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General Discussion => Country Fire Service => Topic started by: uniden on February 15, 2008, 08:27:44 PM
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So how is the replacement planning going ???
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Good Thanks. :wink:
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Volvo or Scania, that is the question ! :roll:
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What about Hino, Isuzu, Mercedes, DAF, MAN, Mack, Tatra, Iveco? :-)
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Hino, Isuzu just aint Burnside style i have to say...
Mercedes...not really crank, DAF..rare, MAN...different, Mack...more different, Tatra...wtf!, Iveco....oh dear me!
note: dont be offended by my opinion's :mrgreen:
so therefore i only ask Volvo or Scania.
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Tatra...filtered!
:lol: Love it!!
Time will tell.
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no seriously...volvo or scania!1@$!$
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would be great to see a dualcab Volvo with a Type 2 build or similar.
Oh but wait...that wouldnt be Burnside!! time will tell to see what burnside comes up for its homemade custom pumper build!
If its the quaility of the current pumper or better...100+ kudos !
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ODDS
Scania $1.10
Volvo $2.30
Mercedes $5.20
Isuzu $5.50
Mack $7.80
Hino $10.50
MAN $15.90
Iveco $23.80
DAF $79.35
Tatra $160
Duno bout you but i know what im putting my money on. Read the 259 point form guide for the scania its odds on. :wink:
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I know what my money is on and time will tell eh Gilly :wink:
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Correct. Time will tell. I'm putting everything i have on Tatra. Those odds are fantastic! :wink:
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Great, another Scania circle jerk thread! Fun times boys!
I'll throw my money on an American LaFrance, Pierce or Seagrave...
But what about a bogey drive International?
Can't forget the old favourites: Magirus and Shand Mason?
How about a nice Sutphen Rescue?
In fact, I might take the Skoda...
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Tatra sounds asian. but i could be wrong, they could be fricken awesome....but ill stick to my racist comment.
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Close.... but oh so far!
Tatra is based in the Czech Republic, lets just say that they have a hard-on for building 6x6 Fire Appliance chassis.
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Isn't it going to be a Mazda Bongo van with a knapsack and a pair of tin snips for rescue.
Out of interest how much urban primary response area do Burnside have now, looking at a map of the MFS / CFS boundary you wouldn't think they have any. How can they justify getting the $330k from CFS that would have gone to a Type 2 when other urban EMA brigades are still in dunger 24's and 24P's.
Not starting a war just interested.
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How can they justify getting the $330k from CFS that would have gone to a Type 2 when other urban EMA brigades are still in dunger 24's and 24P's.
Basically every single CFS EMA brigade can justify having a rather expensive Pumper, since it doesnt not take much at all to create COQ's into the Metro suburbs.
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Don't start that. Don't you understand that this is a Fire Service and there is no way that you can apply logic to any decisions that are made by anyone about the rank of SFF.
I'd suggest that its got a fair bit to do with the amount of EMA work that Burnside do, and the amount of time they spend turning out of 44 and 20 station.
It would be nice if the CFS tacked a few more pumps onto the order for Morphett Vale, Barker, Stirling, etc etc - The places that have a decent risk in their primary response area and have been shafted in the past.
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If you went purely on their primary area they can barely justify a 24, but if you have cash and a fighting spirit you can achieve anything.
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...and they didn't even need to go to the minister or the media!
Other brigades, take note!
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What would be interesting to know is if the CFS have ever investigated building other pumpers besides the type 2, which is tacked onto the end of the NSWFB order.
For interests sake - how much extra would it cost to tack on 4 or 5 pumpers to an SAMFS or MFB order, compared to the current type 2.
Basically none of these trucks are going to be perfect for every response area but maybe more suited then the current type 2 in areas such as Happy Valley, Morphettvale, Seaford, Salisbury, Dalkeith, Athelstone, Burnside.
Just to make sure im not confusing anyone - all im saying is maybe there is other pumpers available on the market that maybe more suited to those areas for similar costs rather then building an individual appliance for each brigade as we all know this is not cost effective or efficient for the service.
