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General Discussion => Country Fire Service => Topic started by: Toast on March 02, 2006, 10:48:27 AM
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Appears as though the chaps at Murray Bridge had some upside down fun this morning. Sounds like only minor injuries, with any luck. Does anyone have any more information about the incident or the crew?
For those pager message hunting types:
1908782 11:40:34 02-03-06 FYI - CFS CREW ROLLED TRUCK IN MURRAY BRIDGE ALL MINOR INJ 3 AMB ATT - HAZMAT CHEMICAL SPILL AT TAILEM BEND COONALPYN AMB WILL NOW ATT - WALDO
Best wishes to all of those involved.
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s***! was it their pumper or their 24? hope their alright.
on a side note, can you tell me how to get to the GRN content site. i went on one link and it said it was unavailable due to technical difficulties. help!
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2 March 2006 - 12:30 PM
Location : MURRAY BRIDGE
Incident : CFS TRUCK ROLLOVER
MEDIA STATEMENT: CFS TRUCK ROLLOVER, MURRAY BRIDGE
CFS Acting Deputy Chief Officer, Rob Sandford said in statement regarding a CFS fire truck roll over at Murray Bridge this morning:
“CFS has been advised that at 11:30 today a CFS Murray Bridge fire truck rolled on the corner of Swanport and Adelaide Road in Murray Bridge.
The four crew members on board the vehicle have been taken to the Murray Bridge Hospital. None of the injuries are believed to be critical.
The crew was responding to a reported hazardous chemical spill in Tailem Bend.
All emergency services are on site at the fire truck roll over incident and police will be carrying out an investigation into the crash.
CFS will also conduct its own internal review into the roll over.
The hazardous chemical spill reported at Tailem Bend has now been cleared.”
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^^thanks firefrog was about to do that.
lets avoid ALL speculation and stupid comments on this subject.
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Good that they are ok
You have to feel for the other service responding to a CFS truck rollover
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s***! was it their pumper or their 24? hope their alright.
on a side note, can you tell me how to get to the GRN content site. i went on one link and it said it was unavailable due to technical difficulties. help!
twas their pumper I believe
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lets avoid ALL speculation and stupid comments on this subject.
Very good call medivac.
Lets treat this matter with the discretion it deserves.
There will be a report released im sure.
Until then, I wish all members of Murray Bridge the best, and hope the responding crew have a speedy recovery.
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Best wishes to all.
For facts it may be worth tuning into Channel 7 news. RC3 was interviewed by them.
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No wonder stories are stretched! our local radio station - based in Murray bridge - reported that a SES vehicle was on its roof.
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To the four crew who were on the MB Pumper, the members of the Murray Bridge Brigade and their families, we are all thinking of you and wish you all a speedy recovery.
It is something we all fear, however at a time like this we should all rally together and support those involved and the service, by not spreading rumour or speculation, rather let an official report be produced - we own it to those involved, who were responding to assist their community in their time of need.
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Appears as though the chaps at Murray Bridge had some upside down fun this morning. Sounds like only minor injuries, with any luck. Does anyone have any more information about the incident or the crew?
BAD TASTE COMMENT!!!!!
Not appreciated :x :x :x
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Appears as though the chaps at Murray Bridge had some upside down fun this morning. Sounds like only minor injuries, with any luck. Does anyone have any more information about the incident or the crew?
BAD TASTE COMMENT!!!!!
Not appreciated :x :x :x
Settle...
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MEDIA STATEMENT UPDATE
2.30pm Thursday 2 March 2006
CFS Acting Deputy Chief Officer, Rob Sandford said in statement regarding a CFS fire truck roll over at Murray Bridge this morning:
“CFS has been advised that at 11:30 today a CFS Murray Bridge Brigade fire truck rolled on the corner of Swanport and Adelaide Road in Murray Bridge.
The four crew members on board the vehicle were taken to the Murray Bridge Hospital.
One of the crew has been released from hospital after suffering minor shock.
The other three currently remain in hospital: one with an injury to the hand, one to the shoulder, and one with an injury to the ankle.
The crew was responding to a reported hazardous chemical spill in Tailem Bend.
