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General Discussion => SA Firefighter General => Topic started by: Bagyassfirey on January 30, 2009, 12:00:04 PM
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looks like there having a hell of a time in South East VIC i think its burnt in some total of 1500 ha
Urgent Threat Message for the communities of Darlimurla and surrounds
30/01/2009
Incident Information
The Delburn Complex of fires has spotted ahead of the eastern edge of the Darlimurla fire, burning within two kilometres of Boolarra and residents in Boolarra may be directly impacted upon by this fire.
Core Advice
Residents in this area may experience smoke and burning embers reaching their properties, and are advised to patrol their houses to find and put out any burning embers that may be landing.
Protect yourself from radiant heat by wearing correct protective clothing consisting of long-sleeved shirts, long pants, sturdy boots and a broad brimmed hat. On no account should synthetic material be worn.
As the fire front approaches, it will be unsafe to be either on foot or in a car as the heat radiating from the fire will be intense. Buildings will offer the best protection during the passage of a fire front. Close all doors and windows and stay inside the house while the fire passes. Remain alert, extinguish any small fires and if necessary, move outside to burnt ground once the fire has passed.
If you are caught on the road, don't get out and run.
o Pull to the side, preferably in an area clear of tall trees and long grass.
o Put your hazard lights on and close the windows and vents.
o Cover any exposed areas of skin with a woollen blanket and get down as low as possible.
o Only when the fire has passed do you get out and move to safety.
Drink plenty of fluids to avoid dehydration.
Residents away from home should not try to return to the area as access is limited and the roads may not be safe.
Continue to listen to ABC or local radio for updates on this fire.
Additional Information
People are advised to stay away from the following areas: Yinnar and Boolarra areas
Road closures currently in place:
Mirboo North-Boolarra Road
Strezelecki Highway north and south of Mirboo North
Thorpdale Road to Strzelecki Highway
Strzelecki-Yinnar Road
Creamery Road
Main Road, Yinnar
Darlimurla to Strzelecki Highway Road
Old Darlimurla Road
Boolarra - Mirboo North Road
Strzelecki Highway at Mirboo North
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South Australia REALLY HAS IT EASY...
QDR20 ALL. From RDO OWENS. Statewide Update FYI. Fires burning in Mirboo North "Delburn Complex" in R10 is currently at 2149ha and Going, 74 appliances with more S/T enroute & 10 aircraft. Churchill Park (Rowville) in R13, 20ha and Going, 37 appliances (incl MFB Strike Team) & 5 aircraft, currently impacting on multiple homes and HV powerlines. Blanxholme in R5 is currently Contained at 475ha. Fire weather extreme across the state and still increasing. Please remain vigilant. Stay Safe. Cheers Mark
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where ya score that info from zippy??
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South Australia REALLY HAS IT EASY...
QDR20 ALL. From RDO OWENS. Statewide Update FYI. Fires burning in Mirboo North "Delburn Complex" in R10 is currently at 2149ha and Going, 74 appliances with more S/T enroute & 10 aircraft. Churchill Park (Rowville) in R13, 20ha and Going, 37 appliances (incl MFB Strike Team) & 5 aircraft, currently impacting on multiple homes and HV powerlines. Blanxholme in R5 is currently Contained at 475ha. Fire weather extreme across the state and still increasing. Please remain vigilant. Stay Safe. Cheers Mark
Your right Zipster, we do have it easy "AT THE MOMENT" lets not taunt the fire gods too early though............oh hang on,... I forgot we have FLYNN, taunt on!
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FLYNN...gosh i hate that name....reminds me of home and away...
Fire God's ey...more like Fire Princess's
search around for CFA Pager feed's on google Mac13.
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Why couldnt they have named the skycrane Bluey instead of Flynn :roll:
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i see they have 110 appliances at one of the bushfires.
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From ABC News - Incident controller CFA "forget the spin doctors - we are in deep scheiße!"
Best comment I have heard in years
All the best CFA hope you guys come out of it ok
Stay safe
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Just got of the phone from a CFA friend down that way,some 20 aircraft are battling the fire with little effect,crews have been pulled from the fireline to do asset protection. There are also reports of spot fires and some new fire's in the area.
He did say that someone said on the radio that teh scheiße as well and truely hit the fan.....
Stay safe guys and girls
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The Two Fire's have nearly Joined.
http://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/incidents/images/news_image/delburn_20090130_1945_hi_detail_20819.jpg
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All of you red blooded Aussies call yourselves South Australians (except you chook, go pick that rice for a while :P) and here you are worrying about VICTORIA.
It make me sick to the very pit of my stomach!
But, that said, hope all you dirty vics are staying safe. I hope we don't have to dirty any of our trucks by going over on strike teams, I don't think the CFS can afford to replace a whole S/T or two worth of contaminated vehicles.
But seriously, looks very bad and hope that the ladies and gents can get on top of it quick smart.
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where ya score that info from zippy??
From here mac http://www.mazzanet.id.au/pager-cfa.html
The CFA boys really worked hard today with fires at Churchill ,Berwick and Bangholme making for some very interesting moments, all I heard was make tankers 3,10 Pumpers 2,3, Air Support.
They lost 5 houses at one fire today and an MFB strike team was also called for.
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Sorry Numbers - I'm actually a Mexican (born in Altona, grew up in Melbourne & NE Victoria just try to keep it quiet :-D )
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Sorry Numbers - I'm actually a Mexican (born in Altona, grew up in Melbourne & NE Victoria just try to keep it quiet :-D )
:-o SES AND a Mexican?
Oh dear lordy!
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Yeah I know :oops: & my stars are saying more than likely go back there in less than twelve months :-(
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I am also a Victorian, Update of this fire is not good town has run out of water and the town is now under attack from embers,the two fires have now become one..
Hope the guys and girls take it safe and my old brigade is well in the action down there....
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South Australia REALLY HAS IT EASY...
Don't speak too soon, all it takes is 1 lightning strike to start a fire and with these warm winds and high fuel loads, we would be in real danger.
I understand Victoria are doing it tough but it wont take much for S.A to be in a similar situation
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isolated lightning strikes forecast for fair percentage of state 2 mora afternoon with 25-30 knot SE winds so yea don talk to soon..but for sure good luck boys n girls in VIC.
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http://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/incidents/images/news_image/20090131_0800_Delburn_Complex_hi_detail_20875.jpg
inexcess of 6200ha now.
the wind direction is certainly helping take the force of the fire away from Boolarra, but that may change during the day.
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HbBOOL2 G&SC1 GUM PLANTATION FIRE CNR LIMONTIE-BOOLARRA RD/FISHERS RD BOOLARRA SVSE 6882 F11 (352495) F090110172 [BOOL]
Looks to be the most South Eastern part of the fire complex.
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1 House confirmed lost, possibily upto 11. Hope everyone got out.
Not good at all.
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11:33:02 31-01-09 QDDelburn Fire Update. Fire now 6100+ ha & not fully contained. O/night fire behaviour less than previous night. Crews were focused on asset protection, blacking out & line construction. Confirmed 1 house lost, unconfirmed up to 20 others. Impact assessment crews out today assessing losses. Wx today expected to be slightly milder. This should enable further consolidation of control lines & impact assessment of this fire. Many thanks to all across Reg 10 for the continued support & commitment.OO Allan Rankin.
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Satellite photo of the fire
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/36000/36861/seaustralia_amo_2009030_lrg.jpg
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NSW RFS are ready to come help join in if needed as per a post on OZFIRE...
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as in they have been asked to go help or is it just a statement from someone saying they would go???
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QDR20 ALL. Statewide Fire Update. The only significant fire burning is the Delburn Complex of fires in R10. Currently at 5534ha and still going, it has 111 appliances, 12 Dozers, 15 aircraft, 160 CFA personnel. The fire has 2 divisions and 4 sectors. Strike teams have been sourced from the North East and outer Melbourne brigades. Asset protection is still the prioirty. Our weather is still in the extreme. Please remain vigilant and stay safe. Cheers O/O Mark Owens
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QDOps update. Delburn Complex. West Div. Grnd crews & aircraft continue to hold the two main areas of fire activity Sth of Delburn & near Sampson Rd. East Div. Earlier spot fires have been rounded up & fire activity has decreased. Aircraft & ground crews are fully involved in suppression works. Confirmed losses23 houses & 29 sheds, more losses expected. A new fire is currently burning Nth of Licola, DSE & CFA resources incl 2 fixed wing fire bombers enroute. This fire has potential. OO Allan Rankin.
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hmm....Licola is serious fire risk country......hope theres a weather change for them soon :?
Having lived in Gippsland....have a cpl friends around Mirboo Nth.....they are fine....but a bit dodgy all around the town.....
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Yeah we got friends who now have a good fire break on one side of their property - it burnt right up to the road and was held there, they have chosen to stay and defend (well protected) their property.
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Licola is now a large fire and going,The area is mainly timber country and I know it very welll from my many camping trips up there when i was a kid.
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apparantly conditions are much cooler and light drizzle is falling this morning...lets hope they get on top of it this morning :-)
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anyone got any more info on these?
i read on sky news today confirmed 23 houses lost, 29(?) sheds, a piggery and lots of cars
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This fire is still listed as going but by all accounts is under control full cost wont be knowen for a few more days...
As of today CFA/DSE have some 20 fire's as listed as going due to a large band of lightning over the past 36hrs....
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RAIN has fallen in Victoria's Gippsland region helping contain a bushfire that destroyed 29 homes.
The Delburn complex fire remains nearly 6,400 hectares in size but the number of firefighters in the region has been reduced.
The Department of Sustainability and Environment (DSE) says the fire, resulting from a number of blazes converging, has eased.
Firefighters are hopeful of having it fully contained by late today.
Many firefighters brought into the region on Sunday night from Victoria's northeast have not had to fight any fires this morning.
East of the Delburn complex fire, near the township of Licola, a group of fires that had been burning out of control have been put out without loss of property or life.
Gallery: Gippsland bushfires
Only one small fire, north of Yackandandah, remains uncontrolled.
"There has been a lot of new fires start because there has been so much lightning. All but one of them has been brought under control already," Luke Brown from the DSE says.
"At the end of the week we are going to return to shocking conditions, on Thursday, Friday and in particular Saturday are going to be stinking hot."
While there is no total fire ban in Victoria on Monday, fire conditions remain extreme, particularly north of the Great Dividing Range, where most centres are expecting top temperatures in the high 30s to low 40s.
Many Gippsland residents made emotional visits to their properties to inspect the damage on Monday.
The next step for residents around the town of Boolarra, in Victoria's east, is to rebuild homes that were destroyed or damaged.
Boolarra Development Committee chairman Robert Herni says the town will be heavily dependent on financial assistance.
"This community is pretty resilient and tough," Mr Herni says.
"It won the Small Community Of The Year award in 2007-08 and that pride will help us bounce back."
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looks like VIC is gettin another beating with multiple large fires
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Kilmore fire is now 1000hct and going in grass and scrub have posted photos on OZFIRE...Lots of briagde's asking for urgent tanker help and in some cases briagdes have no appliances at their stations to attend call outs..... MFB have sent pumper strike teams to help mann CFA stations but no sooner are the mobile they are paged for jobs.....Hope it dies down soon......
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be alright if i could get on ozfire :x......i can see a convoy of white trucks heading east coming on
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12 KILMORE EAST SAUNDERS RD 07/02/2009 16:03:00 Grass Going Large 94 appliances
Mac you need to register to get on OZFIRE :wink:
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yea sa firey i tried n it tells me my email address has been barred or sumfin
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yea sa firey i tried n it tells me my email address has been barred or sumfin
You need to use your ISP email address as hotmail etc are banned :wink:
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ahhhh h many thanks Sa FIREY :)
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I want to say that the staff at VICFIRE (CRD) are doing a filtered great job and with so much going on with radio traffic and incoming calls one can only hope that if and when we get a full CRD that it will be up to the one that the Victorians have...
Have been talking to a number of CFA friends and they are telling me that CFA should have been calling in for help from interstate due to the amount of call's and large fire's.... I guess we might get a run if needed and there are a couple of fires that region 5 CFS could send a striek team into region 17 or region 4 CFA. Still hot and windy here and has cooled down but the wind has picked up again....
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Radio message from a CFA Group Officer fire is advancing towards him and he has residents with him requesting urgent assistance. :-o
A stream for CFA using iTunes Pres Ctrl U and add link at r9stream.dcsi.net.au:8000/
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hhhmmm thats a worry....i see a news report reporting one firefighter with 50% burns to body...yad think coleraine is close enough to SA to call im some resources since its relatively quiet here
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hhhmmm thats a worry....i see a news report reporting one firefighter with 50% burns to body...yad think coleraine is close enough to SA to call im some resources since its relatively quiet here
04 COLERAINE 07/02/2009 15:21:00 Grass Going Large 34 appliances
Radio is going nuts VICFIRE have no appliances to respond to a lot of jobs, and there are make tankers 5,10 going everywhere :-o
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Killarney control make tankers 15 at Warrigal
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keep us informed Mate doesn sound good..how long will they hold out b4 they sing out for help?
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VICFIRE radio is mad they have run out of trucks one group is asking for 10 more tankers,friend from Wallan just called she said there may have been a death or two from the fire's it was on her local radio (not CFA radio)....
Would not take long for region 5 to get a team rolling if needed,take two appliances from the following groups,Naracoorte,Wattle Range,Lucindale and Gambier.
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well as far as im concerned get us over there they came in our time of need on KI last year
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well as far as im concerned get us over there they came in our time of need on KI last year
Agree 100%
Strike Team 0825 and 0864 at Killarney fire
Pumper 31 responding Narrewarren fire houses under threat
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one truck from every group south and East of Pt Augusta wed be in VIC by sunrise....but meeeehh i guess the powers to be will decide that
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Clyde Tanker on scene 3 houses fully involved
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just saw footage on news....OMFG!!!
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Reports of an appliance seen burnt out :-o
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yea i believe dimboola lost their unit at horsham today along with 3 houses and the golf club
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HbRE EVENT F090202992: ... 2 PEOPLE TRAPPED IN THE HOUSE. CALLER SAYS SURROUNDED BY FIRE. AMBULANCE NOTIFIED [ELPH]
R02 - Elphinstone
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Job at Evans Rd & South Gippsland Highway 4 houses lost
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i cant seem to get on the CFA pager site must be down or sumfin
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i cant seem to get on the CFA pager site must be down or sumfin
http://www.emergencyalertnet.com/eas/filter.html
Hit refresh when it goes blank
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thanx mate..just sit back and wait for the interstate deployment page now..
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Situation all filtered up....and CFS wont do anything. The Border is a Brickwall unless your a border group.
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Situation all filtered up....and CFS wont do anything. The Border is a Brickwall unless your a border group.
why is that??