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I'm giving odds 11/2 on a DENNIS................. :-D
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COMP00, yes the question has been asked, and the suggestion of tacking 5-10 appliances on the end of a Mets has been made. The response was "We are not, and never will be the MFS"
It would be smart thing to do, it would also mean that all servicing etc, could be carried out in Adelaide, rather than in the sticks, or interstate.
Mind you, half of those places you mention have no need for anything more than a Type 2, don't do enough work to justify the cash outlay, or will be eaten by SAMFS in the next 10 years.
If the CFS built decent appliances that could be used for multiple roles, there wouldn't be half the issues there are today.
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"We are not, and never will be the MFS"
In the world of words that means filtered.
They havent denied having a single fire service ever, not the MFS or CFS...but something along the lines of SAFRS. (like the QFRS)
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Yes, I wasn't talking about long term service directions, I was talking about a direct comment regarding Pumpers and using SAMFS spec trucks, just painted white.
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COMP00, yes the question has been asked, and the suggestion of tacking 5-10 appliances on the end of a Mets has been made. The response was "We are not, and never will be the MFS"
It would be smart thing to do, it would also mean that all servicing etc, could be carried out in Adelaide, rather than in the sticks, or interstate.
Mind you, half of those places you mention have no need for anything more than a Type 2, don't do enough work to justify the cash outlay, or will be eaten by SAMFS in the next 10 years.
If the CFS built decent appliances that could be used for multiple roles, there wouldn't be half the issues there are today.
The CFS need to step up and realise the Urban responsibility it currently has. Sure we are not MFS but that doesnt mean we dont have the same responsibilities in communities around the state.
As far as being eaten by MFS in 10 years...If the brigades were equipped with the right equipment there may not be the need for MFS to take over the area. But that brings about the debate of many other things, which is not what this thread is about.
You mention some of the brigades mentioned dont do enough work to justify the cash outlay. On that same notion you could say Port Lincoln doesnt need an aerial appliance as there hasnt been the calls to justify it. or some CFS brigades dont need RCR tools as they havent had an entrapment in years. Its all about risk, which you would know about but as you say some of those brigades may not need anything more than a medium pumper like the type 2.
Just some things to ponder.
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Right On Mate it all about risk - good comment :wink:
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Tatra sounds asian. but i could be wrong, they could be fricken awesome....but ill stick to my racist comment.
Have a look here http://ausfire.fotopic.net/c995895_1.html for pics of a Tatra Demonstration Fire Appliance. :wink:
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that really is ... CRANK! very much a American urban appliance morphed into a Urban/Rural fire appliance with almost too much water onboard!! (if thats 5.4 meaning 5000L)
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Sorry to ask but where does it come from?
cheers
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Western Australia Fire service...OOPS...sorry, New south Wales :P
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Is it Aust made?
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Christ. Trust the filtered bushwhackers in the NSWRFS to try to buy a Czech built truck. Its almost as bad as importing a second hand UK truck...
Chook, Tatra is a Czech Republic based Truck manufacturer.
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Its almost as bad as importing a second hand UK truck...
That deserves 10 points right there... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Thanks Numbers, hadn't heard the name before. Wonder why they even bother trialling it.
cheers
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If we're not careful the CFS will try to import an old Shand Mason pump :evil:
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zippy i hope that was your way of joking about the truck cause it doesnt come from NSW look at the number plates
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The Isuzu is NSWRFS. Other the coming from the former Soviet Union, is there anything else wrong with them?
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SESRCR did you read or look at any of the pictures?
"Tatra Demonstration Fire Appliance, proposed by an importer of the Tatra trucks in WA. The truck was with the Kuringgai Braigade when these images were captured."
Its was at a NSWRFS station for evaluation.
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zippy i hope that was your way of joking about the truck cause it doesnt come from NSW look at the number plates
read 678969696969ner's comment.
