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General Discussion => SAMFS => Topic started by: Camo on June 14, 2006, 07:10:39 PM
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Gday Folks,
Just wondering if anyone can shed some light on something for me.
Does anyone know why 204 (rescue appliance) is responded to alarm calls etc along with 205 etc....
Does 204 carry structural gear or is purely man power?
Camo
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look at their website cam and find out?????
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yeah i've noticed that too. strange for a primarily RCR truck to respond to that stuff.
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Mt guess would be things like entry equipment. Heavy power saws, cutters, BA, and manpower...
Maybe ring MFS and ask ?????
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eh, I don't wanna find out that bad
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ha, nor do i. Was more a point that by the time the call was made and the "CORRECT" answer was sourced, there wouldn't need to be 40 posts and 3 pages worth of comments in this thread... :-P
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204 responds for man power and tools, years ago the 204 appliance had a pump on it but the last two bodies on the Volvo and scania have had no pump. If 204 did not attend they would have to respond a third pump from an out station or 202. 204 and 5 are the first trucks to go home from alarms so in 99% of cases they don't need the truck but as we have seen in recent days they are their ready for the big one.
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This kinda fits in the topic here
At MFS HQ do the fireys turn out with the same truck every single time on shift, eg always the same crews for 204, 205 etc or do they change after every tour and use all the trucks? (Does that make enough sense)
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This kinda fits in the topic here
At MFS HQ do the fireys turn out with the same truck every single time on shift, eg always the same crews for 204, 205 etc or do they change after every tour and use all the trucks? (Does that make enough sense)
I know you rotate through the positions on the truck (except OIC), but I believe the crews are set for a period of time / till you change to another truck...
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Yeah, driver/pump man, nozzle man, gopher etc gets cycled through on the same truck. But do they use another appliance on other day's?
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I dont believe so, I think the crews are rostered to a set truck for a certain amount of time..
Where'd you get the gopher from ? Two guys in the back work as a team.
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Read it in a book about QFRS. I know there is always a back up nozzleman, maybe they are the gopher.
OIC
Driver/Pump-no.2
branchman-no.1
gopher-no.3
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Nozzleman? What you are? A yank?
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No Im an aussie
branchman, number 1, hose dude, water boy, whatever floats your boat...
A lot of info I read and movies Ive seen are yankie movies so I just picked up a yankee term, anyone got links to aussie files with info?
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Not really the thing they would waste paper on mate.. More of a knowledge thing / exp. on the job type of knowledge..
FYI - Don't think we are as wanky as to call ourselves branch men, hosemen, etc etc. Officer turns around on the way to the call and says... " Can you grab a HP line, and *blah* can you back him up. "
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Ive never heard the term's used, only in training once when they said work it out between youse who is branchman, no.3 etc. usually its just someone come grab a branch.
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Roger.
Like I said it comes with exp etc. After a while it comes quite naturally, and with good crews the officer has to say very little...
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OIC, Driver/Pump operator, No.1, No.2 ?
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Driver/pump is no.2
Backupbranchman is no.3
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I think you will find every job will be different, and just cause the guy sitting in the rear passenger side had the hose on the first call, may not neccasarilly do the same the call after...
Making this into something more difficuly than pythagoras's(sp) theory !
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was under the impression its number 1 and number 2...
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quite frankly, who cares?
you have several people on your appliance and you call them by their names, not "branchman no. 2"
people respond better to being called their name, than "driver", or "branchman 2"
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was under the impression its number 1 and number 2...
Could sound like a scene from StarTrek.
"fire when ready, number 1" :evil:
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I think its more like "John, you take the branch, Simon, youre no.3, back him up." Or John will say "Ill take ther branch" and so he beocmes the branchman, I dont think they go around calling each other no.1, no.3 like some cult.
Any MFS, or CFS who work this way people out there care to elaborate on exactly how its done :-P
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ITs doen just like probie and I have said.
EG
"Dave, grab the filtered high pressure line mate and go in the front door with chris, ill put out a second alarm"..
So don't make it complicated with all these numbers and crap, dont think anyone has ever used them / does use them.
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yeah but the term's are used, "who is branchman/no.1?" etc you know what I mean, but they wouldnt go around calling each other no.1, branchman they would use name like youse said.
Geez, Ive really made a mountain out of a mole hill here :lol:
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agree with everyone basically, and im just being a nob... but;
isnt it common knowledge that there is number one tow and three when it comes to carting a HP or other hoseline around??? as in;
number one; on the branch
number two; knee in number ones back :-D
number three; taking some pressure of one and two by dragging hose...
or is that just my brigades thing :?
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Haha, yeah if you are lucky enough to get that many crew ;) There is a book, the one I THINK PF is referring to, that suggests how the QRFS do it, its an odd number system. Yet I think were all getting confused by position names for instruction on how something should be done eg No.1 has the branch, No.2 drags the living filtered out of the hose, for instruction as to how things are meant to take place.
Also, nice to see the filter is broken :-o
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Also, nice to see the filter is broken
they forgot the obvious words... lol
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These things happen occasionally.... :wink:
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Technically the OIC would say as you arrived at a job, "I want 2 high pressures, crew get to work"
Normally speaking " Get out 2 high pressures"
Or the OIC would just use your names.
P.S You dont need back up when using HP
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Haha, yeah if you are lucky enough to get that many crew ;) There is a book, the one I THINK PF is referring to, that suggests how the QRFS do it, its an odd number system.
Correct.
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P.S You dont need back up when using HP
PS i guess that depends on what dodgy donkey truck your runningon... and what pressure your using... and your personal ability...
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Woops.. hope that wasn't my bad... lol ...
Medevac, yea I know the positions you refer two, and yes that is correct, but my point was more that you never call them that on a job, or refer to them on the way to the job..
Well.. I have never heard it with the multiple brigades I have been apart of.
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The numbering of crew refers back to the days of the hose cart training method and the four man hose drill. No 1. Branch to scene of fire, No 2. Harden couplings and back up No 1, No 3 Clear hose and connect to water source, No 4 Sink Standpipe and turn on. The Officer gave the commands by way of a whistle.
This was then changed to the fire appliance, where No 1 was the firefighter responsible for taking the branch to the scene of the fire, No 2 was to assist No 1 and back him up if reqired - remember the hose they were using were all 64mm caanvas with a straight bore branch. The driver became No 3 and 4 and his job was to get water to the branch and then get water into the truck (sink a standpipe). The Officer was not part of the numbering system as he still require to size up and give commands.
On 204 the crews responsibilites at fire alarms are the rescue crew and they are to carry out a search and rescue of the floor above the fire floor. This is in preparation of a worst case scenerio.