???? hehe
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i haven't tried it, i said it LOOKED like it was weak. Personally i think its pointless for inner suburb/city brigades to even have them. just use the damn scania
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Just shhh. .. no idea.
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Just shhh. .. no idea.
hahaha priceless, and so true.
i haven't tried it, i said it LOOKED like it was weak. Personally i think its pointless for inner suburb/city brigades to even have them. just use the damn scania
of course, you are realsising there are plenty of places in and around the adelaide suburbs where a 4wd could be required to acess rubbish/grass/any fires... gonna be a pita if u have to wait half an hour to get one from wherever the shmell...
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Go the damn Fords!!!!
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I have been thinking about becoming a Clispal 500 fire crew member for quite some time now strikeathird... how do i go about signing up is there a company who employs the crew or do i need to place in an application somewhere :?
If theres a website where i can sign up at please tell me :-D
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Clipsal 500 fire crew is voluntary. You need certain training levels from CFS or MFS to be able to do it. Others on this group will have more info.
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whatever, ROSA's are good. i've given up my argument. clearly i ain't gonna win this one!
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The ROSA that sits in Adelaide station (2014) is actually setup as a CBR / Hazmat support vehicle. It carries all sorts of Hazmat gear and is basically designed to be able to supplement 206 at a CBR job or run a second job independently. It has a pump mainly for decon use. It's not actually used for firefighting - unlike the one at Largs North that goes to all grassies and house fires on the Le Fevere Peninsula.
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I have been thinking about becoming a Clispal 500 fire crew member for quite some time now strikeathird... how do i go about signing up is there a company who employs the crew or do i need to place in an application somewhere :?
If theres a website where i can sign up at please tell me :-D
Application forms usually go round in december ... Remind me then and ill forward you on a copy..
You have to to a training day, as a first timer.. and be classed.. .I guess as COmpetent..
You also need a CAMS license, with a minimum of Cat. E, grade 4 - Supervised. This covers Emergency category, specialising in Fire and Rescue, and as you would be a trainee license 4 you need to be supervised by a fully qualified CAMS license holder... (No major biggie.. there are new guys every year).. so yea, get onto CAMS about getting a license ... www.cams.com.au .. look for Officials Licensing and download the PDF and send it in..
When the time comes, remind me or one of the others on here and im sure we can get a App. Form going your way..
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Thanks for the website strikeathird it seems like i'll need to down load the level 4 application form as well as a trainee officals form as well but i'll be doing this thrusday as i've got to get a new black ink jet cartridge for my printer
You never know i might end up being on the crew for Clipsal 500 next year if all goes to plan :-D
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K.
btw. The cams licenses forms / application forms are just the cams aspects. You will still need to do the V8 event officials application forms and then the Fire Crew forms which then go to selection.
But, like I said they dont come out till around december...
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Whats a big red santa suit and balaclava and cams licenses usually cost?
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Red suite about $250 to $300 you can claim it back on tax I think????
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I dont pay tax :lol: :-P
How can you get it from tax, cant you only get stuff on tax if it is for work, or helping you work better. I know my mum who is a nurse is doing a Senior first aid course and getting it out of tax, while I have to get mine through CFS.
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Have a good tax agent,you can also buy them on EBAY
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Fire suit.. bout $280 ish from Revoloution Race Gear. Tell them its for Fire MArshalling..
Balaclava.. bout $40..
CAMS license.. Free.. just gotta put the forms in..
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Well i have printed a officals licence application from the cams website strikeathird but would i need to print off a trainee licence application even though i've had experience at other events such as the Coonawarra Drags and International Pedal Prix in Murray Bridge
Cause i have been apart of the fire & rescue response crew a few times at Coonawarra Drags and a radio communications officer at the International Pedal Prix
Im not sure that the experience at non cams racing events counts :?
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DOnt worry about the CAMS trainee license form, they will send that to you in a CAMS license book when you send in all your paperwork..
As much as it is good practical experience.. No, the drags nor pedal prix will count for anything as it is not a CAMS endorsed event.
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Being that i have no cams motor sport officiating experince i might as well just put down the fire & rescue training that i have done in the last 4 years whihc will include that Emergency Response Warden Certificate course which i did last year :-D
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For a cams license it doesnt matter mate... You are will be getting a trainee license so they will " Train you " in what you need to know...