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its CFS.
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fair enuff zippy we are all allowed our opinion :wink:
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my POV would be to send 20 appliances and 4 command cars.
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well we r all in agreeance than whether or not Euan has jumped on phone and offered assistance or not is another thing
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Just sit back and wait for the page to come in but make sure to have your bags packed ready incase :wink:
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dry lightning is n hitting the Kilmore area,reports of homes surrounded by fire with persons inside and no fire appliances in area to help....If it was the Dimboola tanker taht would be their brand new one......
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yea bill im pretty sure i read that somewhere..yea who knows what CFS/CFA/DSE would be thinkin re some help
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Would not take long for region 5 to get a team rolling if needed,take two appliances from the following groups,Naracoorte,Wattle Range,Lucindale and Gambier.
You got that right Bill it would only take one phone call and we would have an impressive strike team ready for action
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HbRE EVENT 3165...MG: 10 PEOPLE...KIDS AND ADULTS TRAPPED AND SUURROUNDED BY THE FIRE PERSONS ARE LOCATED AT THE NARBETHONG TIMBER MILL [BUXT]
R12 - Buxton
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@@ALERT F090203628 KING1 STRUC1 50 PEOPLE UNDER THREAT IN MULTI PURPOSE ROOM @ KINGLAKE PRIMARY SCHOOL - KINGLAKE MCMAHONS RD KINGLAKE /GOODALL ST M 380 J7 (547460) FLOW GLBU KIWE WHIT [GLBU]
R12 - Glenburn
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Hurry up CFS do something to help these guys out, they obviously need help.
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one of my best mates, who is in another cfs brigade locally....his sisters home's been burnt down in the bunyip ranges.... :(
CFS would be silly to reject calls for help. sorry, dont give a damm that we've also got land to protect here...thats why we have 10,000 volunteers. We have NO major fire's, and VERY low FDI's.
We are here to protect, ourselves, our neighborhoods, our neighbours neighborhoods, our states neighborhoods and our interstates neighborhoods.
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@@ALERT F090203739 NARB1 G&SC1 5 MEN TRAPPED IN RIVER @ CROSS COUNTRY JEEP CLUB SURROUNDED BY FIRE NARBETHONG (3778) UNKNOWN - ERSN AREA SVC 6452 K5 (793452) ACHE BUXT MVIL NARB TAGG [MVIL]
R12 - Marysville
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Everyone saddle up its going to be a long ride :roll: :-)
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im saddled i hate lookin at somethin knowin ya can lend a hand and all ya doin is waitin for the call...HURRY UP EUAN!!!
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dont leave it up to euan...leave it up to Michael Wright.
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If they ask for people tomorrow i'll be putting my hand up right away even if its for 3 or 4 days :-D
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be minimum 5 days depending on whether trucks are taken or not...just a guess than again nothing mite happen at all
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3 persons deceased at one location just reported.
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and they would ask for "1.0" People.
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3 persons deceased at one location just reported.
scheiße!
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Stuff it, lets do it like the old days I can not sit back and watch this :| :x
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well ill have room for 4 on a truck if were goin to do that :-P
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Traralgon fire is impacting townships and burning in an easterly direction pushed by south easterly winds
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@@ALERT F090203815 GLBU2 STRUC1 HOUSES ON FIRE CNR WEST BRIDGE RD/MELBA HWY GLENBURN SVC 6367 A13 (604524) FLOW GLBU YEAA [FLOW]
R12 - Flowerdale
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Update http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25018722-661,00.html
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SA Firey how long has it been since you have seen a situtation this bad?
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A fire of this magnitude is either a carbon copy of the 1939 or 1983 fires
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ROFL @ MOD's comment . . .
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SA Firey how long has it been since you have seen a situation this bad?
Ash Wednesday Chris, and the radio traffic is bringing it all back :-o
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very sad this......hasnt finished yet
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Now I look at it, I know the answer myself. :roll:
I feel for the vic's at the moment. I hope every comes home.
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any one got Euan's number send a anonymous text......
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We could get a strike team formed here of members who wanted to go :wink:
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i think given his association with the Mexicans you can be very very sure that he is closely involved.....if they want us, then they'll ask, and we will go....very simple.
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dead right..i wonder how long it will take for the help to be asked for..especially with NSW having 40 odd fires and another hot day 2 mora SA seems the likely source
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and just quietly....NSW aint fairing that well either......
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We could get a strike team formed here of members who wanted to go
SAFF members to the rescue lead by Captain SA Firey :-D
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Victoria's firefighting resources are stretched to the limit as more than 3000 firefighters try to save homes across the state.
Fighting the fires
Firefighters: 3192 (552 DSE, 2500 CFA, 140 MFB)
Fire vehicles: 342 (142 DSE, 200 CFA)
Bulldozers: 23
Aircraft: 37
Weather:
State max 47.9 at Avalon
Melbourne max 46.4 winds up to 116km/h at Swan Hill
Injuries:
One man in critical condition with burns to 50 per cent of his body
Losses:
At least 30 houses, a golf club, a fire truck, several sheds.
Fires:
HORSHAM
At least three houses, the Horsham Golf Club, several sheds and a Dimboola fire unit truck destroyed.
The Remlaw fire burnt out more than 2500 hectares with urgent threat messages issued for the communities of Haven, McKenzie Creek, Bungalally and Green Lake to the west of Horsham City.
Fire jumped the Western Highway and impacted Drung Drung in Horsham's east.
KILMORE
Houses in Wandong believed to be destroyed.
At least 1400 hectares burnt out around four kilometres east of Kilmore, directly threatening Wandong and the communities of Hidden Valley, Heathcote Junction, Upper Plenty and Whittlesea.
Pushed close to King Lake with unconfirmed reports of houses being destroyed.
CHURCHILL
Potential threat to Loy Yang power station and also to communities of Devon North, Yarram and Langsbrough on the Gippsland coast. Ripped through 600 hectares of pine forests in one hour.
BUNYIP
Broke containment lines overnight, forcing ground attack firefighters to retreat.
Residents evacuated from nursing homes, reports of house lost in Labertouche, ember attacks also on Garfield North, Tonimbuk, Robin Hood, Drouin West, Buln Buln, Tarago, Jindivick, Jindivick North, Longwarry, Longwarry North, and Drouin.
DARGO
Alpine fire in East Gippsland approximatley 650 hectares in size. While not initially a direct threat to property, the communities of Bullumwaal, Mount Taylor, Clifton and Sarsfield were on alert.
COLERAINE
One man protecting his home suffers burns to 50 per cent of his body.
Fire crossed the Princes Highway between Danedite Road and Johnstons Road, heading north east towards Pomborneit North also threatening residents of Scollers Road, Carters Roads Settlement and Swan Marsh.
REDESDALE
Grass fire started nine kilometres west of Redesdale south of Lake Eppalock near Bendigo estimated to be over 6000 hectares in size, threatening communities of Barfold, Langley and Metcalfe East.
MURRINDINDI
Murrindindi Mill fire in the Mount Despair State Forest expected to directly attack communities of Marysville and Buxton, while Healesville residents also warned of ember attack.
YARRA GLEN
30ha fire threatens vineyards.
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We could get a strike team formed here of members who wanted to go
SAFF members to the rescue lead by Captain SA Firey :-D
It's all about assisting our fellow brothers Rob, and I and others sit here and feel so helpless it is depressing :evil:
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It's all about assisting our fellow brothers Rob, and I and others sit here and feel so helpless it is depressing :evil:
Its tearing me up inside too SA Firey :cry: i feel us South Aussies can make a huge difference if were asked to go over and help our CFA Brothers And Sisters
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its not bout tearing up reobert...its about bein an aussie and when a mate even if weve never met them before needs a hand we go and we dig in an we do what needs to be done. HURRY UP FILTERED SAKE!!! ( if anyone sees a 24 appliance tearing down the highway to vic don be alarmed prob just me) 8-)
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HbNSTH1 G&SC1 APPROX. 90 PERSONS TRAPPED @ SURROUNDED BY FIRE ... 405 MCKENZIE RD NEERIM EAST SVSE 6702 D5 (139005) F090203410 WARA [NSTH]
R09 - Neerim South
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just read that sa firey...read the page for SES not long after...talk about a sinkin feeling :-(
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I think this is all something we agree on for once, I feel the same SA Firey :-(
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If were asked to go i wonder what regions will be sending crews :?
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If were asked to go i wonder what regions will be sending crews :?
logical ones wuld be lower risk..don imagine they be draggin units away from the MLR...but thats what we donknow isn it strange things happen...i know my region R4 have sent appliances before to sydney and Vic
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CFA requesting Police due to looters in the area how filtered low is that :?
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21:21:32 07-02-09 HbEVENT 3362 - REPORTED 2ND HAND. MALE DRIVING CAR CALLED COMPLAINANT AND STATED HAD HIT TREE AND FIRE HEADING TWRDS HIM......SAID HIS GOODBYES ETC.......THIS IS A BEST ADDRESS AND IS POSSIBLY LOCATED NEAR PINE PLANTATION [MVLE]
SES - Marysville Rescue
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this whole thing is a joke...surely someone has to be thinkin planning ahead..Have CFS already been asked for help? are they waiting till dust settles from gawler river to page? who knows
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mac....make yourself a coffee and take a Bex mate
It's the worst thing in the world to standby and have to watch it happen when u know u can help, but the CFA is probably the most professional Fire Service going around, if they need us, then they will ask. I'm sure someone in the CFS is doing a Deployment Plan as we speak...just in case.
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doesn matter how professional u r if the shits hittin the fan numbers on ground is the key
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The other part about planning, is associated risk.. - Just because we aren't incurring a similar fate to our State, we have to realise that sending hundreds of resources out of our state, at a 'Peak Risk' time, is out of the question..
The CFA messages are fairly depressing, maybe a break from them for a little bit might help?
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VICTORIAN police have confirmed 14 people have died in the bushfires which ravaged the state today.
More to follow on this story.
*FROM ADELAIDE NOW WEBSITE*
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I heard the same thing mac listening on 3aw online stream and according to the police deputy commissioner the death toll could sky rocket to 40 or more but we wont know until tomorrow morning :cry:
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At the moment ít's listed as 33 going fires and 4 contained fires within Victoria!
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SA Firey any updates on the fires at this stage?
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the CFA website is giving good updates...lots of pics coming in on adelaide now.com
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SA Firey any updates on the fires at this stage?
Still multiple fires breaking out reports of people trapped in several houses and surounded by fire. North Warrandyte tanker located in a ditch with no crew, however crew were rescued by another pumper.
Paging system is 2 hours behind and crews are responding to incidents, and VICFIRE cancelling the response due to the lag in the paging.
Another fatality as a result of a collision at Kinglake, and a woman trapped at Camberville.
HbBURN-OFF NOTICE DO NOT RESPOND BURN-OFF AT CNR WHITTLESEA-KINGLAKE RD/DEVIATION RD KINGLAKE M 380 C8 (524456) BUS CRASH....POSSIBLE PERSONS TRAPPED....POSSIBLE 4 FATALITIES [ELTH]
SES - Eltham Rescue
00:05:29 08-02-09 @@ALERT F090204050 KING1 G&SC1 HOUSE SURROUNDED BY FIRE - 4 PEOPLE TRAPPED IN THE HOUSE 1051 GLENBURN RD KINGLAKE M 380 H7 (545461) KING KIWE [KIWE]
R13 - Kinglake West
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00:16:48 08-02-09 @@ALERT F090204235 KIWE3 G&SC1 PADDOCK FIREE PERSONS TRAPPED 2215 WHITTLESEA-YEA RD KINGLAKE WEST SVC 6365 E15 (440507) FLOW KING KIWE [KING]
R13 - Kinglake
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Not looking like easing up for a while, RFS are sending crews as we speak.
p.s. I have heard we are being requested.
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Not looking like easing up for a while, RFS are sending crews as we speak.
p.s. I have heard we are being requested.
About time
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I have not heard anymore about going over there yet.
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00:46:47 08-02-09 @@ALERT F090204258 BUXT3 G&SC1 GRASS FIRE AND PEOPLE TRAPPED CATHEDRAL LODGE - TAGGERTY 2738 MAROONDAH HWY TAGGERTY /MAROONDAH HWY SVC 6369 G3 (861627) ACHE BUXT MVIL NARB TAGG [MVIL]
R12 - Marysville
00:54:01 08-02-09 @@ALERT F090204265 HVIL5 G&SC1 HOUSE SURROUNDED BY FIRE ... 2 OLDER PERSONS AND 3 CHILDREN TRAPPED INSIDE HEATH RD CHUM CREEK SVC 6451 E12 (649389) KING STAN [STAN]
R13 - St Andrews
00:54:55 08-02-09 HbYAGL1 STRUC1 STRIKE TEAM 0802 - ASSET PROTECTION - GOTO CH29 - ASSEMBLE AT YARRA GLEN CFA RFB ANZAC AV YARRA GLEN /MELBA HWY //FARRELL AV M 274 K1 (565310) F090204255 DAND FTON HALL PATR SVAL
Casey Group
Aint getting any better :-(
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What I heard was a false alarm apparently. :roll:
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@@ALERT F090204344 TALU1 G&SC1 STEAM 2410 @ 0400 HOURS....RESPOND CODE 1 TO G&S FIRE...GO TO CH 102...BIOHS1 (BULIOH SLIP ON) - TVLYT1 (TALANGATTA VALLEY T) - TALGT1 (TALGARNO T) - MITTT1 (MITTA MITTA T) - GYRAT1 (GRANYA(Part 1 of 2) [TVLY]
Strike teams being formed up at 0400 hours.
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The NSW crews that went into Vic were local crews operating under a mutual support agreement. Albury to Beechworth is les than an hour's drive.
Beyond this, the decision to offer and accept assistance across state borders is a political call..... not one that Euan can make by himself. The pollies need to be available for the photo ops.
On a practical basis, factor in lead-times and the weather outlook.
Dog
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master of disaster....where did ya hear this??
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25 confirmed dead.
7 in Prince Albert Hospital is burns to in excess of 30% of the body.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/08/2485317.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/08/2485317.htm)
There are still too many people that make sheep look intelligent.
I'm thinking of a woman who had the Ash Wednesday fires burn around her home, and who had to help a close friend and neighbour who had been burnt out. When informed that there was a going fire, within a few kilometres and with potential to follow the same historical fire-path - she stated that she and her Parkinsons-Syndrome husband would wait until they had something to worry about before evacuating along their single-lane gravel access road.........
She was quickly told otherwise.
Dog.