All emergency services are on site at the fire truck roll over incident and police will be carrying out an investigation into the crash.
CFS will also conduct its own internal review into the roll over.
The hazardous chemical spill reported at Tailem Bend has now been cleared.”
BrentonRagless
Media Liaison Officer
SA Country Fire Service
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This was a very serious incident and your discretion and tact is appreciated. Crews are obviously very concerned and we have injured personnel still in hospital.
A rail container of ethanol had become disconnected from a train in the yards at Tailem Bend. Hazmat was responded as a matter of course. However the container was found to be secure and was reconnected to the train which went on it's way.
Yes, Adam the media can get things a bit skewed. I've been fielding calls from family and friends who heard that it was us.
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has anyone seen any images of the truck? i wonder whether its a write off. I imagine a fire truck would expensive to replace...
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I have heard that it is a write off but it is early days and we will wait and see.
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so what brigade are you in kat if ppl were getting your brigade confused with murray bridge. that pumper was fairly old anyway wasn't it?
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Ah, well I understand the mistake.
I am a leuiy at Tailem.
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fair enough. hope the crews alright.
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Yeah, hope they turn out okay.
On a side note, Tailem Bend has the best chicken and chip shop in South Australia, just off the highway, next to the video store. Always pull in when going down to Keith to visit fam. Kat should know the one :wink:
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Yes, deviating from a serious topic momentarily - that chicken shop has kept us going at many an incident and made the participants on last weekend's BFF1 at Tailem very happy at lunch time.
PS: Our Brigade Captain owns the Tailem Bend Bakery which also rocks the planet. It's very handy to have a Captain who bakes you cream cakes.
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Re previous post toast - very settled, just annoyed, until you or your brigade have had such a devastating occurrence that rocks you all (both members, families, the community and other ESO's), it is hard to understand how someones light hearted humour can cut so deep ... again just my thoughts!
Re the Murray Bridge Pumper (sorry yes the Chicken Shop at TB is great, bakery is good to - but so is the Meningie one) the pumper was ex Loberthal and is aging, It was provided to cover the ever increasing risks that are being built in Murray Bridge and surrounding areas and was to be a short term solution prior to an URP or similar being placed in the Bridge
I hope now, this will speed the process of placing a suitbale appliance into the Bridge to meet their rural and increasing urban needs.
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Yeah, hope they turn out okay.
On a side note, Tailem Bend has the best chicken and chip shop in South Australia, just off the highway, next to the video store. Always pull in when going down to Keith to visit fam. Kat should know the one :wink:
You're right there!!!
Can't wait for footy season to start again so i can call in there more regularly (like every weekend) :-D
Ok, back to topic now........ :wink:
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Ironically, the people (Tailem Bend's Captain's family) used to own the Meningie bakery before the TB one.
OK, seriously, back to topic now. :-P
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Murrey Bridge are due for a type 2 this year but i'm not sure if it is being built yet.
Maybe under the cercumstances the sturt group could find it in their heart to let go of belair pumper finally.
I hope all is well at murrey bridge, we have had similar things happen in our brigade but never this serious, we found the best thing to do is take a deep breathe and get back on to the trucks and do what we do best, obviously some people will find it harder than that but i'm sure they have the support of the whole service.
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Ha - funny you should say that - believe the Belair Pumper is going to Murray Bridge - will certainly look the part in the Bridge station!
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Yep wife called me on the phone to say that it had happened and that the guys where all taken to hospital.Hope all on the appliances are well and that the team at murray bridge come throu this as I am sure they will .... they are a good team up there. all the best guys
as for good food shops SAFA fuel naracoorte great food,bakery at pinnaroo great pies-mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Maybe under the cercumstances the sturt group could find it in their heart to let go of belair pumper finally.
hope so.
regardless, best wishes to the M.B. crew, i worked with them at the murray bridge fire end of last year and they were still out fighting considering they'd been out there all day. good brigade up there.