EG.. If u apply and get selected for clipsal.. you go to a training day the month before.. which you get signed off as doing.. that goes on your license.. then.. the 4 day motor sport even counts as your training... You can then apply for a standard E4 grading..
Writing about fire warden training is a waste of ink mate.. I dont think it asks for previous experience.. if it does just write No Motor sport experience... However blah years as a CFS firefighter.. or sumthing..
Its not a huge thing mate... dont stress too much !
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so so so much paperwork :-o
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EVERYTHING with cams requires alot of paperwork.. Alot of imdemnities (sp) , alot of policies etc etc... And remember.. Motorsport is dangerous... Officials have been killed before working at meets across the country.. Its not something to take on lightly...
You can be a fire figter for 40 years... But at your first motor sport meet and first incident you will learn something new.. gaurentee it !
Good luck to any one else applying for CAMS licenses and wanting to work at various race meets around the country... With responsibility and a little care, it can be the best times of your life too !!
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Good luck to any one else applying for CAMS licenses and wanting to work at various race meets around the country... With responsibility and a little care, it can be the best times of your life too !!
A friend of mine who is a member of a 4wd club is now CAMS licenced. The 4wd club provides recovery vehicles for dirt buggy races and the event was transferred to CAMS for insurance purposes.
Another is a low official at the Classic Adelaide rally which is a CAMS event.
So there are many ways to become involved. Understandably, it would be harder for 'fire & rescue' CAMS people.
Congrats to all volunteers who do this. Otherwise we would not have motor-sport events.
Thanks from a rev head :evil:
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Yea, there are are number of areas you can get cams accreditation for...
From Scrutineers to paddock support marshals, to flag, to track, to tow, recovery, Drivers support, medial, fire, spectator control list goes on... Every person who works "track side" or in the moat at a Motorsport event, needs to be licensed under CAMS for insurance purposes..
And you are correct, CAMS licensing and regs state that any CAMS motorsport event, must have Fire, Flag and Medical onsite.. so without the volunteers, a Race would Literately not go ahead !
:)
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Classic Adelaide is not CAMS affiliated
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I believe you may be correct.. I remember hearing something about Private insurance being required last year.. ?
Any way.. Best stay on-topic..
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Clipsal500 is done and dusted, topic now seems to have moved onto CAMS affiliation.
If you get selected to be a fire marshall for the F1, do you have to pay for accomodation and flights etc or do they pay?
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If you want to go fire marshalling at the Grand Prix or Indy you have to pay all your own way. Accomodation, interstate travel etc.
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Correct ^. You pay for everything except for track entry. You also get 2 , 4 day guest passes for friends / family. You also get your fire suit, balaklava and gloves supplied.. Which get handed back, and you get them given out again if you come back the next year, etc etc.
So yes.. you pay your own way..
Not like the yankee INdy Fire and rescue, Team kool Green.. Payed to work fire and rescue for indy around the world !! 8-)
What a job.
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I sent my CAMS officals licence application form away on friday and hope to get my trainee pack some time this week coming so i can fill that in and be picked for the 2007 Clipsal 500 Fire & Rescue team when applications coem around during December (note to self remind strikeathird about application forms for the Clipsal 500 F&R Team in december)
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I know this topic is so many months old but im just posting to inform every one that i got my CAMS Officials Trainee Licence in the mail today and only need to get 3 days of racing activity signed off before getting my actual licence :-D
It seems that they dont send CAMS licence books now only the Officials Trainee Licence Application form and a copy of cams racing magazine
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congrats and good luck!
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Thanks probie_boy :-D
Im gonna go to the South East Automobile Club this Thursday night and arrange to attend some events before getting upgraded to a Grade 4 officials licence
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You will love it!
Hows all your PPE for motor sport????
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I got my first event this sunday at SEAC park just outside of Mount Gambier and i'll be a recovery official
When it comes to applying for Clipsal 500 duties next year i'll have to get some PPE which his best suited for motorsport Fire & Rescue Standby
I currently have 2 sets of one piece overalls and 1 pair of 2 piece overalls so the 2 piece set will have to be used unless im issued with PPE before Clipsal 500
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cant really use CFS gear mate unless your there as the CFS....