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Yes it does amaze me about people's attitude to fire and how it will be all okay and lets leave it until the flames are at the gate (or throwing buckets off water wearing shorts only - and yes I do mean no shoes) BUT I have seen some footage and spoken to some people and the speed that this fire moved through was unbelievable. We were running small incident along the border when the Coleraine fire started up (we have the vic radio on and next to ours due to being right along the border) and hearing the first person on the scene as he was calling for trucks and issuing instructions you could tell it was moving fast and this was early in the day. There is nothing worse than being able to hear in someone's voice the stress (and I will state that this was coming over very calm and together) as he was having to wait for more units to arrive
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K Rudd being interviewed on ABC radio as we speak....offering state of emergency to victoria if they want it
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Offering a state of emergency to Victoria would mean they can ask for more mutual aid meaning the CFS get to aid the vics with this fire :-)
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they can ask for cfs anytime.....SOM means more like the army and airforce can come in for more manpower :wink:
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The news says crews from SA and NSW have been sent but I have seen no evidence of any SA deployment as yet. :|
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yea its only a matter of time id say....3 new fires in vic this morning worried about lightning strikes
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09:00:11 08-02-09 CFS: SIG INC: FYI: SELF HOSTED TELECONFERENCE AT 1030 HRS TODAY TO ISCUSS INTERSTATE FIRE ARRANGEMENTS - DSC EDEN. > 08/02/2009 8:59:54 AM
Things are starting to happen
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I was just listening to the scanner and gambier base is asking for some trucks after the radio sched to go into the base so their radios can be programmed incase asked to be sent over the border
So it looks like the wheels are beginning to spin into motion, if groups from Region 5 are asked to send volunteers i'll be placing my hand up to go over and help
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get the DOO warmed up robert job could be on :wink:
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No call has come on the pager just yet for people in the Wattle Range Group to call in putting their name down mac and i doubt that they will send DOO 34 interstate :roll:
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:roll: :roll: :roll:
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QDOUR FIRE STATION HAS BEEN BROKEN INTO AGAIN OVERNIGHT. COULD ALL MEMBERS PLEASE COME & CHECK NOTHING OF THEIR'S HAS BEEN STOLEN. I WILL BE HERE UNTIL MIDDAY TO TAKE ANY REPORTS. THANK YOU BELINDA. [HIGH]
R07 - Highton
filtered lowlifes what is wrong with people :evil:
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they can ask for cfs anytime.....SOM means more like the army and airforce can come in for more manpower :wink:
they can ask for Defence Force assistance at any time as well, no need to wait for a Declaration, depending on the extent of the request (a few people or a bit of equipment) the local militarty Commander can approve it, or for the big requests,( like 3 C5 Galaxies to transport a Strike Team to Vic in 2.5 hrs - :wink:) it goes to Chief of the Defence Force.
All a formal Federal Declaration does is activate Federal Government support agencies and allow people to access emergency assistance funds through CentreLink, as well as put in place the Federal Disaster Support Networks which includes the Insurance associations and a whole range of other "peripheral" organisation
Victoria (or any State for that matter) can acivate its own SOE, which will make available similar services (Recovery Centres, Support Services, Emergency Grants as well as a few extra powers to the Police I think in crowd control- that one might be state dependent)
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105,000+ Hectares overall
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Changes are starting
CFS: *CFSRES: HELITAK 733 REDEPLOY TO VICTORIA VIA MT GAMBIER AB -
SARC CANT. > 08/02/2009 10:07:52 AM
CFS R1 HQ Response
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1915793 10:31:35 08-02-09 TENTATIVE LIST FOR POSITION FOR IMT SECTOR COMMANDERS & EXPERIENCE AA & A FIRE FIGHTERS REQ FOR CAMPAIGN FIRE FOR VICT TEXT NICK NLD FDO 0437914414 IF AVAILABLE DEH Mt Lofty Ranges Group
It looks like they have asked DEH to send crews so CFS wont be far behind :wink:
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GGCC: CREWS REQUIRED FOR VIC FIRES, FLY OUT THIS AFTERNOON, 2 YEARS MIN EXPERIENCE. 5 DAY DEPLOYMENT PHONE
Off they go does any one know if they are seeking more or just gambier?
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11:02:47 08-02-09 CFSR5: To Pt Mac Grp - 4 vols reqd to go to Vic Fires. Deploy today,home thurs. Must have BFF1, 2yrs exp & burn over drill. 1 exp crew
leader (officer) as part of team. Contact Pt Mac GO -
CFS Port MacDonnell Group Info
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havent heard of other groups in region 5 being asked yet but i expect all will be shortly
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8 firefighters from PortMac and Gambier groups going - flying out early this arvo for 5 days. No further info on further deployments for down here
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update on deployment. recieved pager message that only 8 from Pt mac and Gambier going at this time.(region 5) dont know of others from other regions.
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pages starting to flow now
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They only sent the page out to Gambier and Port Mac groups why not any of the others :?
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maybe that imfamous black list coming in to play again heheh
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CFS: REQUIRED - MAX 4 F/FIGHTERS FOR INTERSTATE DEPLOYMENT - MUST ENSURE INTERSTATE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET. CONTACT GO THORLEY PH. 0417 821 655. > 08/02/2009 11:10:21 AM
CFS Swanport Group info
Thats region 3 is it not
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yeah
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i see they have put a VIC incident deployment log on criimson...they sure are keeping us all in suspence
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11:37:46 08-02-09 REQUIRE 4 PERSONS FOR POSSIBLE DEPLOYMENT VICTORIA THIS AFTERNOON RETURN THURSDAY MEN 2 YEARS EXPERIENCE LEVEL 1 OR HIGHER NO WORK
COVER ISSUES SKILLS MAINTENNANCE DRILL COMPLETED CFS Gumeracha Info
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seems weird way they pages are scattered over state so far..whether some are bit slower than othersgetting page out
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So which groups / brigades have requested crews?
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:roll:
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port mac....gambier...swanport and gumeracha so far...thats only going off pager website
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Also Lyndoch brigade which is Barossa grp
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this is ridiculous..watching news coverage every firey they talk to say there all stuffed and they warning that CFA crews may not be able to get in to some calls for help...i know we don know whats happening but its soo frustrating sitting here watching whwn we know we can help...looks like sturt group could have something happening
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looks like they're only sending a couple of crews from each region i thought they might want more than that how many did they send over for KI?
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WHO KNOWS!!!
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sa firey your call has come
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its all pollotics i suppose. but cfa have to make a request for more crews if they want them. we will see. goodluck and stay safe to whoever goes across.
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i guess CFS cant send to many..because the "big one" could happen here cos the land is tinder dry and fuel loads are at an all time high...but wait we cant send to many because helitak 733 has gone hence it wont be able to save the world if one does get goin hehe... GOOD LUCK guys n girls heading over :-)
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SACFS is deploying 60 firefighters to vic for now more may be needed :wink:
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ahhh good work master of disaster thats all everyone is looking for :)
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105,000+ Hectares overall
Bigger than that, old son.
The Kilmore - Saunders Rd fire alone is more than that.
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Thats what i kinda gathered too Mac maybe they are only sending 4 from each region so theres no shortage in day time crew incase something happens cause we havent got Helitak 733 at the moment :wink:
because the "big one" could happen here cos the land is tinder dry and fuel loads are at an all time high
I think we have already passed the danger period of when the big one was meant to happen Mac cause i doubt we'll see another monster heatwave like last week :-)
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I agree however we do start to heat up again on saturday with 37 forecast so my thinking would be to send as many as we can for this week before we heat up again and cant send any, NSW has problems of there own at the moment so not sure if they are sending any?? any one know?
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Hey robert we had a heat wave in march last year so you never know my friend :|
NSW have sent some crews numbers unknown to me at this stage.
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Hey robert we had a heat wave in march last year so you never know my friend :|
True MOD but did we have a stinking hot heatwave in January last year :wink:
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all over 4 today re deployments id say guys...c what 2 mora brings
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I agree however we do start to heat up again on saturday with 37 forecast so my thinking would be to send as many as we can for this week before we heat up again and cant send any, NSW has problems of there own at the moment so not sure if they are sending any?? any one know?
i did hear there are several nsw striketeams going if not already there. hope they havent left themselves short.
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Who knows what the weather gods will bring in the next month or so :?
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Just spoke to my duty officer advised that if required there will be a second deployment wednesday from other groups
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I have just recieved the nod to say I'm going. No trucks, just crews flying over tonight.
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Goodluck, stay safe mate!
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anyone have any actual information as to why its just 60 FF only and no trucks? is it because of the shithouse conditions coming later in week or is that all we was asked for??
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I have just recieved the nod to say I'm going. No trucks, just crews flying over tonight.
cya there Darcy....u bring the bat, I'll bring the ball :wink:
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ANY MEMBERS AVAILABLE FOR 5 DAY STRIKE TEAM PHONE 85412909 OR CALL INTO WAIKERIE STATION SIGNED G WARD. CFS Waikerie Info
i may have been wrong about being over for today..maybe a second strike team??
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Teams from the Southern Region of NSW are staging in Albury now. Others have already gone.
Last heard, they were slated for property protection in areas threatened by the Beechworth fire.
Dog.
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I have just recieved the nod to say I'm going. No trucks, just crews flying over tonight.
cya there Darcy....u bring the bat, I'll bring the ball :wink:
Lets just hope their is not too much of the "hurry up and wait" :wink:
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The request has come from Victoria for 50 to be flown over to Victoria this afternoon. (Very short notice)
The Victorian Government is footing the bill for a chartered flight.
As frustrating as it is to see everything unfold, we have to wait to be asked to send resources...
It may be that further resources are requested - and some planning may be occurring regarding that (but not appearing on the pager sites!)....
I'm sure that if / when Victoria ask for more resources, then CFS will do what they can to assist, and given the time to make the necessary logistical arrangements (as well as crews being able to arrange time off work etc etc)
However, we can only hope that the weather conditions moderate significantly, and we aren't required for that reason.
Pip
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yea thats all tru pip....doesn help when there is a firebug runnin round over there re lighting the fires... :|
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sa firey your call has come
The winning number has been drawn,maybe next time.
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CFS: SIG INC: FYI: CFA HAVE ACCEPTED OFFER OF ASSISTANCE - FORMAL NOTIFICATION TO COME - ETD FROM ADELAIDE TO BE ADVISED LATER - DSC EDEN > 08/02/2009 15:05:36 PM
CFS R1 HQ INFO
any one shed some light?
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It means the offer has been accepted and the formalties are still being settled :evil:
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Yeah figured that one lol i mean is it for the 60 going over now or for more??
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This is from ABC news:-Country Fire Service, Metropolitan Fire Service and specialist forest firefighters from South Australia are expected to fly out this afternoon.
The Ericson air crane will also be deployed to western Victoria today.
Number about 70
Best of luck to all
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not going this time around, was close,
but i was surprised my boss was all ok with being away for 5 days tho! so in all this has become somewhat of a understanding :D
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I have just recieved the nod to say I'm going. No trucks, just crews flying over tonight.
cya there Darcy....u bring the bat, I'll bring the ball :wink:
Lets just hope their is not too much of the "hurry up and wait" :wink:
hmm....1535 and still no advice on when we're leaving.....if i was very very cynical, I wouldnt mind betting it is around 1830, so that the nightly news get some footage of FF Rann et al farewelling the troops. Keep an eye out for Darcy and me...we'll be playing cricket in the departure lounge and trying to avoid the assembled hangers on :evil:
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:-D lol stay safe (thought you guys had already gone!)
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Hey does anyone knoe if there is an online paging site for NSW?
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i know of one, ages ago, ill look for it
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:-D lol stay safe (thought you guys had already gone!)
bah Chook,.....u know the first rule of interstate Strike Teams....The urgency to get organised is inversely proportional to the likelihood of leaving when ready
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:-D Yeah I know! Sounds like the Beechworth area is getting bad ( heavy country there too - had some personal experiences fighting fires around there) anyway hopefully you will get going soon mate.
cheers
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CFS: SIG INC: FYI: CREWS DEPART QANTAS QF696 DEPART 1925 HRS - DSC EDEN > 08/02/2009 16:11:42 PM
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UPDATE:49 DEAD :-(
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CFS: SIG INC: FYI: CREWS DEPART QANTAS QF696 DEPART 1925 HRS - DSC EDEN
just on the pager site.......jobs on!!
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So Sad :-(
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Its just so frustrating sitting here and watching all this happen :cry:
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50 deaths confirmed now
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640 houses
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Only a matter of time before this happens in South Australia :x
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So true MOD :| but when is the question thats playing on everyones mind at the moment
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65 confirmed dead :cry:
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Does anyone know any of the FDI in Vic yesterday?
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It was reported that some FDI's hit 300
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i am watching channel 9 news coverage of the fires.. it brings this whole thing back home and i sit and ask..why are we only sending 50 FF..reporters are saying there is still houses going up in smoke...why are we not helping out? why are CFS holding us back?
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Fsck you euan ferguson theres not gonna be any real danger to this state till atleast saturday send some more help
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Keep your cool Sternzee :lol:
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sternzee...u captured everything i wanted to say...Come on EUAN!!!
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lol :-D yeah well i stand by my statement that we could afford to send some more i wont be able to help out unless they send people tomorrow as im busy from friday for a week so im not hungry for action but they need some help
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yup a large number of people would totally agree!
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Real Mature Ladies... The CFA requested and they will soon Recieve. No point sitting on a forum whinging because you didnt get selected to go. Get over it!
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I will gladly go once the 1st team arrives home Thursday although it means having to miss work and reschedule an appointment to another day :wink:
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seagrave its about sending a minimal amount and yes if thats all CFA asked for fair enuff but id hardly think so..not with Euan all over the tv saying SA is still in danger of a major blaze...anyway isn a forum a place to express ur point of view????
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guy's ease off on the negative comments....we need to abide by Chain of command...
we can only wish further consideration can occur to support our interstate counterparts much more.
sending a small fraction from a few brigades, will not affect our operational capability.
Sending the sky crane, will not affect our operational capability.
Sending 20 trucks, will not affect our operational capability.
god, im sounding like kevin rudd...using punch lines...
CFS is Ready as it is ever. We are willing to throw everything at it on our home turf... It is capable of supporting Victoria much more.
Does CFS want firefighters to be ready for "THIS" to happen in SA...Let them gain experience in victoria to make them ready.
Otherwise, CFS will overall have less and less experience.
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zippy yes exactly my thinkin..if twenty trucks across 5 regions is going to save SA than were stuffed anyway..
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Does CFS want firefighters to be ready for "THIS" to happen in SA...Let them gain experience in victoria to make them ready
I could do with some experience as i've never been on a interstate deployment before :wink:
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Good to see no Death's of any firefighters, lots of close calls few burns.
Looks like burn over training has worked well !
Keep safe
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As Seagrave said & the Victorians would have decided approx how many, with NSW, Tas & SA plus army - they would consider they have enough for now.