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I saw the truck on the news definatly a write off, it's very unfortunate these things happen. :cry:
It might kick the CFS into gear and get them their new appliance sooner we all know how te CFS can drag those things out. :|
My best to the crew on the truck and hope they have a speedy recovery. :-)
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god you guys are talking some cr@p. how very considerate to turn a thread notifying people that an accident has occured into a thread bashing certain groups and talking about fast food. well done to all involved.
i have noticed that someone has posted pictures of the incident on the 'ozfire' web group, perhaps we can be more respectful here and NOT do so.
sorry, im just getting fired up.
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Just saw it on the news !!
VERY lucky ! Thankfully they will be okay !
Don't know if they will use the truck again..
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well said medevac
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Do u forget ur comment on the pies blinky ??
Jeezz...
Saw a page noting the crew will have 24hours off.. Hopefully that means they are okay !! !!
Best wishes again !!
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Would have been a horrible experience to go through, I hope all injured crew make a speedy recovery. How very fortunate that the injuries were only 'minor' - although I doubt those involved consider their injuries as minor.
Were any crew on the external deck at the time, or all in the cab?
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Different people react to these types of incidents in different ways. Many will use humour to ride through stressful occurences - and it does help, sometimes. Please always remember to be respectful to others when posting - especially when people have been hurt.
I'm sure that all involved will be able to look back and laugh - eventually, even if not for a while.
It is a shame to see another Pumper bite it, having recently waved goodbye to ours.
It does present an opportunity to replace an ageing appliance - although not the best method to go about it.
To the MB brigade I say all the best and I hope you all recover quickly from your hurting, both physical and emotional.
Best wishes
Calspec
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Medevac, the food thing was just a small side track as for the bickering, when people come together to discuss anything it is sure to happen.
Anyway enough of this, hope the Murray Bridge crew's kick some donkey and get through.
Just curious, what is wrong with posting pictures? Would like to see what happened, channel 10 didnt show it.
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Calspec , according to the CFS person interviewed on Ch 7 news, there were members in both cab, and rear crew deck...
Goes to show why there are benifits of SITTING down on way to fire calls !!
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Just goes to show how VERY lucky they were. To be on the rear deck, with or without seatbelts, and have the vehicle turn upside down without receiving significant injuries is, quite simply, filtered amazing!
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I can't see why photos should be a problem, as long as their discreet, and just like any MVA, avoid showing injured persons.
I would even suggest that the injured persons may take advantage and view the damage done, or at least take a look and think "gees, and we suvived that!?"
It would be a very different deal if the injuries were more significant.
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lets avoid ALL speculation and stupid comments on this subject.
Very good call medivac.
Lets treat this matter with the discretion it deserves.
There will be a report released im sure.
Until then, I wish all members of Murray Bridge the best, and hope the responding crew have a speedy recovery.
Just a reminder...
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1909052 08:54:09 03-03-06 BELAIR 34P IS NOW OUR PRIMARY STRUCTURAL RESPONSE VOLVO WILL BE DEPARTING FOR MURRAY BRIDGE AT 10:00 TODAY FROM BC
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Sounds like you have all the facts and have conducted your own investigation Robert, if not then maybe you should keep those opinions to yourself :x.
How do you know something completely out of the drivers control didn't happen, maybe a dog or kid ran in front of the truck and he had to swerve out of the way to avoid hitting them.
I'm sure in good time all the facts will come out, at the moment though we should keep our judgements and theories to ourselves and hope that those involved make a speedy and complete recovery.
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robert you are an idiot and i suggest you stop posting.
firstly; you werent there and you dont know scheiße
secondly; your not a driver so how would you know how trucks react
thirdly; how the hell do you know who was and who wasnt wearing setabelts (its not even required for us as CFS responders to wear them)
and last but not least; you are a complete idiot and should kick your own donkey for laying blaim on other people when you have no idea what happened.
end rant.
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The news footage of this incident is now available at ftp://[email protected] with a
password of news. Just copy it from the FTP server and paste it into one of your directories, it is about 6mb.
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Robert - you have truely proved your pedigree!
Four fellow fire fighters were involved in a horrible incident that many of us (as drivers and officers)fear could happen, yet have been spared from it.