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Thanks Numbers, hadn't heard the name before. Wonder why they even bother trialling it.
cheers
I get the impression Tatra actually do quite a good truck. Never mistake Czechs or Slovaks for Russian or even Russian quality of manufacture. Their country was an unwilling member of the old Soviet Union. Their manufacturing & industrial tradition is more like Germany. (Haven't heard anyone slinging off at Mercs lately) Since the Iron Curtain came down, Tatra has been selling quite well against Scania, Merc, Iveco, Fiat & etc. in Western Europe.
The vehicle was in SA briefly a year or so ago - was spotted onto the Ozfire group.
The chassis is well worth looking at if only for interest' sake, and the extra water might make it an even better option than 34 or 34P's for many brigades.
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Thanks mate, checked out their website - heavy duty military trucks. The chassis system looks very good for off road.
People need to remember that the 4x4 fleet you currently have (Isuzu, Hino) are really an on road truck with a front diff. For true off road capability then some thing like this may be the ticket, Mann produce heavy off road capability, the Unimog wouldn't have the capacity, so you are starting to run out of options.
Anyway as I said the chassis system looks impressive.
Be interesting to see if the NSW RFS picks them up.
cheers
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Here's some footage of stuff they didn't teach us at Brukunga off-road course:
http://www.offroadtrucks.com.au/tatrainaction.php
enjoy!
or cringe...
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Looks Good - GVM of 19 Tonne?
Awsome of road capability.
Thanks cheers
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that looks like an awesome truck bet it comes with a price tag to match tho
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Now that the stuff we'd like get and to ,bet the truck would handle the speed bumps down in Burnsides patch ,no problems :-D
Cheers Jaff
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The drive tube system is similar to the Unimog except the Tatra has the suspension mounted on the tube as well instead of coils on the end of the half shafts (axles). The Unimogs are awesome off road but poor load carrying capacity.
Wonder what the top speed of the Tatras are?
Anyway they should be cheaper than anything comparable (Unimog, Mann & the American stuff). Good luck trying to get one but, wonder if they will put a rescue pod on one. Should do speed humps alright Jaff.
cheers
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wonder if they will put a rescue pod on one. Should do speed humps alright Jaff.
cheers
<shrug> there'd probably be something suitable available ex-Czech Republic. Possibly even second-hand from Mother Russia. Maybe even get several per truck including troopie, field ambulance, mobile work-shop, command post & rocket launcher (to assist CFSVA/SESVA negotiating position...)
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I like your thinking :-D While I was on the Varley site they had a photo of a rebuilt Merc 911 appliance, a Mack & Unimog - they bought back happy memories(can't believe they rebuit the Mergs though!).
But your right of course there would be plenty of options around for a rescue body for the Tatra.
It would depend on the COST though.
cheers
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Did somebody say that tatra thing is crank, no way, i don't think you people understand the word crank... maybe if it was an FDNY tiller.
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hehe tillerman..Its just looks to be a good rural build truck.
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doesn't crank just mean big awesome and something you wish you had in your station?
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no no, Crank means kooky, or lunatic. Sadly some of our 'brothers' in certain areas of the State are unsure of correct terminology.
Personally I despise the term crank when its somehow 'related' to firefighting, and all those who use it :)
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Oh well it's good we have that sorted :-D
Why is it that so many things in CFS are done in such a Hush hush manner? Would it be to much to make CFS a much more transperant organisation or make it so that the lowely Firefighter can get more information without waiting for it to be chewed up and come down the chain.
Yes there are things that are irrelevant to us but how come we don't have a easily accsessable (eg on the CFS website) CFS weekly newsletter that comes from the top and would do much to dispell rumors.
I don;t mean to have a go at Burnside but their pumper seems to have been arranged very quietly. yet there are also many other things that although aern't quiet but you only find out about them through delayed channels eg what's happening with training courses LV3, the advanced CFBT course etc?
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Bittenyakka, its because you're a lowly, white helmeted, baggy arsed fireman. You don't need to know what those above have planned for us, you should just accept what is given.
After all, they are getting paid the big bucks, so ofcourse they know whats best...right?
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Anyway in reality Burnside are probably doing another brigade a favour. Do you really think they will be around for the next 20 years to enjoy the appliance anyway?
