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the SES are running a vertical rescue course at the cfs state training center early next month after many months/years of fighting the cfs/ses have organised it. YA i hear that naracoorte and robe cfs brigades are happy to have some thing organised finally. lets hope it is the start of many more decisions that make sense. lets stop all the infighting with in the fire and rescue services.

As for air bags the Naracoorte brigade had to replace their two air bags  some 2 years ago  as they where bought by the community the brigade had to pay half the cost of replacing them and region paid the rest.


Bill as per usual your information is wrong please get your story full of facts and not full of crap

third pump???
are they keeping the other truck
are they going to have 4 trucks

R E C E O
and thats all ive got to say on this matter

As PIP,has said the power is in the hand vote them out,You talk about aux members showing up at the AGM what about the so called paid staff that still hold brigade positions of LT'S or those staff that you never see at training and only show up at the brigade election to have a vote then you never see them again till next year.......Come on CFS wake up and sort this kind of crap out once and for all. When members of a brigade i used to belong to joined the paid staff they where asked to stand down as brigade officer's from the RC or H/Q but yet in other parts of the state staff still hold RANK in a volunteer brigade....

I belive that the rules are quite clear about who can and can't hold positions in brigades.
You cannot hold 2 ranks at the same time. Meaning if you hold a position of power up the food chain you cannot also hold a position lower in the food chain. If you hold no operational rank as a staff member then you can hold an operational position as a vollie.

It comes back to are you in it for the right reasons if all you want is a tax break or the gov to help prop you up then i suggest that you are in it for the wrong reasons. Do the lions/rotary,probus clubs sponsor there vollies petrol when out helping to community i dont think so!!!! if you dont like it then dont filtered do it!!!

if you want to know some thing ask your captain and follow the chain of command that is what it is there for, the system wont work properly if you dont follow the chain of command. And as usual the people that want to email the cheif cause of some bull scheiße issue in their brigade or group are the biggest problem. USe the chain and see how well it acctually works

Quote from: SA- Private- Contractor on July 13, 2008, 04:09:24 PM

Hi all i'm new to this forum so play nice.

I have worked in the fire industry for a large company and we have installed a large number of booster, sprinkler and back up pump sets over the past 15 years, trains on site fire fighting teams, and teaches fire units all over Asia. We also conduct the flow testing on them through our own large fire truck. The CFS should receive comprehensive training on the use of booster, FIPs and installed systems to save time and peoples lives. Currently the idea of a untrained CFS crew using a booster at a site we own or service is not a good one. If the booster is linked to the sprinklers and is over pressurised it could result in the sprinklers blowing and a drastic drop in water pressure. At the moment only the MFS has enough training to be able to use boosters and installed systems to their advantage. I allowed a 34p and two people for CFS HQ and showed them how to use the boosters efficiently. We then set up a 100ft running fire told them they would need to use the boosters... they failed horribley, NOT!!! because they were stupid, not paying attention but because they don't get the oppotunity to practise on them enough to have that conditioned response.

If the CFS is to be able to operate effective in the built up areas where they may be needed in the event (fingers crosses, Touch wood) that a fire get to the edge of the suburbs where boosters are avaliable or where a large rural factory or distribution centre (monarto Big W?) catches fire the CFS MUST be able to use the boosters without hesitation.



Also i have attached a pic of the truck my company is about to buy, its got a Waterous 2 stage, PTO driven pump with 4 BA seats.

Im under the impression there will be a course being introduced to eligible brigades within the next 12 months to deal with these issues. Whether it covers what you have outlined completely im not sure but i agree with you completely.  The CFS has not upheld its obligation to train crews in the use of booster systems. 

Our brigade has 3 boosters (that i am aware of) in our area and we have not had any training in how to use these or an appliance to use on these.  Granted MFS also dual respond to these alarms but as has been said in a previous thread, we cant use them as an excuse to get a better truck, so why should they (HQ) be allowed to use the MFS as an excuse not to provide a sufficient truck?  But anyway thats another issue.