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Pull the CFS patches off.... Did I say that :evil:
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Oh ok so it looks like ill need to get some motorsport Fire & Rescue PPE then
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Robert you will need the red suite that is the go cams can tell you where to get it,you can not were CFS gear so do the right thing and buy the red suite.........
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I am planning to ask about the red suite after getting 3 CAMS events signed off by the South East Automobile Club... after all i'll need a red suite for the 2007 Clipsal 500 if i go
This sunday im a trainee recovery offical at SEAC Park not sure how long the event is gonna run for but i need to be there at 9am to sign in
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have fun robert......
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I will rescue5271 as I'm really excited :lol:
Plus ill be arranging to attend Khanacross round 3 the very next sunday and Motorkhana round 4 on June the 25th this will get my trainee licence upgraded to grade 4 in no time 8-)
However this might change pending on other committents most likely family related but not sure if my sister is coming down next month to get her first car which is the telstar i dove while my other car was out of action for motor repairs
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A telstar!? :-o :oops:
Drive a ute, not a telstar :-P
Have an awesome time Rob, hopefully you will be trackside at CLipsal in '07.
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Thats what i am aiming for P_F to be trackside at Clipsal 500 2007 maybe we might be on the same trackside fire & rescue crew... just out of curiosity does CAMS also pay for tickets if i want to take family or friends along with me :?
Also P_F the telstar that i drove for a short time was the only backup car my parents could obtain on such short notice being that i was working for Green Corps at the time
If my sis comes down in the next month or so the telstar will be hers as she hasnt got a high paid job to afford an expensive vehicle
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Im not with CAMS or anything yet so cant ehlp you with any of that.
Thats alright bout the car, just givin you a bit of stick. Got nothing against them. 8-)
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My first CAMS event went really well today and i got event 1 signed with only 2 more to be signed before getting the licence upgraded to grade 4 :-D
If i get the trainee licence signed off altogether in a short time SEAC might ask me to be their fire marshall for events as they dont have an official one at all 8-)
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Hope you had fun Robert,it would have been cold there today.... :-o
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Nah it wasnt cold at all as i was sitting on the back of the recovery ute with my supervisor all day watching cars zoom by
However due to only 18 cars turning up we finished at 2:00pm much earlier than expected... although i did have fun listening to Auto cross radio traffic on my UHF handheld :-D
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Sorry about the double post everyone but just out of curiosity say after i have gotten my CAMS trainee licence signed off at 2 more events 1 more after this Sunday and upgraded to a Grade 4 licence
Would i be able to become South East Automobile Club's Fire & Rescue Marshal after getting my Grade 4 licence in the mail as they dont have an acutal fire marshal for their events
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:roll:I dont Know may be call CAMS and ask them..
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yeah, rob you should become the marshal. Then you can buy the set of PBI for sale on ebay. :wink:
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At least Robert is doing something and is enthusiastic. Better than other slugs I know.
Just needs to aim the enthusiasm with guidance....
Quit picking on the poor bloke :|
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Thats what i am aiming for P_F to be trackside at Clipsal 500 2007 maybe we might be on the same trackside fire & rescue crew... just out of curiosity does CAMS also pay for tickets if i want to take family or friends along with me :?
Robert - good to hear your enjoying it - it's a great past tiome and is usually fun to watch - rarely do you see much action, but track side seats are second to none!
In relation to the tickets - with all previous Clipsals - Marshals have been suplied with their ticket and a guest ticket, the last year marshals were also given guest general entry tickets - aimed at enabling family to come in - however that seams to change each year - but you will alsways get at least one guest pass
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At least Robert is doing something and is enthusiastic. Better than other slugs I know.
Just needs to aim the enthusiasm with guidance....
Quit picking on the poor bloke :|
oh yeah, I don't have any malice in those comments. its lighthearted. :-D
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Robert,
Any motorsport event in SA, which is CAMS affiliated, (eg operates under CAMS licenses), requires Flaggys, Ambos and Firerys.. the Flaggys are SAFMA, firerys are WFW, and Ambos usually SAAS.. / Motorsport Medical services.