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Yes, Yes I do think we will be :-)
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Well i guess if i Firepac is your most crank truck then the Tatra looks pretty good...
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Thank god those Australs haven't yet made a dent into the SA fire truck market. Mind you, those RFS chaps have some nice frieghtliners which outdo both the Tatras and Firepacs in the so called 'crank' factor - Don't think they have any Firepacs lying around Tiller.
Burnside is doing the entire service a favour as they are demonstrating that you can get what you want, as long as its done the right way. Also, if their new appliance works as intended it may well pave the way for other brigades...
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nice way to look at things numbers :-D
I think what Burnside is doing is great but the problem is that we all know their correct channels are amounting to huge effort, for the vollies in their brigade, which really sucks to encourage the rest of us to put in the effort of getting good new equipment.
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Still waiting till see this appliance. Might not happen.
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Castles in the air ,with an appliance parked outside :-D
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I don;t get it :?
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I do.... :-D :-D :-D
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. (off topic comment, bak to topic!)
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If and when it gets here(there) I guess we can all see what it looks like and what it is..............
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Im sure it will happen. What they are after is completely reasonable.
But if it is going to take 13? years to design an appliance while working with CFS then its not feasible to do it with each brigade.
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There is no need for each brigade to design its own appliance. The CFS have nothing original in the "Heavy Urban Pumper" area, so hopefully Burnsides truck will set a precedent.
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But will this pumper be a once off due to the costing?? and mind you CFS have no money for new stations so how are they going to fit these bigger applinces into stations/sheds that are too small....
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It wont be much bigger than a type 2 if at all.
and as far as cost goes it may be slightly dearer than a type 2 but will probaly still come in cheaper than a MFS Pumper maybe? If the CFS decide they need a few more heavy pumpers than as numbers said this is basically a prototype.
By the way good point numbers. As far as each brigade designing there own appliance, its not necessary, but as far as at a regional level than its probaly a good idea. Something that works in region 5 may not work in region 1 (Height of appliances springs to mind) and obviously vice versa.
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Still waiting till see this appliance. Might not happen.
from what i have heard it is quite definitely happening mate...
COMP00 - sounds too me like it will be a bit bigger than the CFS type 2, and a large amount of $$$...
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Perhaps because finally a CFS truck is going to be a 'Fire Truck' not just a Commercial Truck with a firefighting back end.
Finally!
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Burnside requested a change of paint scheme as well to go with the innovative appliance?? :evil:
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Fire engine red maybe :-P :lol:
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finally the kids who grew up with Fireman sam will put 2 and 2 together ;)
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Ah the joys of Bumside, not just the firies, but the suburb in general. Here I am thinking Burnside Shopping Mall (actually located in Glenside) made extra wide car parks to fit the Burnside Tractors (eg 4 Wheel Drives) but it was actually for the new fire trucks, what initiative!!
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well the new parking lot is a much better improvement on the old one
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Yes, Yes I do think we will be :-)
But maybe in a "rural only" capacity?
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Being a pumper that does COQ into Station 20 as per EMA, youd hope it to be of a MFS pumper standard.
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Probably the biggest cost factor to CFS at present is fixing all the filtered on newly built appliances and the costs to get them fixed :?
They should follow the TFS example and build their spec 34's instead :wink:
As for tacking onto a MFS order, well we know that CFS does not want heavy pumpers in service....same can be said for us having the identical BA sets in both services.
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We would certinaly hate to have lighter cylinders with longer capacity ... :roll:
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Being a pumper that does COQ into Station 20 as per EMA, youd hope it to be of a MFS pumper standard.
Well then should every CFS brigade that borders MFS such as Eden Hills, Salisbury, Belair, TTG, Athelstone, Stirling, HV, MV etc who do COQs get one?
How about the regional CFS brigades that do COQ? I bet COMP00 would love a MFS standard pumper in their new shed.
Lets face it though, Burnside pumper has less to do with requirement and more to do with them having the money and will to do it.