And before everyone jumps all over me I have family in Dederang & one of my daughters & her boy friend drove back to their base from here they are both based near Hastings so it was a nervous day waiting for their call to say they made it.
So chill guys, if you are needed & can be spared I'm sure you will get your turn,
there is still Victorian teams waiting for deployment.
cheers
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Sternzee and Mac13, you guys need to be slapped, find something else to do with your time :x
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Darren..what is wrong with being keen to get over there and lend a hand
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There is nothing wrong however consider this:-
20:25:54 08-02-09 QDPLS BE AWARE: A NUMBER OF A.C MEMBERS HAVE LOST THEIR HOMES AND MANY OF W.SEA & A.C MEMBERS HAVE LOST FRIENDS & NEIGHBOUGHS PLS PROVIDE ANY MORAL SUPPORT POSSIBLE - G.0. [PLEN]
R14 - Plenty
now think about what is happening now (working out where to send what etc).
Like all state governments they like the idea of handling things themselves (initially they didn't even want army help).
So heaps of interstate fire fighters turn up, unfamiliar with the turf, lay of the land, sitting around staging areas, talking to the media (whinging about not being utilised etc etc) - not real good for the local blokes is it?
Great to be keen but the areas they are in are very tough & have cost lives & equipment in the past(remember the guys that got burnt a couple of years ago?I think they were kiwi's). So as I said if you are needed I'm sure they will call.
And yes it is frustrating.
cheers
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no different than CFA/ DSE/ RFS coming in to KI last year...anywho theres more strike team leaving later in week
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75 confirmed Fatalities..
Horrible, horrible day, and only more to come.
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check out the 9 msn home page the picture of the child says it all
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Darren im not winging about being deployed i will not get the opportunity due to work i am a little frustrated at the seemingly lack of support that the CFS has sent in comparison to the devastation that has been inflicted by these fires.
Granted i do not have all the facts and if some one is able to give me these i will be more than happy to change my stance.
I am not all seeing it is just my opinion, as for mac wanting to get over there and help its pretty natural for any emergency staff volunteer or paid to want to help out their brothers in arms in there time of need, even if its just to push logs over to free up the locals to hit the fronts, every one has there opinions just dont poke holes in people who are keen to help or next time those people may not be around when they are needed.
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Death toll now 84 and 750 homes lost, My brothers business which is in the Yarra valley is now in direct line with the fire which is 5kms away...One can only hope all the things I taught him work but at the end of the day with the wind in that region better to get out....
A very sad time for all and with some of us who have family and friends in those regions we can only hope and pray that they make it, If you have not been to the region of kinglake,maryville its all timber country and what has been seen on TV is shocking and has brought tears to my eyes today....scheiße i need a drink or two...
stay safe guys and girls....
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just on channel 9 a cfa volunteers wife and children dead while he was out fighting the fires so sad my hearts go out to all those affected.
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Last night i sat my bum down at this computer, I did not know I was about to see Victoria go down in the history books.
I look at the CFA paging site and see pages reading "People trapped house surrounded by fire" It sent chills down my spine, but little did I know the same time tommorrow night the news headlines would read "84 PEOPLE DEAD" I'm shocked to say the least.
It all becomes real when a mate rings you for a shoulder to cry on he said to me "Mate I have just found my mum"
R.I.P Annie
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just on channel 9 a cfa volunteers wife and children dead while he was out fighting the fires so sad my hearts go out to all those affected.
is that meant to read as
Just on channel 9, a cfa volunteers wife and children dead while he was out fighting the fires so sad my hearts go out to all those affected.
i scanned it and read 9 cfa volunteers dead
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just on channel 9 a cfa volunteers wife and children dead while he was out fighting the fires so sad my hearts go out to all those affected.
Jesus christ thats horrible!
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just on channel 9 a cfa volunteers wife and children dead while he was out fighting the fires so sad my hearts go out to all those affected.
is that meant to read as
Just on channel 9, a cfa volunteers wife and children dead while he was out fighting the fires so sad my hearts go out to all those affected.
i scanned it and read 9 cfa volunteers dead
yes you are right i am hopeless with grammer
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ok yeah that is horrible, i was trying to convince my family to heaf to the flatland's just so i knew that wouldn;t happen.
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Vic is getting hit with lightning strikes as we speak :-o
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Those of you who are jumping up & down, and bagging the CFS heirachy for not sending you, have you thought that perhaps CFS has offered far more assistance to Victoria than what has currently been sent, but as yet, Victoria has not taken up the offer from SA?
CFS cannot just decide to send a heap of resources, chuck the firefighters on a plane to Melbourne, and on arrival ring CFA HQ and say "We're here, where do you want us?"
Have you considered the logistics of moving a strike team around, either with its own appliances, or just as crews?
From the form displayed on this site, it would appear many people here would be the first to whinge and complain if you got to Victoria, and didn't get fed, didn't have accommodation, ended up sleeping on the appliances for three days etc etc, but jump about and down because you haven't been sent right now....!
And many of you seem to be basing all your information solely on what appears on pager messages.... without knowing anything about what is actually happening either in Victoria or behind the scene in CFS....
Yes it is frustrating to see things on the TV news, and not be able to help...but do not bag CFS for you not being in Victoria right now.
And be careful what you wish for. I doubt anyone would be happy combing burnt out houses, or indeed whole towns, searching for what is left of the occupants.
Pip
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Breathe in slowly .....exhale slowly......breathe in slowly .....exhale slowly.
Sure you may feel a sense of helplessness at all this destruction and apparentley not enough being done about it, BUT calmer, more informed (not being media hyped) heads are making concious decisions as to how best utilise ALL resources.
"Keep safe to ALL our brothers"
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Another thing to remember is it is very bad (psychologically) for the locals to have "outsiders" coming in to save the day.
I know it feels like the right thing to do, but if you want to wreck the morale of the emergency services in Victoria, go "riding in on your white tankers to save the day". They have been badly hit this time & they need proper support & understanding over the next months - and as I said before your turn will come!
cheers
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Had a friend call last night needed to cry as she lost a good friend who was killed in his car but his house was untounched, I have also had CFA mates who have called wanting to talk and they have all just wanted to tell their story and have someone to listen...I do know that CFS did offer more but at this time CFA only wanted mann power so as local crews could have a rest,if they wanted more they would get it.
As I type this there is a fire less than 30kms away that is now listed as large and going and i guess if the wind keeps up CFS will / may be called into this...
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Thanks Pip!! You put it well, I had typed up something several times to go on there and just ended up as more of a rant so deleted it!! 108 dead is the toll this morning - managed to track all of our lot down and they're okay - they have no idea of their properties at the moment but will find out later on today.
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Any ideas of when they will be asking for a second contingent to go to Victoria this week and how many are going to be required :?
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Be patient..... when they want us they will call....
Until then, follows jaff's instructions carefully - deep breaths
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I read somewhere in the paper that NSWRFS have sent another 20 trucks. That would bring the total from them to 70?
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I believe ACT has also sent crews.
Listening to various news reports today, it would appear that fires are expected to continue to burn for the next few weeks.
I'd suggest all state's fire services will assist with resources over the coming weeks.
Pip
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I dare say all the proceeds from ticket sales to Spirit Of The Bush concerts being held this month will go towards aiding the rebuilding of towns in Victoria :-)
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1909225 13:52:13 09-02-09 CFS: SIG INC: FYI: SELF HOSTED TELECONFERENCE TODAY AT 1500 HRS RE VIC FIRE DEPLOYMENT. > 09/02/2009 13:52:00 PM
:-o Looks like another deployment is on the cards everyone stay glued to the screen or have your pager close to you
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Soon
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Official toll now 126 [as at 1442]... terrible loss of life. It's incredible to see towns literally wiped out.
All the best to CFA & all fire services assisting, wish i could have headed over to help in whatever way possible.
Edit: Also may i add, for those concerned that CFS are not sending anything and everything. We can only offer our assistance, not self-deploy. The Victorian authorities have to accept. I'm sure if they require further assistance it will go, as it always does.
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1909093 14:49:00 09-02-09 R2HQ:CFS HAS SENT A DEPLOYMENT TO THE VIC FIRES.THE POTENTIAL FOR FURTHER DEPLOYMENTS ARE UNKNOWN AT THIS STAGE.YOUR GROUP OFFICER WILL BE ADVISED IF WE REQUIRE FURTHER CREWS. PLEASE DO NOT RING THE REGION DIRECT 9/2/2009 14:48:37 CFS R2 Info Maildrop
hmmmm :|
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1909093 14:49:00 09-02-09 R2HQ:CFS HAS SENT A DEPLOYMENT TO THE VIC FIRES.THE POTENTIAL FOR FURTHER DEPLOYMENTS ARE UNKNOWN AT THIS STAGE.YOUR GROUP OFFICER WILL BE ADVISED IF WE REQUIRE FURTHER CREWS. PLEASE DO NOT RING THE REGION DIRECT 9/2/2009 14:48:37 CFS R2 Info Maildrop
hmmmm :|
Patience grasshopper, if you snatch at the pebble it will always elude you! :-)
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Ahh Cockroach your infinite wisdom inspires me. :-D
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Does anyone have any news on the fire near Frances?
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Does anyone have any news on the fire near Frances?
See here http://www.safirefighter.com/boards/index.php/topic,2164.msg47773.html#new
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Just calling the next lot for deployment on Wednesday for 5 days (4 from Wattle Range)
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I rang straight after getting the message and got told there were more than enough and have been placed on a waiting list :-(
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yeah, thats the way it is robert...oh well..just live life as normal dude.
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anyone with any actual information on next deployment or is it secret squirrel???
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Im sure you will find out when the time comes..
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A few from each group across the state so as not to leave us exposed. leave wednesday for 5 days
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yeah i can see how we're getting exposed...30 members -1 = 29 ahwell...work was pain today, particularly when ya workmates know your in the CFS. "Why arent you over in victoria".... Only so many times a Pre-recorded reason becomes annoying...
I turned off the TV this evening just in time to miss out on Michael Wrights Media Spin...
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firey 666 are u saying couple from every group...so deployment around 100 or more??
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100+ wont happen.... Cant believe the media atm.... being typical...
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so if ur right zippy i will ask again..anyone with any ACTUAL information?
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It is concerning that there are individuals champing at the bit to go. If you are wanted you will be invited. Captains and group officers tend to overlook those who are just a bit too keen.
I applaud genuine desire to help, just keep it at that and don't over do it.
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what parts of the media zip???
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COMMUNITIES southeast of Beechworth are bracing for ember attack as an out of control bushfire rages towards them.
Thousands of hectares of pine plantations and pockets of homes are under threat after a new fire spotted beyond the main Victoria fires.
Residents in the Shelley, Koetong and Darbyshire areas have been advised to activate their bushfire plans.
Some 200 firefighters are on the fireground tonight, building containment lines and protecting homes.
It is believed the fires may have interfered with a major interstate power line but fire authorities won't know until a further assessment is undertaken.
The fire, which started late on Saturday, has scorched 30,000 hectares and is moving in a northeasterly direction.
Department of Sustainability and Environment (DSE) spokesman Darren Skelton said firefighters were working in difficult to access terrain.
Pockets of homes and large swathes of pine plantations were causing the most concern, he said.
"The potentials are there," he said.
"These residents, if they've decided to stay and defend their properties, will be out there most of the evening protecting their homes from possible ember attack and spot overs, absolutely. So it will be a long and anxious night."
The area had been under threat all day, but the situation escalated as spot fires ran ahead of the main blaze early Monday evening, threatening the Dederang, Gundowring, Gundowring Upper, Glen Creek, Kergunyah South, Mudgeegonga and Running Creek communities.
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COMMUNITIES southeast of Beechworth are bracing for ember attack as an out of control bushfire rages towards them.
Residents in the Shelley, Koetong............
A mate has a block near Koetong.
Not far over the river.
I hunt there.
Do you want to tell me about impatience?
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its hard to sit and watch the news and they report every available resource is rolling out of NSW to lend a hand.....
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its hard to sit and watch the news and they report every available resource is rolling out of NSW to lend a hand.....
C'mon you're exaggerating a bit, actually you're exaggerating a lot!
NSW has sent approx 60 appliances and 300 firefighters.
Now when you consider the NSWFB and NSWRFS have a combined 2800 appliances amd 77,000 firefighters I'll actually say that there could be a significant increase in the resources that NSW could spare, and which VIC would use in preferance to certain CFS members. :roll:
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I was at the Bangham fire(Frances) which was contained at 2130hrs last night after great work by ground crews and the 4 bombers that worked this fire they did 30+ drops. 11 Appliances where still on scene as my brigade appliances headed home after some damage and we are now running with the region 5/24...No I was not driving....
While on the fire ground Naracoorte and Wattle Range groups where asked to provide 10 members to fly out to Victoria on Wednesday for 5 days, I was asked to go but said No at this stage as I am a little busy this week with work. I do know that CFS crews that went have had to do a induction and training on the CFA truck that they where given before going out onto the fireground and the SE guys are working at the Churchhill fire..
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Just had a call from a CFA mate CFA are in need for a 40 strike teams to go to Beechworth URGENT......Yes 40 x strike teams with 5 appliances and command cars....
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And some of those NSW crews are from the northern side of the Murray - one could say they have a vested interest in stopping the NE fires before they cross the water (remember its not that wide up here). The country is also the same in south eastern NSW (& for that matter right a long the NSW coast).
I keep saying this but here it is again - just stay cool & wait! If you think it's hard sitting there & waiting, try being here! There is smoke everywhere & it's only 200 k's away with warmer windier weather latter in the week & we have already had fires last week & on the weekend. So just chill!!!
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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25033672-5018723,00.html
60 TAS F&RS and 30 "DEH-similar" are being deployed from tasmainia. Similar first deployment to SA.
"This morning they converged at Port Melbourne docks to welcome the arrival of their 29 fire trucks about 7am. "
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My assumption would be that a lot of the NSW crews would be up near their border the same as we go just across out border.
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now that ive had my rant and let my frustration lets get bak on topic which is VIC fires
Bill thats a lot of strike teams?? things gone to scheiße there have they? info on the actual fires is getting haredr to get as all nes is about the recovery
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1909225 13:52:13 09-02-09 CFS: SIG INC: FYI: SELF HOSTED TELECONFERENCE TODAY AT 1500 HRS RE VIC FIRE DEPLOYMENT. > 09/02/2009 13:52:00 PM
:-o Looks like another deployment is on the cards everyone stay glued to the screen or have your pager close to you
relax a bit and don't jump to conclusions. I'm told this teleconference will be occuring regularly every day.
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And some of those NSW crews are from the northern side of the Murray - one could say they have a vested interest in stopping the NE fires before they cross the water (remember its not that wide up here). The country is also the same in south eastern NSW (& for that matter right a long the NSW coast).