Then you, with your wealth of knowledge from age, operational experience, fire fighting experience, driving experience and responses have decided the facts, from your cosy lounge chair, 350km away in Kalangadoo!
You are truely an assett to the Kalangadoo community!
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I don't what I can add, that Medevac and Oz-fire haven't already said.
Robert - not the wisest of comments. Doh!
Look, this is a public forum, and everyone is entitled to an opinion, but there has to be some limit of what can be said.
There may very well be a legal investigation into the accident, so be careful what comments are made here. If you want to make speculative accusations, keep it to private conversations and not public forums.
Comments out of place will only get you in the she-it (filter that!) Although, I think Robert34 has done that already.
Internet forums are a dangerous place for the tactless. Think twice before texting your thoughts.
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Well im sorry for all the trouble i have caused medevac but i havent done anything of the sort they are just my opinons only :cry:
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Robert - WAKE UP!!!!!!
You speculated and made specific comments on what had happened - it wasn't an opinion - an opinion may be .... possible error, equipment malfunction - not the two half witted ideas that you wrote!
........ (takes deep breath counts to 20) Maybe, sit back, how would you feel, if from the comfort of our lounge chairs, offices etc we passed comment on your brigade, its functioning etc - without any knowledge, without having been there, without knowing any facts - it wouldn't happen ..... so before you put in your opinion - stop, take five and think about it.
If you have no knowledge in the area, don't write anything, not a word, just read the posts and learn - its safer that way!
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Well im sorry for all the trouble i have caused medevac but i havent done anything of the sort they are just my opinons only :cry:
KEEP 'EM TO YOURSELF
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OK.
As has been pointed out already, the comments made were not the smartest idea in the world. However at this point I have to say that has been well and truely hammered.
Any further comment related to the preceding circumstances will be deleted, as will the original comment that started this side track.
Any comments relating to this should wait until after the investigations have been concluded. - same deal as the coronial enquiry -
As has already been stated
lets avoid ALL speculation and stupid comments on this subject.
Lets treat this matter with the discretion it deserves.
With these 2 points in mind, i dont see any probems with photos being posted and discussion continuing. But dont let it get out of hand.
Cheers
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Mikes view is endorsed!
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Im not part of ozfire, can anyone put up the photos..
I have seen it on the news, but for a brief moment.
Many thanks.
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There is a story in the local paper, with a photo. Not relying on what the story said as often the media can get it wrong!!
With the risk of being hammered, here are the photos from Ozfire.
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You won't get hammered these pics are welcome.
Even if only to serve as a reminder that we all face risks from time to time..
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Might be worth posting these pics up at the station - (A) as a reminder to the crews why we don't stand up on the back whilst travelling and (B) as a reminder to the drivers what can happen when you drive a big heavy truck 20kmh over the speed limit, through red lights and in and out of traffic (not saying that was occuring here).
Seems a bit sad seeing the 'old girl' sitting there like that, no doubt the guys that rode that rig will have many fond memories. At least the Murray Bridge guys will have the use of the old Belair Pumper until their type 2 arrives.
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Good idea about pinning up the pics at station. I know our Brigade has certainly had a poignant reminder! unfortunately it takes something like this to happen to remind people.
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I'd have to agree with Nomex on this one by placing pictures of this incident up on station boards it will remind members of the risks of standing up on the back of a moving appliance :-)
Another thing i never knew pumpers are like the open back 34 appliances i always though they dual cab appaliances :?
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Don't know what's been said by certain people but i'm glad we are back on the track of wanting to help these guys and wishing them all the best.
We have had several close calls in our appliances (thats what happens when you do 300+ calls in an urban invironment) and it really does make you wonder why you volunteer to do the job sometimes but when the other 99.9% of the jobs go right you realise what your in it for.
Robert34, yes new pumpers are dual cabs like new 34's just like old pumpers are single cabs like old 34's.
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Another thing i never knew pumpers are like the open back 34 appliances i always though they dual cab appaliances :?
the trucks of the CFS are many and varied robert... there are heaps of custom builds, although the MB pumper was fairly similar to barkers old rig and belairs...
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From seeing those pic's, its lucky there was no one on the pavement walking or sitting there. Could have been much worse.