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Well in the case of Change of Quarters for Adelaide 20, with a lot of high rise's with boosters and sprinklers...it would be where ud expect higher capacity pumpers to do it hence Burnside....and yes probably Athelstone, TTG, Salisbury, Belair, Morphett Vale etc....
It only takes 2or3 2nd alarms for CFS to be paged for COQ... to cover a full urban risk area.
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Well in the case of Change of Quarters for Adelaide 20, with a lot of high rise's with boosters and sprinklers...it would be where ud expect higher capacity pumpers to do it hence Burnside....and yes probably Athelstone, TTG, Salisbury, Belair, Morphett Vale etc...
The point that that hicksflat14 is trying to make is that every station that does COQ to any MFS station around the state could possible then argue that they *need* a decent pumper. The area covered by 20stn isn't that only place in the state with high rises and booster installations. I would be surprised if there were any Metropolitan MFS station WITHOUT booster installations in their response area.
We would certinaly hate to have lighter cylinders with longer capacity ... :roll:
The cylinder change over would be fantastic, but I'd be gunning for new BA sets. ANYTHING but the ones CFS currently use.
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I've just read this thread from start to finish, and I don't know guys, it seems to me that you lot should be running SAFECOM and not the other way around. lol :-D
I will say that from what i've heard from a couple of Burnside members, that your current truck is pretty well stuffed. How long is it going to be 'til you get your new truck?
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PS. I think that the Tatra looks pretty good, needs a decent bullbar, some driving lights and other mods. But lets face it, anything that can hold its own in the Paris-Dakar rally absolutely shits all over anything that the CFS currently has.
I'd take one at my brigade any day. :wink:
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it seems to me that you lot should be running SAFECOM and not the other way around. lol grin
lol...being a bean counter would suck actually :P
its CFS HQ who makes a lot of these decisions...they are a good bunch there "mostly" ;)
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Dezza how many people have you met from HQ?
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Apparently none.
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Ouch
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theres a few on here ;)...
they are a good bunch there "mostly" Wink
was just a generalisation....its not hard to think about what goes on there....
Back to Burnside Pumper....
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I've just read this thread from start to finish, and I don't know guys, it seems to me that you lot should be running SAFECOM and not the other way around. lol :-D
I will say that from what i've heard from a couple of Burnside members, that your current truck is pretty well stuffed. How long is it going to be 'til you get your new truck?
Looking at october/november 08 all going to plan...
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your profile picture looks like a nice photo gilly
what is it of?
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More like.. "What was"..
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it is a $2 million dollar bugatti veyron. Owned by an english guy, had it one week, lent it to his brother who wrote it off on a motorway. :lol:
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try not to do that to your new truck :-D :-P
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nice one, bet the brother was pleased!!
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What would be interesting to know is if the CFS have ever investigated building other pumpers besides the type 2, which is tacked onto the end of the NSWFB order.
For interests sake - how much extra would it cost to tack on 4 or 5 pumpers to an SAMFS or MFB order, compared to the current type 2.
Basically none of these trucks are going to be perfect for every response area but maybe more suited then the current type 2 in areas such as Happy Valley, Morphettvale, Seaford, Salisbury, Dalkeith, Athelstone, Burnside.
Just to make sure im not confusing anyone - all im saying is maybe there is other pumpers available on the market that maybe more suited to those areas for similar costs rather then building an individual appliance for each brigade as we all know this is not cost effective or efficient for the service.
Nice how you put in 3 of the Mawson Group Stations in there and forget about Mt. Barker who also have a tendancy for trying to get better trucks Aka Dennis (LOL), I hear Seaford are having fun with that at the moment and just as a question I have been hearing that atleast one Type 2 Pumper got sent back to SEM with Major Problems with it's Computerised Pumping System can anyone give us more info on who and what exactly is happening with that.
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Nice how you put in 3 of the Mawson Group Stations in there and forget about Mt. Barker who also have a tendancy for trying to get better trucks Aka Dennis (LOL), I hear Seaford are having fun with that at the moment and just as a question I have been hearing that atleast one Type 2 Pumper got sent back to SEM with Major Problems with it's Computerised Pumping System can anyone give us more info on who and what exactly is happening with that.