Don't think u can become the" South East Fire Marshal " as i doubt an official title exists... an any events which operate under CAMS would require the teams I listed above...
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I agree strikeathird it maybe bit impossible to become SEAC's Fire Marshal but theres no harm in asking
Plus at the autocross the other week we only had recovery,timers,first aid & stewards the director would have put me on fire duty but since they didnt have a trained fire marshal on hand thats why i was put on recovery
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It seems im gonna have to wait for another few weeks until the 25 of June to get my 2nd event signed off as the khanacross was cancelled due to insufficent number of entrants
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Robert, are those events CAMS ?
EG. Are they endorsed by CAMS ?
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Yes strikeathird the events i have been talking about are CAMS endorsed as they run by the South East Automobile Club because SEAC has to get permits from CAMS to run these events
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I was under the impression any event, licensed and andorsed by cams (eg. covered by CAMS insurance).. required Medical, Fire and Flag teams at the event at all times.
Yet you said this event did not have fire cover, yet is CAMS endorsed ?
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the thlot pickens...
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SES have crew at the 2007 race this year. Mostly the same as last year but woirking closely with SAAS, St John and SAPOL.
SES Field Command is located near Gate 2, between the V8 drivers carpark and Race Drivers Medical Centre.
Using SAGRN talkgroup B11, the facility will be manned from Thursday to Sunday. Crew start gather at Thebarton Police Barracks at 0730 and leave after the concert (normally 2330).
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A number of CFS members are fire marshalls Naracoorte brigade has 5 members again this year,there are some photos on ozfire with the appliances that are at the track.
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Saw some red CFS PPC at the track yesterday. Good job people.
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Its a pity i didnt get to be apart of the Clipsal 500 fire crew this year but the good news is that im on the reserves list for next years event all i gotta do is ring up around december and put my name down
I have to get 270 bucks for a fire proof uniform and 50 bucks for a nomex flash hood out of curiosity do they supply fire helmets or hats to the fire & rescue crew :|
On the bright side im doing fire & rescue duties out at SEAC park on the 17 of this month for a twilight Autocross :-D
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More pics
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Some more
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As an avid Holden V8 fan (counting down to race start today), general revhead and rally event attendee, I rang CAMS to organise a license so I could be trackside support - and surprise surprise I got told to join the Women's Auxilliary :roll: I tried on two different occasions and this was always the answer even though I was with CFS. So I gave up.
But it's been good down here cos I've been a ForestrySA Warden for the SEAC events, and you get to drive all over the place dishing out fines to people that are beyond the observation points, finding the best photo locations and checking out the pit areas :-D
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Saw some red CFS PPC at the track yesterday. Good job people.
Where?? Unless they were in STC Instructors T/O gear I don't think they were CFS... Are you meaning the fire marshals? - Not all of which are CFS..
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As an avid Holden V8 fan (counting down to race start today), general revhead and rally event attendee, I rang CAMS to organise a license so I could be trackside support - and surprise surprise I got told to join the Women's Auxilliary :roll: I tried on two different occasions and this was always the answer even though I was with CFS. So I gave up.
But it's been good down here cos I've been a ForestrySA Warden for the SEAC events, and you get to drive all over the place dishing out fines to people that are beyond the observation points, finding the best photo locations and checking out the pit areas :-D
:-o I didnt know you are the Forestry SA Warden for SEAC events blue :roll:...keeping an eye on races at SEAC Park is my job cause if a accident happens on the race track i got to respond along with recovery although this hasnt happened yet :-)
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:-o I didnt know you are the Forestry SA Warden for SEAC events :roll: cause keeping an eye on races at SEAC Park is my job cause if a accident happens on the race track i got to respond along with recovery although this hasnt happened yet :-)
Rangers at ForestrySA are on a roster, so if happens to be your weekend to be in the field and that aligns with a rally event, you're out there making sure the event organiser's obligations are met as well as requirements of the Forestry Act are adhered to. That's if it's running on ForestrySA land anyway, which often they do both in the South East and the Adelaide Hills regions.