The way some of you a writing your posts, I'm sought of wondering what the primary motivation actually is!
I keep saying this but here it is again - just stay cool & wait! If you think it's hard sitting there & waiting, try being here! There is smoke everywhere & it's only 200 k's away with warmer windier weather latter in the week & we have already had fires last week & on the weekend. So just chill!!!
BAD CALL CHOOK! :x
DONT question peoples "primary motivation" its not your services core business, so you dont at this stage get it!
The people that are very keen to help out are just that, very keen nothing weird, we all feel a sense of helplessness seeing reports every day and having friends and other firies over there, so dont BAG EM, try to understand!
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OK Jaff - I apologise to all. Won't happen again !
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OK Jaff - I apologise to all. Won't happen again !
I'm glad you've finally pulled you head in Chook. You should know full well that the Fire Services core business is complaining, moaning and whining about anything and everything. Not getting to go to Mexico is seamlessly incorporated into that. How dare you think anything else ;)
Now, on a more serious note, there is a large part of me that wonders what would have happened to the death toll had people heeded the basic bushfire safety messages that the Fire Services have been pushing for years. With the number of people yet again dead in cars, and around their properties with inappropriate clothing, I can't help but wonder, "What if". From the aerial footage of some of the impacted townships, yet again we see many properties that don't look like they were bushfire ready, or had had much preventative work done around them at all. There is something to be said for being responsible for your own well being and survival, especially when you live in a very bushfire prone area like most of those people do. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to take anything away from the horrific disaster that has occurred and the significant loss of life, but in all honesty what will it take for people to take notice?
I'm very interested in what the announced Royal Commission into the disaster will find, especially in relation to the "Stay and defend or go early" campaign. I can't help but suggest that if your bushfire action plan is, as many people have said in their media interviews "Stay and try to defend my house, but if its too big, get in the car and go" you are looking for trouble in a bushfire situation. I understand that the conditions were extreme, and that the rate of spread of the fire was just phenomenal, and that, yes, some people who died could well have had the most prepared house in the world and still perished, but on the whole, it just looks like people failed to listen.
If you live in a Bushfire prone area of Australia (eg: Anywhere that isn't in a capital city or desert) how hard is it, at the very least, to prepare your house to the best of your abilities, and if you don't want to clear the land around it, be prepared to leave early and know that chances are you will lose your house, make your home defendable (get the local firies out to give it the once over and see what they suggest) and if you're going to defend your home, get a decent set of overalls to wear, gloves etc etc.
Did anyone see the couple on the news last night that had the property at the top of a hill? Large cleared area, fire hoses and proper civilian PPE? Surprise, surprise, they got out with the hoses, knocked down the fire and their home is a-ok.
I'm sorry, I just need to vent. I feel like so much of the loss of life in situations like this can be prevented if people listen and use common sense. It angers me to see people dying, as they always do, unprepared, ill-equipped, and doing things that fly in the face of what Fire Services have been trying to hammer home.
When will people listen and learn?
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Numbers DITTO!
CFA paid mate rang and was just amazed at the amount of cars with casualties they encountered, why didnt they just heed the advice, its nothing new!
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mate in whittlesea CFA said they have a civilian camp on its oval...just imagine having a whole town move into another...its just numbing...
I can only imagine the Saturday night would have been the hardest ever time for that brigade....
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From the aerial footage of some of the impacted townships, yet again we see many properties that don't look like they were bushfire ready, or had had much preventative work done around them at all.
I also notice a lot of burnt houses that have unburnt shrubs in the garden next to the house. I wonder if someone had been home, if the house would have survived...
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Did anyone see the couple on the news last night that had the property at the top of a hill? Large cleared area, fire hoses and proper civilian PPE? Surprise, surprise, they got out with the hoses, knocked down the fire and their home is a-ok.
This couple is a perfect example of what being fully equipped and ready to stay & defend is about and yet the message doesnt seem to get out regardless of how many tv ads the fire services place on tv :-(
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The information needs to be given to new residents upon moving into the area.
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hopefully this will serve as a reminder for SA residents and they will get off their donkey and fill out there bushfire action plan and tidy up thee back yards..and maybe just maybe mite help with some new recruits 4 CFS...
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Insurance companies should be pushing for bushfire awareness. Making it mandatory for there clients to sign a declaration that they have a plan or have read the material.
If not...no insurance for "Exposure fires"
"Make your home defendable...or else".
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If you are interested, below are things that are happening in my local community:
* Most importantly for me, I am telling the people I love that 'I love them'.
* my workplace EDS Australia at North Tce have organised a morning tea on Friday. Gold coin donation to the Vic Fire appeal.
* businesses in the area are donating goods to be raffled at the morning tea and the raffle could include other work locations at Lockleys, Glenside, Elizabeth, etc. The organisers are just walking in the door of companies with a request letter on company letterhead, and business owners are donating goods off their shelves.
* I have printed the Bushfire Action Plan and 20 page CFS Bushfire brochure from the CFS website. Left a copy in each lunchroom & tea room within the workplace.
* The redcross blood bank telephone line is constantly engaged. But when things calm down next week, I will make my next scheduled donation. My thoughts are with the burn & injured victims that will need bood transfusions.
* I am exercising to get fitter & checking my equipment for when something bad happens here. Then I am capable of assisting if requested.
* I am talking to anyone so that feelings can be expressed & discussed. I am not an expert, but people are asking questions. Let people talk & learn more.
So why not organise a community fund-raiser for your local community & place the bushfire plans out in the community. People might want to volunteer or get the information to minimise it happening here.
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Or maybe we could push for the SA Government to establish community fire units in every fire prone town and suburb around South Australia so residents can be trained by the CFS of what to do in the event of a fire :wink:
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Or maybe we could push for the SA Government to establish community fire units in every fire prone town and suburb around South Australia so residents can be trained by the CFS of what to do in the event of a fire :wink:
Or they could join the CFS......
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Yeah but some of the most bush fire hazardous areas have no room for new CFS members.
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http://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/incidents/images/news_image/20090210_0600hrs_beechworth_murmungee_media_21263.jpg
The Beechworth Fire 55 Appliances
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No need for community fire unit's if people want to do something filtered join the local brigade and get on an appliance..... Some of those who have been killed in the fire's have lived in the area for all of their life's most had done the right thing had all the equipment but up she went.
The area around kinglake is all timber country very step and trees right up to your back door,people who lived there did so because they wanted to be close to nature but also because of its closeness to Melbourne. With the strong winds that they had with the wind change there was nothing anyone could have done.
I am sure that we will see a paper come out from AFAC and I am sure that there will be many changes with how homes are built so close to nature and what material should be used.
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Watch the 7:30 report on ABC, interesting stuff about the future of wild fire fighting.
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Now you tell me chook.....
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sorry Bill thought you were half an hour behind. Nothing amazing just the new stuff that RFS has, true value of Elvis and its mates, should you stay should you go etc.
I found it interesting considering when we were fighting Ash Wednesday fires it was old tankers, rack hoes & Rega's (and olive drab dozers as well).
An interesting comment about how much as been learnt since 1939, and how much hasn't.
Anyway I'm sure you can see it on the Web.
cheers
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Now you tell me chook.....
Dont worry Bill others have......and it confirmed what us ground crews have known all along...aerial firefighting has little or no effect :wink:
To quote Phil Cheney, and in his words they are nothing more than to give a visual impression something is being done.
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i haven't seen it but i assume that your quote of
"Dont worry Bill others have......and it confirmed what us ground crews have known all along...aerial firefighting has little or no effect wink"
is to be taken in the context of very large fires?
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Mt Gellibrand Observations Saturday February 7, 2009
time wind dir wind spd gust tmp dew pt rh fire
Sat 14:00 EDT NNW 91 113 44.2 2.6 8 350 Ext
Sat 14:30 EDT NW 91 106 43.6 2.1 8 343 Ext
Sat 14:36 EDT NNW 87 106 45.3 3.4 8 333 Ext
Sat 15:00 EDT NW 89 113 42.1 1.1 8 312 Ext
Sat 13:30 EDT NNW 83 104 43.8 4 9 280 Ext
Sat 13:00 EDT NNW 83 102 42.4 2.9 9 267 Ext
Sat 12:30 EDT N 83 96 41.5 2.3 9 259 Ext
Sat 12:00 EDT N 85 107 40.3 2.8 10 251 Ext
Sat 12:39 EDT N 80 98 42.4 2.9 9 245 Ext
Sat 11:30 EDT N 85 100 38.5 4.1 12 221 Ext
Sat 11:00 EDT N 87 104 37.7 4.6 13 217 Ext
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CFA Chief Officers Briefing to the SECC (State Co-ordination centre) BEFORE the Fires.
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=912602EB9936A98B
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We can only hope that the change in weather that is now over Victoria is now in some why helping those on the fireground it loos as if they will have sometime till it heats back up and before the return of the north winds...
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UPDATE: FEARS are growing that as many as 100 bodies are to be recovered from one tiny town obliterated by the Victorian bushfires.
Firefighters working at the scene of the Marysville fires believe that one in five of the village's 519 residents have perished, but authorities will not yet comment on this claim.
At leat 80 people remain missing in the bushfire battleground, where 181 deaths have already been confirmed.
:oops:
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I found this an interesting article.
Victoria's bushfire tragedy and the lessons we didn't learn (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25037765-5006301,00.html)
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Excellent article - thanks
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good read
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If anyone is interested a great book to read about the history of the relationship between fuel reduction and bushfires, is "The still-burning bush" by Stephen Pyne. Its a rather academic book but the historical insight is brilliant!
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Media release from www.ses.sa.gov.au
SA SES deploying staff to assist VIC SES
10 February 2009
The South Australian State Emergency Service (SES) is offering support to their Victorian counterparts as they work towards defending and rebuilding their state. Two specialist incident managers travelled to Melbourne overnight to relieve and support exhausted SES crews in Victoria.
SES Chief Officer Stuart Macleod says the SES often plays a key role in supporting other emergency service organisations, and there is a firm agreement in place between the SES in all states and territories that they assist and support each other in times of need.
“SES volunteers in Victoria have been assisting the Victorian fire agencies in staging areas across state, providing staging area managers, crew and lighting towers.
“As well as assisting in the fire operations, taskforces have been deployed to assist with loss and damage assessment, traffic management points and clearing trees from roadways.
“Volunteers have also assisted in relocations and have been supporting with the coordination of immediate relief arrangements as well as with community warnings and information, food delivery and fire support.
“The SES organisations throughout the country have a long history of helping each other. In 2007 the SA SES sent 140 staff and volunteers to assist with storms that ravaged NSW and have also sent support personal as part of SA Country Fire Service deployments to bushfires.
“The SA SES personnel will be based at the Victorian multi-agency centre in Melbourne where they will work with other emergency service personnel in an integrated emergency management centre.
“This deployment demonstrates how highly regarded SA SES volunteers and staff are within the SES family across Australia.
"The SES is one big family and we work together. If South Australia was faced with such a disaster I know our interstate colleagues would be right here with us, helping us protect and defend what is important to us."
[Ends]
For SES response in storms or floods telephone 132 500. If the matter is life threatening telephone 000
For further information on the services provided by the SES go to www.ses.sa.gov.au
For media enquiries telephone the SES Media Line on (08) 8211 6176
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So Andrew has a operational deployment of SES crew occured yet? If so, how many have gone over and what are the requirements of these crews in terms of skills, experience etc?
Cheers
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looks like the weather theyw as keepin us home for is on its way next wednesday...
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RFS crews from just nth of the Murray, and who have been working rotational shifts at Beechworth due to their proximity to home, have been told that no further shifts will be required after Wednesday night.
For the moment.......
Chook.
For farmers thare has always been a small element of "you come to my fires, and I'll go to yours". It's a part of doing business in a small rural community. Of course, most of the people at risk are your extended family, neighbours, business connections, sporting connections, hunting mates...... That's part of living in a small rural community.
The typical response to "Thanks for coming" is "Well you'd do the same for me."
Dog.
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So what are some things that your brigade or group or community is doing to help those in Victoria apart from sending crew's?? My wife and her girlfriend have a appeal going on here in Naracoorte they are working out of the Naracoorte show ground and are taking donations of goods like clothing,beding,food,ETC they have had lots of air play over the radio and they have been able to secure a truck company that is willing to take all that they have over to Melbourne. Once In Melbourne it will be collected by another truck company and taken to a the head office of ST VINCENT DEPAUL who will hand out all that they get.... the good have all started rolling in which is great. Local farmers in the area are also sending over feed for stock.....Its great to see when the chips are down that people in other state's are more than willing to help....
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two B train loads of hay left yesterday for bendigo from around the area :-)
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About 10 semis of hay and fencing equipment left from Penola
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Love some of the comments in the Advertiser this morning:
"I wish the Australian government would spend some real money on firefighting aircraft then these fires wouldn't happen"
"If they got some of those super scoopers they would have made all the differnece"
*Shakes head*
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We would be Deeper in Drought, thanks to non-useful use of water...
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Euan should get on front foot and come out n say no amount of resources could stop that. simple fact people need to know and be clear in the bushfire action plan. dont expect a CFS truck to come up the driveway to defend ur property
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he has, time and time again. it takes tragedy close to someone for people to wake up unfortunately.
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So Andrew has a operational deployment of SES crew occured yet? If so, how many have gone over and what are the requirements of these crews in terms of skills, experience etc?
Cheers
Unknown by myself. I am only a basic SES volunteer. Only information I have is the press release posted previously.
I can make some assumptions (search, shoring, securing building materials, staging camp support, road blocks, incident mgmt (AIIMS), etc, etc). Same type of work SES do with CFS.
With the defence forces now deployed in Victoria to assist in recovery, unknown if a large contingent of volunteers will be required.
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Love some of the comments in the Advertiser this morning:
"I wish the Australian government would spend some real money on firefighting aircraft then these fires wouldn't happen"
"If they got some of those super scoopers they would have made all the difference
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interesting observation re the use of plains at fires.
It is my understanding at some of the fires on Saturday (Horsham for instance)that the conditions were that bad that they didn't use the aircraft at times as it was too dangerous.
Aircraft should be viewed as only one tool for fighting fires, not the "great white hope" many non firefighters believe, just because you see time after time the aircraft "saving" an asset.
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Love some of the comments in the Advertiser this morning:
"I wish the Australian government would spend some real money on firefighting aircraft then these fires wouldn't happen"
"If they got some of those super scoopers they would have made all the difference
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interesting observation re the use of plains at fires.
It is my understanding at some of the fires on Saturday (Horsham for instance)that the conditions were that bad that they didn't use the aircraft at times as it was too dangerous.