Thats Happy Valleys type 2 appliance, the auto control side of the pump apparently shat itself and it got sent back to Victoria to be fixed. As for the Dennis, no major problems (yet) just lots of annoying things go wrong each week....
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Much the same as when Mt Barker had it, loads of things going wrong every week.
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What would be interesting to know is if the CFS have ever investigated building other pumpers besides the type 2, which is tacked onto the end of the NSWFB order.
For interests sake - how much extra would it cost to tack on 4 or 5 pumpers to an SAMFS or MFB order, compared to the current type 2.
Basically none of these trucks are going to be perfect for every response area but maybe more suited then the current type 2 in areas such as Happy Valley, Morphettvale, Seaford, Salisbury, Dalkeith, Athelstone, Burnside.
Just to make sure im not confusing anyone - all im saying is maybe there is other pumpers available on the market that maybe more suited to those areas for similar costs rather then building an individual appliance for each brigade as we all know this is not cost effective or efficient for the service.
Nice how you put in 3 of the Mawson Group Stations in there and forget about Mt. Barker who also have a tendancy for trying to get better trucks Aka Dennis (LOL), I hear Seaford are having fun with that at the moment and just as a question I have been hearing that atleast one Type 2 Pumper got sent back to SEM with Major Problems with it's Computerised Pumping System can anyone give us more info on who and what exactly is happening with that.
Major problems?.. Info on 'who'? and what is happening with that?.. - Dunno mate, sounds like you've got all the info DA_FireyBond.
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I had just heard that one of the Type 2's had been sent back to SEM with a problem with it's Pumping System just not sure who's truck it was thought.
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Isnt this topic about Burnside Pumper :-P
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Yeah but I just want to know who's Type 2 Pump is that badly broken that it had to be sent back to S.E.M for repairs.
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Nice how you put in 3 of the Mawson Group Stations in there and forget about Mt. Barker who also have a tendancy for trying to get better trucks Aka Dennis (LOL), I hear Seaford are having fun with that at the moment and just as a question I have been hearing that atleast one Type 2 Pumper got sent back to SEM with Major Problems with it's Computerised Pumping System can anyone give us more info on who and what exactly is happening with that.
Thats Happy Valleys Type 2 appliance, the auto control side of the pump apparently shat itself and it got sent back to Victoria to be fixed. As for the Dennis, no major problems (yet) just lots of annoying things go wrong each week....
Your question was already answered DA :wink:
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Your question was already answered DA :wink:
I think DA already knew that, and was answering your question ;)
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This is all too Bond like for me !
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So what will happen to the old Burnside pumper when they get the new one?? I hope it does not get turned into a BWC would be nice to safe this appliance for show...
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Why not keep using it as a pumper? It's only 30 years old....
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So what will happen to the old Burnside pumper when they get the new one?? I hope it does not get turned into a BWC would be nice to safe this appliance for show...
They could donate it to a museum Bill :wink:
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Museum has been suggested but no one knows what might happen to it yet.... Will prob remain in service for a few weeks / months until the new one comes online fully (traning etc) but after that who knows.... would be nice to keep it as is and not turn it into a BWC or traytop, still in pretty good condition though...
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until the new one is online. It is the CFS remember. Usually someone drives the new one in and the old one straight out the door. Or of you are Mt Barker they drive in a type 2 and take your rescue and 24P.
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looks like there are faults with new Qld RFS trucks too:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/05/01/2232998.htm
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until the new one is online. It is the CFS remember. Usually someone drives the new one in and the old one straight out the door. Or of you are Mt Barker they drive in a type 2 and take your rescue and 24P.
Eden dug their heels in about that when the Louisville was replaced with the Type 2. It spent several weeks in a spare bay at another brigade before Eden "released" it back to SAFECom. The massive inertia of beaurocracy can be resisted/deflected/delayed if determined enough, & willing to reciprocate the paperwork bombardment.
cheers
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Why not keep using it as a pumper? It's only 30 years old....