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Slightly off track, but I have noticed more of the dual cab appliances (e.g. 34p's and 24p's) in the CFS fleet.Is there procedures regarding responding to incident in vehicle cabin before changing over to firefighting deck on arrival?
I would think that a crew would be much safer in the instance of the unfortunate accident of the Murray Bridge Pumper if they were in the actual cabin of an appliance than the "shelter" at the front of the firefighting deck.
I also wish a speedy recovery to the crew involved and hope they are "back on the horse" soon!
Regards, Mat.
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Mat,rule is all crew in the cabin,if a grass or scrub fire crew will stop appliances before going onto fireground and take a a position on the rear deck. Most new 34/24 crew cabs do not have seating on the rear or seatbelts.
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its amazing when looking at that photo how the people on the back only received minor injuries. A truck like that would be hard to climb out from underneath. lucky boys
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I think if a fire appliance in NSW or Vic (or anywhere) rolled we would all be interested to see the photos and or footage. Call it professional interest? There's speccie rollover shots on the 'net that are even used on a firefighters website for inclusion in e-cards.
This is close to home (very, very for me) and naturally concern for the crew is paramount. And in due course if investigations show that there are things that could have been done better we will all benefit from hearing them.
It is just a fact of life that people will speculate. Living and working near Murray Bridge and being a member of their Group and a neighbouring Brigade I have been subjected to no end of interrogation and speculation. As fire service members this is not something we can indulge in publicly. And this forum is as public as it gets.
What we put in writing to be read by anyone who happens upon it should be carefully, carefully considered.
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well said kat. does anyone have any latest news on the condition of the crew?
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I am aware that there were two crew in the back, seated with belts on and they came out of it the best. All crew are home now.
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I have said before that the crew were lucky, considering the damage done to the appliance. If what Captcom just said is accurate - in regard to wearing seatbelts, then I think we all need to take notice.
Until recently our brigade's primary response urban vehicle was a single cab type with crew seating on the rear deck. We all know what rules apply to wearing of seatbelts, both in and out of the crew cab. I know from experience that we don't always put the belts on. In most cases you are fiddling around with your gear, getting jackets on and boots tied etc, and by the time that is done your are at the incident anyway. I will be so bold to say that a large percentage of crew on rear decks don't wear seatblets.
I hope that we all will think twice now when deciding wether or not to bother with the belts.
Quite clearly, wearing the belts saved the lives of the MB crew and if they were not wearing them, we may very well be looking at an entirely different scenario.
In short: Wear your seatbelts wherever possible.
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I agree Calspec...it would also be rare for my crew to be buckled in...and our appliance was also involved in an accident (many years ago) thankfully, there were no crew in the back..they would have been in trouble otherwise..
I think that they could do with reviewing the seatbelts as well and perhaps making them sash and not just lap belts...
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i can say that i haven't worn a seatbelt to a job before. at the time it seems too much of a hassle as calspec said with putting your jacket, boots and helmet on. i think i will next time.
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we have a rule you can't get on until you are fully dressed and use your must use your setbelt
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Clearly, different brigades have different attitudes towards this subject. I can only guess in suggesting that the issue of seatbelt wearing has taken a backseat(pun intended) to response times with some brigades. The main priority being to get the truck rolling asap once minimum crewing requirements are met.
Time for a change of attitude and approach to our own safety.
I wait with baited breath to see what comes out of any investigation into the MB accident.
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You could be right Calspec...don't be surprised if we see a directive or SOP in relation to the wearing of seatbelts...back and front!
It's something that I will address with my crew...unfortunately, made easy by this example...
we rarely leave the station with full crew...pick up crew on the way..as we are a Rural brigade and it saves time...and we only have a single cab, so crew have to ride on the back..
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i thought I had already seen a directive about wearing seatbelts on appliances. all new vehicles come plastered with stickers stating "Seatbelts must be worn"......
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yeah i put my gear on on the way. the only gear i put on at the station are my pants and boots. on the truck i put on helmet, jacket, goggles, gloves, whatever else. its just quicker that way. however, i've known people to not wear a seatbelt at all, even on the way back to the station.