Glad to hear you havn't been required yet! What a great job, I'm jealous - you'd get to see everything! :-)
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If you wanna get a fire & rescue license Blue download the license application forms off the CAMS website and apply for a Grade E (Fire & Rescue)although you'll have to do 3 club events as a trainee before upgrading to a Grade E4 licence
I wish you luck in applying for it cause i might end up being your supervisor at a SEAC Park event in the coming months :wink: :-D
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Woohoo! Holden 1, 2 victory!!
Sounds good Robert34, as long as you can guarantee I wont just be making sandwiches behind the scenes :roll: :lol:
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You wont be making sandwiches behind the scenes Blue cause the SEAC Catering Caravan is at every event meaning we get BBQ lunch :wink:
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Mmmmm BBQ *insert emoticon with tongue out and sound of Homer drooling*
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The best way to get started Blue is by downloading the trainee officials licence off the CAMS website and getting your 1st club event signed off next weekend at SEAC park cause theres a twilight autocross being held on Saturday :-)
Send me a message and i'll give you abit more info about which part of the CAMS website you can download the application :-)
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another brilliant race..... some of the bands left a little to be desired though!
always good fun!
Did anyone get a chance to check out the paramedic mountain bike crews.....??
looked like a fairly professional setup, the flashing lights & siren was a little funny though!
Alas didnt get any pics :(
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Dont worry Mike I got a pic to post so look later :wink:
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another brilliant race..... some of the bands left a little to be desired though!
always good fun!
Did anyone get a chance to check out the paramedic mountain bike crews.....??
looked like a fairly professional setup, the flashing lights & siren was a little funny though!
Alas didnt get any pics :(
They were based right beside the SES crew which included the SES mountain bike team. The equipment on the pack rack and equipment in the jackets weigh approximately 10 kgs each bike.
I do not know if they responded to an incident, but they completed many patrols during they day.
They have a large white van which they wheel the bikes into for transport.
I understand the concept is still being reviewed after this trial is complete.
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Hey Blue dont you drive a Ford?
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Hey Blue dont you drive a Ford?
Does that thing even classify as a car?
Oh wait its a Ford KA!!!
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Now Now lets not pick on blue just because the Ford team lost to Holden :roll: theres nothing wrong with ford vehicles what counts is that Ford gave Holden a run for its money :wink:
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Now Now lets not pick on blue just because the Ford team lost to Holden :roll: theres nothing wrong with ford vehicles what counts is that Ford gave Holden a run for its money :wink:
There's plenty wrong with fords !
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Any good holden girl should know that ford is the BLUE army brigade, call yourself a holden girl. Shame on you...
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Yes yes, Found On Rubbish Dump. I would love to own a Holden, if they made something a better than a Barina in the small car class. But they don't. Maybe I should buy a Commodore, complete with CFS sticker, hey Footy?
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$4500 blue
Actually the colour is Marine Aqua, but ya get that
VR Berlina, good car...
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I own a red Suzuki Swift Cino and thats my pride & joy :wink:
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^^Robert as an Australian MALE i don't know if i would admit to owning that car and then call it your pride and joy :-P :lol:
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MundCFS if i had a good job a dual cab ute would be on my wish list :wink: but you have to take into account the cost of petrol these days thats why i like driving around a small car cause its cheaper to run on petrol :-D
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Yes yes, Found On Rubbish Dump. I would love to own a Holden, if they made something a better than a Barina in the small car class. But they don't. Maybe I should buy a Commodore, complete with CFS sticker, hey Footy?
OR: Ford Only Run Downhill
Factory Ordered Rebuilt Datsun
Fials On Rainy Days
F@$!ed On Race Days
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Yes yes, Found On Rubbish Dump. I would love to own a Holden, if they made something a better than a Barina in the small car class. But they don't. Maybe I should buy a Commodore, complete with CFS sticker, hey Footy?
OR: Ford Only Run Downhill
Factory Ordered Rebuilt Datsun
Fials On Rainy Days
F@$!ed On Race Days
HA! :-D
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I would love to own a Holden, if they made something a better than a Barina in the small car class.
Get yourself into a turbo diesel Astra - they go like shyte!
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At least Ford didnt spend $18 million and end up with a Blimp :lol: :lol:
Come on HRT who really does own you?