Aircraft should be viewed as only one tool for fighting fires, not the "great white hope" many non firefighters believe, just because you see time after time the aircraft "saving" an asset.
AAAAHHHHHH...... BLASPHEMY! ........ ALL HAIL THE SKYCRANE!!!!!!!!!!!! :-D
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this is certainly a religion that is over the top lol.
Keep training to fight fires without aircraft mates.
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For people in parts of the
Northern Country,
Northeast and
Alpine Forecast Districts.
Issued at 3:15 pm Thursday, 12 February 2009.
Severe thunderstorms are likely to produce very heavy rainfall, flash flooding and large hailstones in the warning area over the next several hours. Locations which may be affected include Wodonga, Wangaratta, Bright, Falls Creek, Mt Hotham and Mt Buller.
Wangaratta has recently recorded 15mm of rain in half an hour.
Source BOM
Thought you guys might be interested:
cheers
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For people in parts of the
Northern Country,
Northeast and
Alpine Forecast Districts.
Issued at 3:15 pm Thursday, 12 February 2009.
Severe thunderstorms are likely to produce very heavy rainfall, flash flooding and large hailstones in the warning area over the next several hours. Locations which may be affected include Wodonga, Wangaratta, Bright, Falls Creek, Mt Hotham and Mt Buller.
Wangaratta has recently recorded 15mm of rain in half an hour.
Source BOM
Thought you guys might be interested:
cheers
Same thing happened after some previous major fires (I think Ash Wednesday II) where heavy rainfall caused flash flooding soon after the fire event. Because the ground was burnt and no vegetation left to hold the ground together, mud slides are a possability.
Some theories about that the amount of smoke & ash in the air causes the rain. :? Some say it is the land beginning to self heal..
I hope this helps the existing fire grounds & does not inhibit the recovery work or relief centre camps.
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yeah..where there are small solid particles in the air, it will rain.
Strange thing is...SA must not have enough "filtered in the air". Yet when it does rain, it leaves my car scheiße looking.
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anyone noticed the community letters on the CFA website. very imformative.
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seems CFA were somewhat much more prepared in some respects for this size of disaster than...what CFS is prepared for atm....unless its all part of the AIIMS IMT training.
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CFS were screaming out for IMT last summer and that compares nuthing to VIC....But the community newsletters are awsum very imformative :)
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Well now there seems to be Dedicated L3 Teams (Coloured)...which seem to be working well enough now.
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Spoke to some SES people today and they did not know anyting about SES going an dso they went and contacted their regional office and no one has caleld them back yet...
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Spoke to some SES people today and they did not know anyting about SES going an dso they went and contacted their regional office and no one has caleld them back yet...
i have heard that 2 ses staff have gone over to assist with imt i don't think any volunteers have been asked for at this stage.
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Same thing happened after some previous major fires (I think Ash Wednesday II) where heavy rainfall caused flash flooding soon after the fire event. Because the ground was burnt and no vegetation left to hold the ground together, mud slides are a possability.
MacAlister River. 2007
http://www.lightninghunter.net/gippsland_floods.htm (http://www.lightninghunter.net/gippsland_floods.htm)
Changed the course of the rive in more than one place. Destroyed pastures, banks, roads. Ripped big gutters across paddocks and river flats.
I was up there 4 months ago after deer.
The birds are only just starting to come back.
The small native mammals are still totally absent.
Yet some FOOLS claim that HR damages biodiversity. <snarl>
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CFA FIREFIGHTER DIES IN HOUSEFIRE IN VICTORIA ~ AFTER SPENDING DAYS ON THE FRONT LINES:
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25043481-661,00.html
UPDATE 9.15pm: POLICE are probing a suspicious fire that killed a CFA volunteer after he returned from the bushfire front line.
Country Fire Authority (CFA) mates have named the dead man as Russell Pitt, whose body was found in the burnt-out ruins of his Upper Ferntree Gully home on Thursday morning.
CFA trucks were called to the Jean St address about 3.30am today to find the house engulfed in flames.
“When we got there this morning and the house was going, I think the initial crew was very sad, but we went on with our business until it was under control and then we all got out of it because by that stage I think the emotion was starting to tell with all the guys,'' Upper Ferntree Gully brigade captain Peter Smith told reporters.
Mr Pitt had returned home briefly after days fighting bushfires at Mirboo North in Gippsland and at Yarra Glen.
He was due to be sent out for fire duty again on Thursday.
“It's not fair. It's just not fair that he's been out doing all that, and here he is at home in bed,'' Mr Smith said.
“We're not quite sure what happened. Yeah, it's just not fair.''
Detective Acting Senior Sergeant Chris Goldrick, from the Knox CIU, said it could be some time before the body was formally identified.
He said the arson squad was investigating the cause of the fire, which is being treated as suspicious.
One neighbour said Mr Pitt was very community-minded.
“He was a really nice guy, involved with the community, the CFA and the likes,'' he told the Nine Network.
Another neighbour said she tried to save Mr Pitt's house.
“I came out and got the garden hose but I couldn't get close enough to the house,'' she said.
After the arson squad examined the scene, police said the blaze was being treated as suspicious.
A post-mortem examination will be conducted.
Police have notified the next of kin, the Knox Leader has reported.
He was among the team that spent several hours battling the Quarry Rd bushfire on Black Saturday – only a couple of hundred metres away from his home, a neighbour told the Knox Leader.
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100 personel this next deployment!
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ahhhh good news another 100 FF from south of Gepps cross..... :roll:
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KI, Para, Strath, Heysen, and a group from the south east. it looks like so far.
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i saw Eastern Eyre were askin 4 names...than had to ask again cos the names got rejected. Im just hanging for the page to ask.
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Dont get your hopes up Mac :| cause they want people to stay behind and keep an eye on South Australia
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i heard thats what there leavin teh DOO home 4 :wink:
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Attention all opportunities to go to victoria are now open contact station for further info MFS Whyalla 529 Response
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CFS: SIG INC: FYI: FOR IMMEDIATE ATTENTION - DEPLOYMENT TO VIC TO BE 50 F/F ONLY. ADVICE TO FOLLOW LATER TODAY IF APPLIANCES REQD. PLEASE POPULATE IRIS - DSC EDEN. > 13/02/2009 12:03:49 PM CFS R1 HQ Info
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theyve postponed some groups till Tuesday.
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a certain region isn even asking for people interested they are jus tpicking the people who have been before......
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A mate from work is is flying out tomorrow.
~Those who are staying behind, I hear the weather on Saturday in SA is going to be rather nasty..
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Forecast for Saturday
Fine and mostly sunny. Possible morning smoke haze resulting from the Victorian
fires. Light to moderate northeast winds turning moderate to fresh southwest to
southeast winds during the afternoon.
Precis Fine. Mostly sunny.
City: Min 16 Max 30
:?
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A mate from work is is flying out tomorrow.
~Those who are staying behind, I hear the weather on Saturday in SA is going to be rather nasty..
Forecast for Saturday
Fine and mostly sunny. Possible morning smoke haze resulting from the Victorian
fires. Light to moderate northeast winds turning moderate to fresh southwest to
southeast winds during the afternoon.
Precis Fine. Mostly sunny.
City: Min 16 Max 30
HMM....sounds like a normal autumm Day.
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Not everyone lives in the CBD.. :wink: .. It was predicted to be nasty (I believe there was some hint of stong winds), however that prediction has since changed by the looks of it.
However, still plenty of action, good to see the guys from Station 80 getting to work! (Missed it by two days lads! See ya next week..)
MFS: *CFSRES INC041 13/02/09 15:06,RESPOND GRASS FIRE,SOUTHERN EXP,REYNELLA MAP 176 E 14 TG182,4TH ALARM
~Bombers did a number of drops, calls for asset protection were heard as well.
Normal day Zippy...?
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Spoke to some SES people today and they did not know anyting about SES going an dso they went and contacted their regional office and no one has caleld them back yet...
My understanding & second had information is: Two SA SES paid staff members went over and they are returning. Two more paid staff member left this morning. They are doing rotations within the Victorian Integrated Emergency Management Centre. No SA SES volunteers at this time.
New Media Release on www.ses.sa.gov.au gives more specific details.
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Not everyone lives in the CBD.. :wink: .. It was predicted to be nasty (I believe there was some hint of stong winds), however that prediction has since changed by the looks of it.
However, still plenty of action, good to see the guys from Station 80 getting to work! (Missed it by two days lads! See ya next week..)
MFS: *CFSRES INC041 13/02/09 15:06,RESPOND GRASS FIRE,SOUTHERN EXP,REYNELLA MAP 176 E 14 TG182,4TH ALARM
~Bombers did a number of drops, calls for asset protection were heard as well.
Normal day Zippy...?
two youths and a guy with a camp fire detained... apparently its been a normal thing for a quite a while for a fire next to the expressway daily.
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Not everyone lives in the CBD.. :wink: .. It was predicted to be nasty (I believe there was some hint of stong winds), however that prediction has since changed by the looks of it.
However, still plenty of action, good to see the guys from Station 80 getting to work! (Missed it by two days lads! See ya next week..)
MFS: *CFSRES INC041 13/02/09 15:06,RESPOND GRASS FIRE,SOUTHERN EXP,REYNELLA MAP 176 E 14 TG182,4TH ALARM
~Bombers did a number of drops, calls for asset protection were heard as well.
Normal day Zippy...?
two youths and a guy with a camp fire detained... apparently its been a normal thing for a quite a while for a fire next to the expressway daily.
Zip-meister, you need to check your sources buddy!!
Second fire near Darlington
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25049173-5006301,00.html
A man is being questioned by police who believe he lit a campfire which got out of control, sparking a second fire near Darlington.
That fire, which was near Seacombe Rd, was contained by firefighters around 3.40pm.
MFS and CFS crews fought the two blazes and two fixed-wing bombers were called in.
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thats the media for ya ;)..
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a certain region isn even asking for people interested they are jus tpicking the people who have been before......
I know the feeling as the pager has been silent for all our Brigade members and when I spoke to the Captain the other day he has no idea as none is speaking to her either.
I can appreciate the argument that the CFS can only supply as much they have been asked for without depleting their own stocks. Maybe a little bit of transparency in the system will calm a few of us down.
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a certain region isn even asking for people interested they are jus tpicking the people who have been before......
I know the feeling as the pager has been silent for all our Brigade members and when I spoke to the Captain the other day he has no idea as none is speaking to her either.
I can appreciate the argument that the CFS can only supply as much they have been asked for without depleting their own stocks. Maybe a little bit of transparency in the system will calm a few of us down.
my arguement is everyone thats been before had to go a first time...how are we mean tto gain experience if this is whats happening...were good enough to get rung up to baby sit some smoking stumps on a strike team but not good enough to go interstate...
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my arguement is everyone thats been before had to go a first time...how are we mean tto gain experience if this is whats happening...were good enough to get rung up to baby sit some smoking stumps on a strike team but not good enough to go interstate...
I agree with both Mac and malleefire theres a handful of us vollies who have been in the CFS for 5+ years and never been on an actual interstate deployment and are left to baby sit smoking stumps or a campfire here in South Australia
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The selection method is some what unknown. I do hope that as an after the deployment review that this is brought up as having a clear and uncomplicated method of selection will reduce the angst that people are feeling as to why they are not going. Then again it needs to be applied across the entire state consistently.
Going on strike team have provided a wealth of experience that I would not of other wide of gained but lets share the experience around so that every ones skills improve in the service not just a few.
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Standby for the rampup! :wink:
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exactly malleefire..im from a brigade that if we get 10 callouts a year thats huge...anywho we will wait n c :)
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Here ya go Jaff
Who gives a scheiße if you go or not.
Would i like to go yes, do i care if someone else from the brigade goes hell no.
You all need to realise your time will come eventually, i've been a member for 18 years and a firefighter for 13 years, but you don't see me getting annoyed because i havent been interstate yet.
Honestly guys if your that desperate to go jump in your car with your PPE and drive there. :roll:
And mallee fire it must be your region that has got that policy because most members from my area that have gone have never done so before
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my arguement is everyone thats been before had to go a first time...how are we mean tto gain experience if this is whats happening...were good enough to get rung up to baby sit some smoking stumps on a strike team but not good enough to go interstate...
I agree with both Mac and malleefire theres a handful of us vollies who have been in the CFS for 5+ years and never been on an actual interstate deployment and are left to baby sit smoking stumps or a campfire here in South Australia
There is in fact, a heck of a lot of CFS volunteers with more than 5 years service who have never been on an interstate deployment. In fact I'd wager that there is more CFS volunteers who have not ever been on an interstate deployment, than those who have.
If your reason for being a CFS member is interstate deployments rather than protecting your own community, then I question your motivation.
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Alan the comment that I believe that you are referring to was not made by me but by Robert
The comment that I made is that the method of selection is still unknown. It is not about wanting to go or not or protecting our own communities it is about how they are selecting the people to go.
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i wouldn start questioning peoples motivation whiteknight....
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Lets play nice in the sandpit, please..
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Sorry for the mix-up Malleefire
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CFSR5: R5 GO's and DGO's there will be a self hosted teleconference at 1130 hrs today regarding a new requirement for the Vic fires. Same numbers as previous teleconferences. Please call the ops line if you require details. RO Hastie CFS Naracoorte Group Officers Info
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Hmmm i wonder if thats to do with sending appliances or crews over :?
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i wouldn start questioning peoples motivation whiteknight....
And what would you mean by that?
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And what would you mean by that?
Well Whiteknight its a simple statement with a complex meaning being that
a. you don't know the background of whom your having dialogue with
b. you don't know where they are in terms of a physical location
c. you don't know what cultural / social background they have
I have experienced along with other members of the Brigade members where members of the community and work colleagues are asking why aren't you in Victoria i.e. peer pressure from community expectations.
So Whiteknight the simple is rarely as simple as we make it out to be :evil:
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As have we all Malleefire, as have we all :wink:
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Again guys, just ensure its kept civil please.. ;)
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another fire broken out at belgrave...multiple strike teams being responded for asset protection...
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5 strike teams, heading northwest towards Kallista. Monbulk Road Closed. Suspicious Cause.
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HbBELG4 STRUC1 HOUSE FIRE 3 COLE AV BELGRAVE /MONBULK RD M 75 G8 (556037) F090208584 KALL UPWE
here we go again :-(
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mmmm my thoughts too :(
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Stop for cole avenue, false alarm, good intent call for that home.
thats on the southern end of the fire. fire travelling North westerly
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Hey did anyone watch abc news? i saw some American who had arrived to help say we do some things "a bit old fashioned" did anyone else hear that?
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haha...its interesting to note that american's do some very old fashion things tooo.