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i thought I had already seen a directive about wearing seatbelts on appliances. all new vehicles come plastered with stickers stating "Seatbelts must be worn"......
it already states in a SOP/COSO that seatbelts must be worn (even though we are exempt under the road traffic act from wearing them), however I suspect the previous guy was right that there will be a renewed emphasis on it.
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I don't even think the attitude is just a brigade thing, comes down more to personal preference. Some members i know wouldn't wear a seat belt even if we wern't excempt others won't have the truck move without the crew being belted up and wear their helmet from the moment they leave station. Considering the brigade has lost a member as the result of an appliance rollover in '90 I find peoples attitudes strange about when they should and shouldnt. At the end of the day most CFS personal are NOT regular or professional drivers of 10-15t trucks at high speed under UDD conditions or even get any comprehensive training. Considering CFS provides training in almost everything I find it strange that the area of most risk receives only minimal training. If you F*%K up at a job with your BA, you may kill or seriously injure yourself or your partner, same with compartment, RCR well ya might cut something off you shouldn't.... But if you are the driver on the way to a job and make a mistake you could potentially kill the seven people on the appliance and any number members of the public!
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At the end of the day most CFS personal are NOT regular or professional drivers of 10-15t trucks at high speed under UDD conditions or even get any comprehensive training. Considering CFS provides training in almost everything I find it strange that the area of most risk receives only minimal training. But if you are the driver on the way to a job and make a mistake you could potentially kill the seven people on the appliance and any number members of the public!
I agree with skirkmoe..driver training is not offered often enough...I know that there has only been 1 occasion where we've had the opportunity to be accredited (more in relation to deployments)...fortunately, my brigade is rural and my crew are used to driving trucks...I probably have at least 11 crew that could drive...none have been accredited though.. :?
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I remember hearing once that proffesional truck drivers often "create" (for want of a better description) more issues than those who just drive fire appliances. Cant remember where I heard it, but it wasnt that long ago. Training needs looking at in this respect though.
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I am sure in time we will hear the out come,as for driver training it is only offered when a brigade gets a new appliances,but what about when a brigade gets a second hand truck like the murray bridge pumper?? As for where the roll over took place its not a good corner for any type of truck haven spoken to a few truck drivers.. kat I have also heard that saying and it came from a driver instuctor
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At the end of the day most CFS personal are NOT regular or professional drivers of 10-15t trucks at high speed under UDD conditions or even get any comprehensive training.
yes I was surprised I could get my MR licence and then (legally, apart from self imposed brigade rules) zoom around with lights and sirens breaking the speed limit with no training on "response" driving (not to mention off-road truck driving training).
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Cant break the speed limit
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PF, you can break the speed by 20kms per hour its in the COSO/SOPS....
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PF, you can break the speed by 20kms per hour its in the COSO/SOPS....
Okay, I thought you couldnt break any road rules.
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If we couldnt break any road rules why do we have sirens? :-D
hahahaha
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PF, you can break the speed by 20kms per hour its in the COSO/SOPS....
Okay, I thought you couldnt break any road rules.
If the emergency vehicle is driving with red/blue rotating lights, they are covered under a different part of the road rules law.
Get snapped by a red light camera or speed camera and you need to prove that it was a legitimate P1 call response.
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Have to stop at red lights and stop signs etc, Only go if there is a clear path and cars have given way though.
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PF, little home work for you read the COSO AND SOP'S and you will find all the answers that you will need,we have to stop at traffice lights and stop /give way signs going P1 to a job the traffice has to give way to use if lights and siren are going but they never doooooooooo.. So you must always stop and when safe to do so move on,if you are following a second appliances its the same rule stop and when safe move on..Sorry of topic.
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isn't it great being able to break the speed limit???
back on topic for a moment, i was talking to someone the other day who said that those old isuzu pumpers like murray bridges are very top heavy. there was one in his group and drivers/oic's were worried about even going over the speed limit in them. Perhaps what happened here?