Have you eva thought that it may just be up to you to find out how these boosters in your own area work!!!
Don't keep looking to pass the buck. Maybe instead of scheiße canning the MFS in the mount all the time ( as it seems thats all your group is capable off) and asking them to show you how they work. Time we all started to work together and at the end of the day as long as the fire gets put out then who really cares

But when has CFS taken any notice of what the Volunteers want for the risk that the brigade has???

Because some vols are clueless to what they requie to acctually look after their area

Its not always a we want world, need to justify why you would like it, and not just sook and winge that we want one cause the brigade up the road has one

Quote from: Fox Mulder on June 10, 2008, 08:45:55 PM

Quote from: bill - Hynam CFS on June 10, 2008, 05:19:14 PM

RCR gear for the pumper when the rescue was well out of town and other small gear.
You cant be every where all of the time and you cant have $5-$7K of gear just sitting around just in case your main rescue truck is out of town(would be nice if money grew on trees)

If thats the attitude you wish to take, then how about we sell all the usar equipment the SES has, as how often does that get used?  What about all the CBR equipment? how often do we have a terroist attack?  When was the last time some of the smaller, lesser known brigades had an entrapment? yet they still have a set of rescue gear.

Works both ways!

Just for the record, i know of a couple of times they have been caught out of town and had a second rescue.  and considering the nearest rescue appliances struggle for trained operators then i dont see how there can be such an arguement for not allowing a second set of gear.  Also i dont think they are asking for a full set, simply a combi tool and what ever that comes with (im not in a rescue brigade, so im not sure what is involved.)

[edit: fixed quoting]

now cam have just got off the phone with a long serving lt with ncte. he cann't remember of any occasion in the last 20yrs that ncte has benn caught out with there rescue truck out of town i guess your not as informed as you think

would love to have dates of said occasions

May be FOX should come out and say if he is a staff member as it would only be staff members or Naracoorte briagde members who know the story....

Not a staff member and not with naracoorte. Do have some friends in ncte though.
Because i choose to hear both sides of a story before making a informed comment does not make me a staff member. I choose to listen when told all of the reasons that decisions are being made and not just the reasons that i dont like or are able to easilly bitch about. Far too much bashing of the system goes on, like i said before if you learn to work with the system and the staff then outcomes will more often fall your way

As I am no longer a member of the Naracoorte brigade I wont be discussing the RCR gear....

What happened with ncte did you move away?

All fair points - by the way USAR is mostly funded by the Feds as I said. And its not $5 - $7k for the tools, you need to factor in cost of hoses and a pump as well. Plus all of the other gear as well approx all up $20k - $30k! thats new of course.
And in some areas of the state 45 minutes is a short time, I know thats not right but we live in a real world.
Your backup would be from Penola (54kms),Bordertown (81 kms), thats not too bad considering one is to the North & one to the south would lessen travel time & you are covered to the west as well!
So sorry Bill & Cameron it's still "nice to have" not essential or if you think you really have a need, raise the money yourselves & buy your own set (we did that for a second set of cutters ).
As for the brigades or units that have the gear but don't do many jobs, you could take it off them for your just in case scenario - but what happens when they get their 1 in 10 year job?
Anyway I guess it's your problem & it will all sought itself out one day
cheers

Lucindale to the west 45 ks  Padthaway to the nth 48ks  edenhope across the border to the east 50ks surrounded by back up really

what sort of stuff did they get nocked back on? was it trucks or equipment

There has also been a problem with CFS members showing up at call outs(not in there area) taking photo's and getting in the way,some members have also taken it too far buy going out and buying tabards with CFS on it saying they are a CFS photograph when in fact they are members of the cfs just taking photo's...... As I undertsand it the only one's with the Tabards are those who are in the cfs promo unit,sure Pip will help me out there....

There has been issues in the past where people in the CFS have used there pager for all the wrong reasons and turned up inappropriately at incidents to take photos, some times arriving before the fire truck!!! Not on, if you can arrive to take photos then you can turn out with the brigade