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hmm...Belgrave...serious firefighting country there....lets hope it is snuffed out quick
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Region 13
BELGRAVE
PETERS RD
15/02/2009 19:37:00
Grass & Scrub
Controlled - Small
12 appliances
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Yes I did hear the Yank's say that did they bring there big bulky truck or the roll out TNT truck where they run down the side of a hill and blow up what is inline of the fire front......
The Belgrave fire is still burning this morning the area it is in is in one of the high risk area's that the group has on its risk plan,bombers did slow it down and crews have worked over night.... Well done to the crews and the locals ...
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want to see the goodwill that the CFA and CFS (and all the other Volunteer Fire Services) have built up over the last 20 years disappear in a heartbeat......
from the Australian Newspaper website
Bushfire accused was volunteer firefighter
THE man accused of starting one of the deadly Victorian bushfires was a member of a country fire brigade whose members cheated death fighting the blaze.
The 39-year-old Churchill man, who was charged on Friday with arson causing death, joined the local Country Fire Authority brigade in the 1980s, The Australian reports.
The man is due to appear in Melbourne Magistrates Court today. He faces one charge of arson causing death, one charge of intentionally lighting a bushfire and one charge of possessing child pornography.
sad to see this as an outcome, I guess we are going to become like Scout Leaders who are all assumed to be pedophiles....guilty by association and public paranoia
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But in that portion of the article doesn't indicate that the accused is still a member or not.....
I'm guessing he probably isn't......brigade might have thought him a bit odd, and got rid of him some time ago....!!
Pip
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other sources & articles have been careful to state that he
is not a CFA member, & has been rejected from membership of
at least one if not several brigades.
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The news that we never ever want to hear in the fire service has happened :(
An ACT Firefighter has lost his life in the victorian fires tonight, after a tree fell on a Fire Appliance.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25069702-661,00.html
Keep your thoughts..and prayers with the firefighters family and crew, and the rest of Victoria.
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But in that portion of the article doesn't indicate that the accused is still a member or not.....
I'm guessing he probably isn't......brigade might have thought him a bit odd, and got rid of him some time ago....!!
Pip
agree entirely Pip, but it is the headline that does the damage in this instance.
In fact The Australian was still leading with that headline and by-line when other Melb papers were following up with the fact that he had been applying to join since the 80's and kept getting knocked back. Responsible jounalism at its best
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PMGCC: FYI: Pt Mac QRV being deployed today to Vic Fires untill further notice, Max Carrison is part of this deployment untill wednesday. Cheers PMC CFS Pt MacDonnell Info
(1/1) 21/02/2009 6:58:16 AM Paracombe QRV Leaving SAT am for VIC Fires. Paracombe Captain Paracombe: CFS Paracombe Info
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Bute and freeling QRV have also been sent this morning....
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yup tru bill
im leaving on monday
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Sounds like a few will be flying out Monday I am part of our crew that is going from the Naracoorte group as yet we dont know times are where we are going....
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Hopefully i get my chance late this week coming to be deployed although i havent heard anything as yet :|
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Sounds like a few will be flying out Monday I am part of our crew that is going from the Naracoorte group as yet we dont know times are where we are going....
Same same mate i dare say will find out 2 mora...mite see ya over there :wink:
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Naracoorte and wattle range groups are flying out Monday from mount gambier at 1630hrs at this point in time we still dont know where we are going..
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we are flyin out from adelaide at 1530hrs thats all info to bill
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Fleet of QAV's going over as well
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Jeff the QRV(QAV) are already there they got there saturday night my family was saying they are/where at kangaroo ground waiting to be sent out on Sunday...
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a few larger jobs in victoria in new spots today.
several strike teams activated for Daylesford and Dandenong Fire's.
Spotting at Narre Warren.
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Jeff the QRV(QAV) are already there they got there saturday night my family was saying they are/where at kangaroo ground waiting to be sent out on Sunday...
I know that Bill they were at Whittlesea staging area.Black Rock Group Command Car is leader :wink:
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Major job at Nixon Road,Upwey first arrival was make tankers 20 and multiple strike teams and MFB strike teams have responded.URGENT THREAT ISSUED 20 streets under threat from direct impact :-o
Also job at Belgrave crews are doing asset protection
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Multiple Strike Team's move ups and Asset protections. Evacuations occuring.
Upper Ferntree Gully 3.4C: totaled.
Scoresby tanker: burnt and 2 firefighters burnt
Another home lost.
Daylesford Fire: 250ha
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Just a few strike teams
ST 0202
ST 0701
ST 0801
ST 0804
ST 0814
ST 0823
ST 0834
ST 0844
ST 0854
ST 0864
ST 9599
ST 1305
ST 1334
ST 1354
ST 1373
ST 1402
ST 1403
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Sitrep?
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http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25092748-5006301,00.html
thats a good sitrep.
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Smeaton CFA Tanker was destroyed yesterday, The Firefighters onboard escaped uninjured.
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:-o :-o Thank god for burn over training although the only downside is that now the CFA have to replace 2 tankers
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15:36:23 24-02-09 QDA European wasp safety alert for members moving around burnt out areas. There have been reports of increased European wasps on carcasses in the fire grounds. The Wasps are more aggressive than normal and due care and consideration needs to be considered when moving in these areas. From Gavin Kelly RECC Coordinator. [N_E_STAFF]
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@@ALERT F090211834 BARA2 G&SC1 GRASS FIRE BEHIND ESTA GEAR AV MOUNT HELEN SVC 8124 G5 (548314) BRAT BUNI SEBA WENO [BRATS]
Fire just near ESTA "VICFIRE" comcen.....all i can think is "We dont require a sitrep, we can see it for ourselves!"
16:30:33 24-02-09 @@ALERT F090211844 BARA3 INCIC3 2 SQUARE METERS OF UNKNOWN SUBSTANCE SPILT ON ROAD CNR GEELONG RD/WHITEHORSE RD MOUNT CLEAR SVC 8114 F6 (532343) BRAT SEBA [BRATS]
Woops they probably drove through a hazmat enroute to the job.
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Another Firefighter, in the CFA, has been struck by a fallen tree. according to the source of this info, doesnt sound good, just have to pray he may be given some hope.
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Another Firefighter, in the CFA, has been struck by a fallen tree. according to the source of this info, doesnt sound good, just have to pray he may be given some hope.
Whoops. Look up and Live (Not just for Powerlines)
Very sad news that the operational toll could now well be 2.
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The CFA firefighter was hit by falling tree at Snobs Creek Rd, Eildon
@@Inc: 902253065 Code: 1 Rcd: 14:34 Gvn: 14:38 Add: SNOBS CREEK ROAD EILDON XRef: Map: 6371 F3 CC: 30B01 TRAUMATIC INJURIES, POSSIBLY DANGEROUS BODY AREA Age: y M Info: CFA MAN HIT BY FALLING TREE PT IS UNCONSCIOUS
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What we didnt want to hear :-o
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25105611-5006301,00.html
A COUNTRY Fire Service volunteer has been injured fighting the bushfires in Victoria.
The man, 39, was helping in the containment of the Murrindindi complex of fires near Alexandra about 60 kilometres, north-east of Melbourne when he was hit by a falling branch just before 2.30pm.
He was treated at the scene immediately by CFS firefighters.
Ambulance officers have taken over his treatment and he is being transported to the Alexandra Hospital.
The CFS understands that he will be transferred by helicopter from Alexandra to the Alfred Hospital in Melbourne.
The CFS said it was not in a position to provide any further advice on the firefighter's injuries.
CFS Chief Officer Euan Ferguson said the man's family have been advised and no other information is being released at this stage.
"It's still early yet and our thoughts are with our colleague, his family and his workmates," Mr Ferguson said.
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he's one of our own :-o :oops:
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hope he makes a full recovery and the rest of the firefighters remain safe
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hear hear hope he comes through ok
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Has anyone got any news on how the guy is doing, and where he's from?
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he's from the mid north somewhere apparently (R4), no info on his condition. There have been many injured, mostly DSE people. The word is all CFS deployments will, from today, be accompanied by a paramedic.
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media release
SA Country Fire Service
Condition stable - injured CFS firefighter
Thursday, 26 February 2009
A 39-year-old Country Fire Service (CFS) firefighter who was injured yesterday while assisting in the Victorian bushfires remains in a stable but serious condition in a Melbourne hospital.
Ian Kleinig, who is a Lieutenant with the CFS Burra Brigade in Region 4, was struck by a large tree limb while working on the containment of the Murrindindi complex of fires near Alexandra about 60 kilometres, north-east of Melbourne.
The father of two boys aged 9 and 11 was among a South Australian contingent of CFS and MFS firefighters deployed to Victoria when the accident happened in the afternoon.
He was taken to the Royal Melbourne Hospital where he remains in an induced coma.
A medical examination revealed that he has no spinal injuries.
Mr Kleinig?s wife and his father were flown to Melbourne yesterday and have remained by his bedside.
CFS Chief Officer Ferguson said his thoughts and wishes have been focussed on a full recovery and that Ian has support of the entire CFS community.
"This incident has been an unfortunate reminder of the unpredictable hazards our firefighters will often face in the course of their activities," Mr Ferguson said.
"Our operational procedures recognise these risks and we have procedures in place to not only safeguard against these incidents but to deal with them in an effective way when they do occur."
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he's from the mid north somewhere apparently (R4), no info on his condition. There have been many injured, mostly DSE people. The word is all CFS deployments will, from today, be accompanied by a paramedic.
without detracting from the current unfortunate situation at all.... I join everyone in wishing Ian all the very best
a predictable but knee-jerk response to what is an operational risk every time we go onto a fire-ground. One paramedic siting in a base wont provide any meaningful support to the group, beyond what Ambulance Victoria are all ready providing, and isnt a great vote of confidence in their capabilities to manage. Unless someone has some evidence that they (Amb Vic) arent up to it...i think we would be better off with another firefighter taking up a seat than an ambo who will only be in danger of over-eating or boredom.
One in each strike team command car would be better.....but when it all gets shitty, who looks after the untrained passenger. Of course if fire fighters had appropriate and meaningful first aid training (thats advanced first aid and resus), then the issue wouldnt be one we would need to worry about.
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Firefighter Paramedic's will be the next big thing for SAAS probably, i think. embeded in CFS (similar to the current Oscar whatever'S)
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How long have you been thinking that? months?
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it just came to mind....BAM they want paramedics attached to firefighters...hang on they do that in america! SAAS is really into what London does? so does london do it too? lol
Theres a LOT of paramedics already embedded into CFS just by being volunteers, which is nice and convenient.
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embeded in CFS (similar to the current Oscar whatever'S)
You mean SOT?
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For my personal interest I went back to the beginning of this thread & reread some of the postings.
If CFS had deployed everything possible in strike teams to Victoria, could the current rotation of volunteers be kept up ?
It really reinforced within me a comment made by a person made a few years ago. Never throw everything at the problem at the beginning, you will have nothing left in reserve.
I am not sure how many rotations of volunteers have been sent & if anyone has gone twice. But I would be interested if someone has access to the figures.
Also, is this the first time that paid staff from MFS have been deployed with CFS volunteers and been on the same rural truck ? If so, why the change ? (my conspiracy nerve is twitching).
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The Vics expect that the fires will continue until Easter, when, normally, they get rain....
If CFS had sent far more people on deployments, could we sustain the numbers...? maybe.
I suspect that as time goes on, it is actually easier to get people, rather than harder, as more people have time to arrange leave / time off etc
As for MFS crews, we had mets crews with us on deployment to Sydney in 1994, so that is nothing new.
Pip
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Also, is this the first time that paid staff from MFS have been deployed with CFS volunteers and been on the same rural truck ? If so, why the change ? (my conspiracy nerve is twitching).
No. Been happening since Bala Ranges in 2001(?)
Certainly had a permo on our crew at Arcadia a few months later.
Can we maintain the current deployment rate long term? Probably.
My brigade has still 4 hands up who haven't been.
Others would be the same.
2 strike teams isn't a lot, but it is useful.
cheers
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people who have been over once will be first asked to go again. due tot he extreme danger of the fire grounds. deployment that got home today changed the thinkin of deploying crews interstate... :wink:
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QDWeather for Tuesday - A very aggressive cold front moving through the State similar to the gale event of 2 April 2008. Warm north winds will strengthen to gale force, in alpine areas pre dawn then more generally ahead of the change. This is shaping up to be a critical extreme fire weather day similar to the 7th February - Brigades & Groups are asked to start planning over the weekend for crewing of Strike Teams from Monday night.Requests for crew names will be made Monday regrards
:-o
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mmm...another scheiße day.
Any lightining...if so, a VERY scheiße day.
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any day is filtered in VIC at moment
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any day is filtered in VIC at moment
yeah true,
no good having strong winds with pre-existing fires. hopefully theres at least 3 layers of control lines...Q&A?
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Kinglake CFA Captains Story....It somewhat links up with the blogs posted eariler with the appliance crash.
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=B11D9FE1986E82D1
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people who have been over once will be first asked to go again. due tot he extreme danger of the fire grounds. deployment that got home today changed the thinkin of deploying crews interstate... :wink:
I hope that this is not the case and yes I do now this sound so much like an other thread but it needs to said. If you are going to recycle the members (sorry I am not trying to be derogatory) that have already been their employers may say sorry no more time off or for other it may mean that bill don't get paid. By involving as many people as possible you are improving the entire service not just a few learning opportunities should be grasped with both hands not protected by a few individuals.
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Having just got back from the Victorian fire's i wont be putting my hand up to go back... just one thing i will say that the MFS guys all worked well with the CFS teams and it was great concept and one that should always be used if it can we all worked well and at night had our meals and drinks as ONE FIRE SERVICE and not two...I am happy to work with MFS at any time and te crews that we went with also said the same of CFS....Some very good friendships have been made out of these fires,well done to CFS for putting in the SPAM team guys on this rotation...
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Forecast for Tuesday
Northerly to northwest winds averaging up to 65 to 75 km/h, shifting west to southwest of similar strength during the afternoon. Scattered showers and the chance of a thunderstorm developing with the change.
City
Windy. A few showers developing.
Min 21
Max 35
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Im going back cant let what we saw put ya off ;) those filtered neeed help 4 sure..
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QDGOOD MORNING, AS DISCUSSED DURING OUR TELECONFERENCE ON WED AFTERNOON (OO'S/GO'S), CAN YOU PLEASE ENSURE THAT BY 8AM MONDAY MORNING THAT YOU HAVE FROM EACH OF YOUR BRIGADES BETWEEN 3 - 5 MEMBERS MOBILE NUMBERS SO THAT JEANETTE CAN ENTER INTO SMSER BY MONDAY AFTERNOON. I'M NOT CONFIDENT THAT THE PAGING SYSTEM WILL COPE WITH THE INFLUX OF CALLS EXPECTED ON TUES AS A RESULT OF THE EXTREME WEATHER. SES & CFA ARE EXPECTED TO BE VERY BUSY WITH FIRE & STORM DAMAGE. PLS EMAIL [email protected] OM T.OWEN
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comms is a big problem over there at the moment......