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PF, little home work for you read the COSO AND SOP'S and you will find all the answers that you will need,we have to stop at traffice lights and stop /give way signs going P1 to a job the traffice has to give way to use if lights and siren are going but they never doooooooooo.. So you must always stop and when safe to do so move on,if you are following a second appliances its the same rule stop and when safe move on..Sorry of topic.
Where can I find COSO and SOP?
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PF, little home work for you read the COSO AND SOP'S and you will find all the answers that you will need,we have to stop at traffice lights and stop /give way signs going P1 to a job the traffice has to give way to use if lights and siren are going but they never doooooooooo.. So you must always stop and when safe to do so move on,if you are following a second appliances its the same rule stop and when safe move on..Sorry of topic.
Where can I find COSO and SOP?
http://www.cfs.org.au/ follow the links to about us then publications.
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I believe that if the vehicle is a truck or vehicle without ABS under P1 condition you can do 20kph over "IF SAFE" if the vehicle is fitted with ABS you can do 40 kph over.
But this may have changed since i read it last.
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^^hmmm negative on that mundcfs
from the coso's its too do with weight, i havent got the info in front of me, but its something like, if the vehicle is over 2t then 20kp/h over the limit, if its under 2t then 40kp/h over the limit.
but read the coso to confirm this.
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Thought i may have been wrong been a while since i looked it up....
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yeah, its to do with weight, not tech.
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you can't do 40 km/h over the limit if you don't have ABS brakes either..
Limits most of CFS appliances..
Except the dennis..
(and maybe a couple random trucks with ABS.. if there are any ??)
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yeah, its to do with weight, not tech.
(hopefully you guys aren't drivers)
You should take the advice given to "PF" to read the COSO/SOP. Hint: both weight of the vehicle and whether it has ABS are factors, so a 24/34 type appliance with no ABS is limited to 20km/hr over the limit.
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Obviously, it's more important to actually arrive in tact and alive ourselves rather than be concerned with being allowed to speed xkms over the speedlimit.
It only varies the arrival time by a few minutes in the long run...nothing would be worse than having or being involved in a MVA on the way to a job...
My appliance crashed on the way to a fire once, driver going too fast..thankfully, there were no crew on the back...we have now imposed an 80kph speedlimit on dirt roads as a result.
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I think wearing seatbelts is compulsory en route as per our SOP's regardless of what Road Traffic Act says? Dunno - couldn't find our SOP's on the CFS publications site as per Mengcfs post. But what a bonus to find the new Act and Regs.
Wonder when the Brigade will get a copy??
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Posted verbatim from The Murray Valley Standard (7/3/06):
Police are seeking witnesses to the Country Fire Service truck rollover in Murray Bridge on Thursday. The truck was travelling east on Adelaide road (sic) and turned right into Swanport Road when it rolled, injuring the four occupants. The main intersection was interrupted for several hours as emergency personnel investigated and cleared the scene. The four CFS officers received non-critical injuries. Police have asked anyone who saw the incident, saw the driving manner of the truck before the incident, or have any information that may help investigations to contact Murray Bridge police on 8535 6020 or Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.
Remember no speculation!
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apparently i was wrong re: truck speeds/weight, but have since had a read of the SOPs this morning.. LOL
re; seatbelts, MUST be worn by the driver. are optional for all passengers whilst responding to an emergency under priority one conditions.
does this mean they must be worn for a priority two call?
have to admit i have never worn my seatbelt to or from a call... never usually have that much time as we have arrived at most of our calls within three - four minutes of leaving station... plus half the time your stuffing around trying to put on tabards etc... but enough justifying myself.
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Unfortunately, Medevac, I know where you are coming from....I NEVER drive my own ute anywhere without a seatbelt but find that I'm busy getting radios, batteries, tabards etc organised and often don't wear a seatbelt.
I didn't think that it was mandatory for the others to wear them...but I imagine that this might change or be recommended...especially in the back crew cab.
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mmm same here - i never drive anywhere in my own vehicle or mates vehicles without a seatbelt, but yeh never where one in the trucks.
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Never been on a call out, but everytime I go on the truck am belted up.
Do the MFS have to wear seatbelts on the way to an incident?