Exactly, still another good 20 years to go! ;)
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Thanks for that, I accually had heard from a mate at Corro Valley Station that Happy Valley responded to a call last week with Clarendon 24P and an Unnamed 34, which I am guessing is a Region Spare. Which I guess means Happy Valley's 34 is up at Clarendon Station.
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why wouldnt the spare just go to clarendon?
Or is that just too obvious?
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I beleive HV needed the 34P before the spare 34 was available.
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Also I guess its fair that they both have a dual cab rather than lump the old piece of snot on Clarendon.
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Just my take on the deal. To cover the urban risks, HV needed a "P" appliance, so I guess the nearest suitable was Clarendon. In a "you scratch mine..." deal, have swapped HV34 for CL24P while HV Pumper is offline. HV are then using region spare 34 for rural jobs (old Sellicks 34). Wouldn't have thought Clarendon would have been too keen to hand over their twin cab 24P for an old clunker 34, just to satisfy HV's needs.
Probably figured that the 34 probably wouldn't get a lot of use this time of year...only to be followed by a spate of 4 or 5 grassies in as many days.
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you could also argue the other way around: Happy Valley have backup (both CFS and MFS) relatively close but Clarendon less so. So while there may be more risk in HV area, if something requiring a x4P happens in Clarendon the chances of it going wrong are higher.
And that old sellicks 34 that is the claytons region spare (ie. the spare the region has as it doesn't have a regional spare), is it still going around without a GRN mobile radio? I don't see how it can be an operational appliance without one, someone at the regional office is taking a big risk.
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I don't see how it can be an operational appliance without one, someone at the regional office is taking a big risk.
It has one - although it does appear to be an older model
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When we had the appliance for a month or so, it only had a VHF truck mounted radio.
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It has one, at times when I listen in on the Scanner I heard HV 34 come up on air along with HV24P. I guess they have been told to use those terms on the GRN instead of the Truck names so people don't get confused.
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I would think so Mr. Bond..
Heard all this from a mate and scanner hey?..
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Yes the Ex Sellicks 34 is fitted witn a Motorola XTL2500 GRN Mobile radio and a VHF :wink:
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Stranger things have happened.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Isn't the rule that the spare appliance takes on the call sign of the appliance that it replaces? Otherwise it get far to confusing.
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We have digressed from the Topic at hand somewhat, but...
That rule would make sense, to a point! In this case, the Spare 34 is identified on air as HV34 - the appliance it replaced. Clarendon, who have the appliance marked HV34 are referring to it as Clarendon 34, not CL24P. Furthermore, Clarendon 24P is not being referred to as Happy Valley Pumper (for obvious reasons), but is known as HV24P, an otherwise non-existant appliance. Any replacement appliance should be identified by its service capabilities, ie Pumper, 34, 24, or 24P. No point calling a truck a 24P if it isn't, just because it replaced a 24P. Put up your hand if your confused :lol:
We did trial calling the appliance by its marked identifier, ie CL24P, (actually, that decision was made for us) but that just caused total confusion when other agencies/groups were expecting HV, as per the pager message, and 'Clarendon' showed up at a job. I think we even got stopped for a job because we came up on air as CL24P. I think that's when we changed tack.
Can we have our Pumper back now, please, my head hurts!!?
Anyway, how is progress with the next generation Burnside truck??
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NextGen CFS wooo BRT!!!??? lol
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Can we have our Pumper back now, please, my head hurts!!?(quote)
Amen to that :cry:
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Hey Burnside Crew,if i was you guys id be keeping an eye on the company doing your new truck.They dont have a good track record,just ask the St Marys boys..
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The problems with the St Marys is more to do with the engine management system not working properly in conjunction with the pump I believe. Not a quality issue with the body build up.
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Yeah thats correct Uniden. I've had a good look at the build of that truck and t looks like a quality unit. Most issues were with the pump and the truck itself.
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Cool,they also found the pump wasnt correctly mounted,the tank baffles are welded in instead of being bolted,the monitor pedal release bolted from the pump frame to the body and it broke off.The grab handles in the wrong positions and a list of other things,worth a trip up to check these things.
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Thanks mate, we planned to go.