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are you meaning comm's technology or comm's protocol?
Considering they use Repeated VHF, i dont mind there setup, but its yeah things can go wrong with it.
Compared to our SAGRN System, our system lets us loose too much, particularly our protocol.
Offtopic Idea. Scrap group talkgroups, bring-in Adelaide Fire assigned Go-To talkgroups, release the talkgroup at the end of the job etc, so there is only 1 defined talkgroup for an incident number, (unless an escalated incident).
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QDAll members. FYI Weather Estimates for Tuesday are currently Temp: 35, RH: 11 Wind: N 70 gusting to 110 kph. Wind change W 50 kph 1500-1900Hrs. Forest FDI: 138 Grass FDI: 272 [NARR]\
:-o
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not good.
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they should be telling people to just get the hell out n go to melbourne on tuesday this has potential to be very very nasty
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Will the Erikson head over tommorow, SA's weather conditions are forecast neutral for the fore-seeable future?
Should SA send over 3-4 strike teams with appliances for Tuesdays predicted weather event?
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Victoria declined the offer of strike teams of appliances...but absolutely love the strike team of QRV's they think there the best thing since sliced bread.
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CFA COMMS did not work good up in the rubicon sector nor did the appliances have handheld radios which was a big problem when your half way down the side of the hill away from your tanker...
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yea was fair poxy wasn it
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have to say I wasnt overly enthralled by the Vics Comms system. Didnt function overly well for us in many instances however I didnt have to use it so therefore that might be a jaundiced view.
Two things I did like;
Numbered Strike teams and shortened callsigns. The predetermined Strike team concept is a good one I reckon and is something we could easily incorporate here and just have a standing deployment document. So u know who is going to be heading ur way, when u up the alarm, staging can be predetermined (mostly) so its a whole bunch of "organising and thinking" that doesnt have to be done when you're trying to keep the brown stuff out of the ceiling fan.
Likewise I reckon we spend an inordinate amount of time on the radio telling everyone who we are and who we want to speak to. When its bad, you dont have the airtime amongst everyone else calling for help.....go listen to some of the Vic fires Youtube stuff to confirm this for yourself. With the numbered strike team concept....our Strike team was 1006, our Strike Team Leader became 1006 Strike Team Leader (funnily enough), but with us talking to him....it reverted to 1006 (ten zero six) de XXX Tanker, quick simple and concise. Most times the word tanker was not used either.
On a slightly different topic.....anyone hear of the firie injured in Vic last week with burns to his lower leg? Didnt see that one make the news
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looks like SES are organising a deployment for VIC
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I like all the comments about CFS looking bad with the dress uniform. But look at the poor MFS guys with PPI Gold or PPI pants and a worktop.
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PBI pants, and a level 1 Work top? meh...they'd cope?
Dress uniform? CFS already has one....u'd be refering to the CFS Field uniform (UNDER the Level 1 PPE)...which CFS already has one.. again. i think only 2 or 3 brigades have taken it on?
any news on the weather for tommorow in vic? eased up slightly from what im seeing, but still bad.
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FDI for tuesday are in the low 200 with strong north winds temp around 37.....Must say the MFS guys we had in our group worked well i gave the guy on our tanker a pair of real gloves rather than what they where given to use he wanted to give them back i said no you can keep them.
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Just got of the phone from oneof my many CFA contacts,they are saying strong winds of up to 150km per hour in some area's,aircraft will all be removed from the fireground by 10am on tuesday due too strong winds.There is a full article in the THE HEARLD SUN NEWS PAPER and MSN messages will be sent to all phones in Victoria....does not sound good....
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Small rumour is some brigades are being asked to prepare their trucks for interstate deployment...but back to weather yea i think there going to be in all sorts of trouble :|
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MSN messages will be sent to all phones in Victoria....does not sound good....
SMS messages?
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looks like SES are organising a deployment for VIC
09:06:20 02-03-09 State Page, Any members wishing to be considered for possible Vic storm deployment leaving Tuesday contact ASAP through your normal chain of command. Min Req, Basic, First Aid, Storm, and preferably chainsaw. Must be prepared for medical c SES SITREPS
Latest page today:
13:25:00 03-03-09 State Page. Victorian Deployment highly unlikely today, weather has been slower reaching Victoria than anticipated.Still a possibility for early Wednesday. Will advise later today. Regards SDO SES SITREPS
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On a slightly different topic.....anyone hear of the firie injured in Vic last week with burns to his lower leg? Didnt see that one make the news
Apparently stepped in a hole and burnt his leg above the boot a little.
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On a slightly different topic.....anyone hear of the firie injured in Vic last week with burns to his lower leg? Didnt see that one make the news
Apparently stepped in a hole and burnt his leg above the boot a little.
that would be correct ;)
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And another one tonight
@@Inc: 903023122 Code: 2 Rcd: 22:35 Gvn: 22:36 Add: ALEXANDRA STAGE FIRST AID POST ALEXANDRA XRef: Map: UNKNOWN CC: 07A01 BURNS/EXPLOSION, BURNS <18% BODY AREA Age: F Info: FIREMAN WITH BURNS TO LOWER LEG
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WX for region 23
R23 WX: Tue 03/03/09. The chance of T/storms during the evening. Winds N-NE aver 35-45 km/h, up to 50 km/h. Temperatures 28-34 during the day. NE AVE TEMP: 33 RH: 25% WIND: NNE 40 G 70 GFDI: 49 FDR: V/HIGH R.O.S: 7.9 Kph. FFDI: 42 FDR: V/HIGH R.O.S: 1.41 kph. SPOT: 5.0 Km. CROWN: Yes. LAL =1 *Wed 04/03/09. Cloudy. Isolated T/storms in am. Isolated showers. Winds W-NW aver 30-40 km/h, up to 45 km/h. O/night temps falling to 11 with day temps reaching 16-22. GFDI: 45 V/HIGH. FFDI: 31 V/High. O.O. A Mills
FDI hasnt reached extreme yet..but the ROS/SPOT/CROWN aint good to see.
think theyve reduced the overall wind speed forecast, but theres still wind.
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WX for region 23
R23 WX: Tue 03/03/09. The chance of T/storms during the evening. Winds N-NE aver 35-45 km/h, up to 50 km/h. Temperatures 28-34 during the day. NE AVE TEMP: 33 RH: 25% WIND: NNE 40 G 70 GFDI: 49 FDR: V/HIGH R.O.S: 7.9 Kph. FFDI: 42 FDR: V/HIGH R.O.S: 1.41 kph. SPOT: 5.0 Km. CROWN: Yes. LAL =1 *Wed 04/03/09. Cloudy. Isolated T/storms in am. Isolated showers. Winds W-NW aver 30-40 km/h, up to 45 km/h. O/night temps falling to 11 with day temps reaching 16-22. GFDI: 45 V/HIGH. FFDI: 31 V/High. O.O. A Mills
FDI hasnt reached extreme yet..but the ROS/SPOT/CROWN aint good to see.
think theyve reduced the overall wind speed forecast, but theres still wind.
really interesting to see how badly wrong the weather forecast here has been. 2 days ago...in fact even last night, talk of 140kph winds - where are they?.....not saying its a bad thing not to have them, but the accuracy of things has to be a point of concern. Following on from the "Day of Terror" last week that was a fizzer....theres a credibility issue becoming apparant that will make it harder for the public to get onside with warnings in the future
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the current Bom staff must be just out of Uni....
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the current Bom staff must be just out of Uni....
or the weather has started doing strange things that it doesn't normally do, and is getting harder to predict...
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WX for region 23
R23 WX: Tue 03/03/09. The chance of T/storms during the evening. Winds N-NE aver 35-45 km/h, up to 50 km/h. Temperatures 28-34 during the day. NE AVE TEMP: 33 RH: 25% WIND: NNE 40 G 70 GFDI: 49 FDR: V/HIGH R.O.S: 7.9 Kph. FFDI: 42 FDR: V/HIGH R.O.S: 1.41 kph. SPOT: 5.0 Km. CROWN: Yes. LAL =1 *Wed 04/03/09. Cloudy. Isolated T/storms in am. Isolated showers. Winds W-NW aver 30-40 km/h, up to 45 km/h. O/night temps falling to 11 with day temps reaching 16-22. GFDI: 45 V/HIGH. FFDI: 31 V/High. O.O. A Mills
FDI hasnt reached extreme yet..but the ROS/SPOT/CROWN aint good to see.
think theyve reduced the overall wind speed forecast, but theres still wind.
really interesting to see how badly wrong the weather forecast here has been. 2 days ago...in fact even last night, talk of 140kph winds - where are they?.....not saying its a bad thing not to have them, but the accuracy of things has to be a point of concern. Following on from the "Day of Terror" last week that was a fizzer....theres a credibility issue becoming apparant that will make it harder for the public to get onside with warnings in the future
Personally, I think the reaction cycle is going to be bad for the general public in the near future. For example:
ETSA still warn that they will cut electrical supply on bad fire days has a preventative. I have not heard that happen in recent years since aerial bundling of cable. BUT with lawyers threatening to sue in Victoria & Pt Lincoln, will they shutdown to be on the safe side ?? Then you will get the political consequence of people not having power on hot days... Damn'd if you do, Damn'd if you dont....
School closures & BoM warnings. No one said it was perfect & absolutely accurate. This morning I was called out because it was threatening. This is a regular occurance because if the Unit / Organisation does not pre-plan, you become reactive and behind the eight-ball toooo much. We answered two telephone calls.... Damn'd if you do, Damn'd if you dont....
If the organisation did not plan for a strike force of volunteers when it was requested, you will be reactive. The weather did not occur, so the deployment is delayed, possibly cancelled.... Damn'd if you do, Damn'd if you dont....
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Yeah Bajdas...i get all that, and you're certianly right with the Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't comment.
I guess my question is about the pretty OTT approach to the weather thats been in the media in the last week. Hopefully, theres a BOM talking head put in front of the public to explain why the 140+ kph (thats Cat 2 Cyclone strength) that were forecast didnt eventuate......and not leave it to the CFA and police to wear the can for it not being as bad as predicted - otherwise...when it happens next time it's the old "It wasnt as bad as they said last time, we'll be fine" attitude prevailing
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@@ALERT DERE1 F090300972 G&SC1 TANKER BARUT1 REQUIRED 59 SWANSON RD DEREEL /SAVAGE HILL RD SVC 6601 B11 (419098) BARU CAPE HARD MTME ROJU SHEL TEES WERN [BARU]
@@ALERT F090301001 DERE1 G&SC1 STRIKE TEAM 1553 RESPOND CODE 1 GRASS AND SCRUB FIRE GO TO CHANNEL 21 CNR SWANSON RD/SAVAGE HILL RD DEREEL SVC 6601 B11 (419099) CAPE LINT MDAR WDUC [liNT]
@@ALERT F090301015 DERE1 G&SC1 STRIKE TEAM 1535 RESPOND CODE 1 GRASS AND SCRUB FIRE GO TO CHANNEL 21 ASSEMBLE @ CNR COLAC-BALLARAT RD/SWANSON RD DEREEL SVC 6601 C11 (424098) BREE ELAI MTBU MWAR [MTBU]
07 DEREEL SWANSON RD 03/03/2009 15:31:00 Grass Going Medium 22
South of Ballarat
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Urgent Threat Message for Dereel, Corindhap and Rokewood
03/03/2009
Incident Information
The Dereel Swanson Road fire, burning near Dereel, is burning in a southerly direction and is estimated to be 5 to 10 hectares in size. The communities of Dereel, Corindhap and Rokewood may be directly impacted upon by this fire
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@@ALERT F090301047 BUNI4 G&SC1 STRIKE TEAM 1530 RESPOND CODE 1 GRASS AND SCRUB FIRE ASSEMBLE @ BUNINYONG CFA UFB LEARMONTH ST BUNINYONG /WARRENHEIP ST //MIDLAND HWY SVC 8124 F11 (545289) BARA BRAT BUNI SEBA WENO [BUNI]
Strike team 1530.
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Kilmore complex "local area brigades"...they seem to be getting a hammering of calls in there area's.
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Some areas have had good rain over night up to 25mm so much so that CFA crews are being stood down and more rain is due today....
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MFS: SIG INC: ADVANCED WARNING. DEPLOYMENT 5015 MAY NOT BE REQD TODAY DUE TO RAIN AT FIREGROUND. MORE INFO TO FOLLOW. DSC EDEN. 04/03/2009 7:01:20 AM CFS R1 HQ Response
CFS: SIG INC: FYI: CONFIRMED DEPLOYMENT 5015 TODAY IS NOT REQUIRED - DUTY OFFICERS PLS ADVISE ALL CREWS ASAP - DSC EDEN. > 04/03/2009 7:53:53 AM CFS R3 HQ Info
THANK GOD :-) :-) :-)
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Wouldnt have minded being on the trucks in the rain..what better work to do on a strike team, monitor a fire being automatically suppressed, at work instead now.
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Wouldnt have minded being on the trucks in the rain..what better work to do on a strike team, monitor a fire being automatically suppressed, at work instead now.
Yeh....Mud,Smoke & Rain....might as well throw in a few cans of spam to make to make it truly crap memorable :-)
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Wouldnt have minded being on the trucks in the rain..what better work to do on a strike team, monitor a fire being automatically suppressed, at work instead now.
Well there is keen and then there is stupid. You'd honestly rather be out, slogging around in the wet, long shifts doing essentially... nothing?
I don't know how many you've been on (not many I'd wager) but Strike Teams in the rain are about as close as I have come to necking myself on the fireground.
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nah....i was being sarcastic Numbers....Back to chatting to accountants...meanwhile applying for the Tasmanian Fire service career positions!
Jaff...i love the positive thinking :P
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nah....i was being sarcastic Numbers....Back to chatting to accountants...meanwhile applying for the Tasmanian Fire service career positions!
And speaking of necking yourself...
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Duh...
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nah....i was being sarcastic Numbers....Back to chatting to accountants...meanwhile applying for the Tasmanian Fire service career positions!
Jaff...i love the positive thinking :P
Tasmanian Fire Service...........You must be kicking yourself youve already had that other head cut off! :-D
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Source: http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/5389009/vic-bushfire-insurance-claims-112b/
Vic bushfire insurance claims now $1.12b
Insurance claims from the Victorian bushfires has now reached $1.12 billion with 90 per cent of all claims assessed.
The Insurance Council of Australia says the industry has paid out $220 million in emergency payments to policyholders whose properties have been damaged or destroyed.
It said 9,105 claims have been made with 84 per cent relating to property or contents and 16 per cent to vehicles.