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Never been on a call out, but everytime I go on the truck am belted up.
Do the MFS have to wear seatbelts on the way to an incident?
I don't reckon they would (depending on the call) because it could be a little hard to be putting a BA set on and wearing a seatbelt.
I was surprised to see that MFS have a BA seat in the front passenger seat always thought this seat was for the station officer/OIC who normally wouldn't wear one.
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BA seats are awesome. do you reckon we'll ever get them in dual cab pumpers/34p's?
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^^NO too many OHS issues with the ride height of our trucks i believe.. mt barker dennis has them though...
MFS trucks have four BA sets, three in back (one for driver), and one in OIC seat..
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M.F.S do things a little different to us, when they arrive at a fixed alarm the first arrival officer and 2 firies all wearing B.A go to the board and see where the alarm is then go to the area affected and the second arrival officer stays at the board and does comms etc, therefore the officers do don B.A alot.
Also you will never fit a B.A seat in the back of a japanese cab chassis so we will never have them unless we buy Europeon or American trucks.
Sorry about the off topic........
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BA seats are classed as a restraint system..... and as such are seatbelts.
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M.F.S do things a little different to us, when they arrive at a fixed alarm the first arrival officer and 2 firies all wearing B.A go to the board and see where the alarm is then go to the area affected and the second arrival officer stays at the board and does comms etc, therefore the officers do don B.A alot.
how is that diff. to what we do? ahh i see... we get the first arriving off to stay at the board...
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I think wearing seatbelts is compulsory en route as per our SOP's regardless of what Road Traffic Act says? Dunno - couldn't find our SOP's on the CFS publications site as per Mengcfs post. But what a bonus to find the new Act and Regs.
Wonder when the Brigade will get a copy??
Sorry people, my bad.
The COSO's and SOP's used to be on the CFS website. I used to download and print them for the latest up to date material. Not sure why they aren't on the site any more. Would definately clear up some of the myths we talk about here :wink:
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How's a BA seat work?
Is it a seat where a BA set just sits in behind it and you can easily get it on
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Basically it's the back of a seat you don up and then just lean forward and it pops out (i think) someone who's in MFS or responds with them might be able to explain a little better.
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Think its got a release mechanism.. It cant just pull out.. Thus why its the Seatbelt system.. if it just pulled loose it would be useless in an accident to act as a restraint system.
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Sorry people, my bad.
The COSO's and SOP's used to be on the CFS website. I used to download and print them for the latest up to date material. Not sure why they aren't on the site any more. Would definately clear up some of the myths we talk about here :wink:
indeed, you can still click on "About Us" on the main page (ignore the annoying popup menus) and it's listed there but is a dead link.
Here instead is the copy I saved from Nov 2004 (4Mb): http://www.sacfs.org/publications/COSO_SOP_Nov2004.pdf
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I've noticed in previous postings comments regarding wearing of seatbelts in private vehicles all the time, but not in a fire appliance.
Well, I'm guilty as well!
MFS does stipulate that they must be worn, but I haven't noticed too many people in Metro or Country doing it.
Our front running appliance (Scania) does have BA seats and if you have put a BA on, the shoulder straps alone would probably restrain you if you hadn't pushed down on the lever to release the set.
All BA seats do have retracting seatbelts, but crews find putting them on with an airset a bit of a tangle.
I suppose if anything happened and you were't wearing one, it could be detrimental to an injury payout, but who knows...........
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The CFS removed the SOP and COSO's from the website for security reasons, so before you go sending copies around it may pay to just check with CFS HQ and just find out if they approve or not....
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Dennis has 4 BA seats across the back, all with levers that have to be released before the set comes out, so you can use the BA straps as a seat belt on the way to jobs. The smart thing not to do is release your set too early cause if you do have a prang your going to have the set in your back pushing you. CFS need to seriously look at CF cyclinders especially for the Dennis as you have to get out of the truck with a heavy set on. Also brigades with Type 2's will notice that they are not designed to have the heavy sets on them because NSWFB and CFA use CF sets which are smaller, so when you swing our old clunker sets out they dont fit....yay :-D
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ah, the joys of being technologically behind!