St Mary's truck seemed to be a well finished truck, and those issues are fairly minor compared with some of the probs that have occured in recent times from other manufacturers.
I would have thought welded baffles are preferred anyway? Any idea why bolted ones were specified?
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the reason for bolting in the baffles is so after 10 or so years when the tank is due for a new paint job,it is easier to remove the baffles for sand blasting and painting correctly.If there welded in and corrosion has set in,it becomes a pain in the donkey.
The main things which id be checking is the drive line angles and that the pump is bolted correctly.If there is vibration then those reasons may be why.
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Blackwood 24Cafs is a prime example of how not to do it, looks alright, pump shaft was very poorly aligned though. Amongst several other problems, would have been easier to ask for a refund, same with the current batch of 34P's, return them. Then again CFS probably wouldn't have that clause in their contracts, probably saved them a $100..... :-P
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Who built Blackwoods 24CAFS.
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Moore's
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Oh, strike them off the list.
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Blackwood 24Cafs is a prime example of how not to do it, looks alright, pump shaft was very poorly aligned though. Amongst several other problems, would have been easier to ask for a refund, same with the current batch of 34P's, return them. Then again CFS probably wouldn't have that clause in their contracts, probably saved them a $100..... :-P
From the sound of it, Blackwood CAFS was well built compared with the woes afflicting the CFS commissioned appliances. Especially given that it is a 1-off prototype, actually cost less than a CFS 34P, and its biggest issue was a defective engine in the cab/chassis from Hino. The others are production vehicles where the bugs should have been found & fixed in vehicle #1. No excuse for bugs in later vehicles at all. Poor contract management. Period.
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Prototypes are meant to have problems. You iron the bugs out in the first one. The problem arises when CFS refuses to fix the problem, or just patches the issue over and over again.
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Prototypes are meant to have problems. You iron the bugs out in the first one. The problem arises when CFS refuses to fix the problem, or just patches the issue over and over again.
Or the problem arises when they... Just build prototypes..
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Quailty Control is the big issue....i can see it now...the less well off guys in rundle mall hired by "the big issue" holding up this weeks magazine "CFS appliances, Lack of Quality Control". BUT...im actually starting to see the Season Change at last...with this years Varley Builds.
Meanwhile, burnside are the promising bunch, Good luck guys =)
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Actually Moore's did make a meal of the Darley pump installation on Blackwood CAFS.
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What was the problem with Blackwood 24CAFS? Its still one of the better looking CFS appliances.
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K55 - i believe the first issue was with a defective engine from Hino, replaced under warrantee??? The second issue was with the CAFS, whoever designed it failed to include the switchy thingo that enables you to select how dry the foam should be.... not sure what its called.... changes how much air enters the system.... now these issues are fixed its definitely a great little truck.... why CFS dont pick it up and use as a good urban/rural appliance is beyond me, would be much better to issue to adelaide hills brigades than these new gargantuan 34s and 34ps...
pumprescue - in my book, moores are definitely off the christmas list when it comes to pumps.... useless bunch of.... ;)
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OMGWTF. Are you a Blackwood Firefighter?
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OMGWTF, are you referring to the Foam Proportioner?
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Wasnt part of the issue with the Blackwood CAFS unit, that a shaft wasnt balanced properly and gradually it damaged the unit,just what I hear :wink:
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OMGWTF...can blackwood 24 cafs act as a pumper aswell?
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I think Blackwood had no regulation valve on the foam system somewhere,so i was told from the existing captain when the Darley man can down from the USA.The truth is no proto type is perfect,the key is not to filtered on when you havent fully tested it in anger.
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Blackwood 24CAFS is only a 500GPM pump, and doesn't have sufficient inlets and outlets to be a pumper. Not sure why they went for such a small pump, perhaps the truck itself is not able to run anything bigger ?
Jaff, I think you might be onto something there :wink:
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OMGWTF. Are you a Blackwood Firefighter?
negative.
OMGWTF, are you referring to the Foam Proportioner?
possibly???
zippy - refer to pumprescue's post, hes on the money