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General Discussion => SA Firefighter General => Topic started by: Jono on January 04, 2008, 02:57:33 PM

Title: Helmet Camera
Post by: Jono on January 04, 2008, 02:57:33 PM
Does anyone else have one?

I just got mine for x-mas but havn't taken it to a job yet.

For people interested in buying one you can get them from a few different places. Ebay,  http://www.firehelmetcam.net/ (http://www.firehelmetcam.net/) or http://www2.oregonscientific.com/shop/browse.asp?cid=6&scid=14 (http://www2.oregonscientific.com/shop/browse.asp?cid=6&scid=14)

After buying mine of Ebay and modifying a torch clip to suit (which took ages). I would say the best bet is to buy the full kit of firehelmetcam.net to save the hassle. Though I'm not sure how well their camera mounts suit our helmets, may need to be bent a little bit to suit the right level of view.

Here's some pics for people interested and theres also a video. The quality though is reduced and all 'blocky' (You tube thing), don't mind the audio alot of wind noise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4uace8ROg4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4uace8ROg4)

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Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: 6739264 on January 04, 2008, 04:52:15 PM
Looks good.

Sounds like you'll have plenty of video of Seafood defaulting and MFS appliances already at jobs in no time!

Is it intrinsically safe?
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: mack on January 04, 2008, 05:07:30 PM
eeew ouch.
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: JC on January 04, 2008, 05:58:15 PM
Looks good.

Sounds like you'll have plenty of video of Seafood defaulting and MFS appliances already at jobs in no time!

Is it intrinsically safe?

Cheap shot, no need for that kind of fecal vomit.
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: safireservice on January 04, 2008, 06:39:11 PM
Looks good.

Sounds like you'll have plenty of video of Seafood defaulting and MFS appliances already at jobs in no time!

Is it intrinsically safe?
Maybe he could get some footage of MFS firefighters and put it on funniest home videos.  :wink:
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: Jono on January 04, 2008, 11:12:33 PM
Looks good.

Sounds like you'll have plenty of video of Seafood defaulting and MFS appliances already at jobs in no time!

Is it intrinsically safe?

Cool man cool! filtered great attitude.....
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: rescue5271 on January 05, 2008, 06:31:23 AM
looks good can't wait to see the action from the cam,and no need to be nasty and cheap.....
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: mack on January 05, 2008, 07:43:29 AM
looks good can't wait to see the action from the cam,and no need to be nasty and cheap.....

yeh looks good jono.

and numbers..... lets try not to bring every thread down.
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: 6739264 on January 05, 2008, 09:25:48 AM
Yeesh, looks like the days of poking fun are well and truly gone.

So as I asked in the serious side of my post, is it intrinsically safe?
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: rescue5271 on January 05, 2008, 02:18:34 PM
Does it matter if its safe or not?? GRN and VHF radios are not......
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: RescueHazmat on January 05, 2008, 02:56:39 PM
Does it matter if its safe or not?? GRN and VHF radios are not......

Of course it matters.
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: F.B.R.T on January 05, 2008, 03:54:16 PM
I had a search online, and it doesn't appear that they are rated as intrinsically safe.

If using one at a job where it could be an issue, I would offload the camera,helmet torch,portable radio and mobile phone if you carry one to be on the safe side! :-)

Cheers, Mat
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: mack on January 05, 2008, 03:54:42 PM
Does it matter if its safe or not?? GRN and VHF radios are not......

Of course it matters.

phhht.... if it mattered all CFS radios would be intrinsically safe...

of course it matters, but not for every job.
im sure common sense can be used.
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: RescueHazmat on January 05, 2008, 05:43:40 PM
Ahhh but Mack, CFS issue those items.. If something happens its not going to be *your* arse!..
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: Evac on January 08, 2008, 11:38:23 AM
Good idea but you won't want anyone to see you use it... Looks like it protrudes inside of the helmet area. Cop a blow to that side of the head and you will know about it.
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: boredmatrix on January 08, 2008, 01:46:08 PM
interesting concept - these helmet cams

so how does management feel about the use of it?  if someone with a helmet-cam turned up to a job I was managing they'd be promptly and politely asked to ensure it is turned off or preferably removed.

interesting video on youtube tho.....whoever was riding down the esplanade at seaford must have looked like a right tool with a fire helmet riding a pushbike!! :evil: :-D
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: CFS_Firey on January 08, 2008, 01:52:35 PM
whoever was riding down the esplanade at seaford must have looked like a right tool with a fire helmet riding a pushbike!! :evil: :-D

Are you sure it's not a motorbike?
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: mack on January 08, 2008, 03:45:29 PM
whoever was riding down the esplanade at seaford must have looked like a right tool with a fire helmet riding a pushbike!! :evil: :-D

Are you sure it's not a motorbike?

or even a bright green scooter?   :wink:
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: 6739264 on January 08, 2008, 03:48:00 PM
whoever was riding down the esplanade at seaford must have looked like a right tool with a fire helmet riding a pushbike!! :evil: :-D

Are you sure it's not a motorbike?

or even a bright green scooter?   :wink:

Bright green? Try pink, with Purple LED's down the side. :wink:
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: mack on January 08, 2008, 03:48:14 PM
so how does management feel about the use of it?  if someone with a helmet-cam turned up to a job I was managing they'd be promptly and politely asked to ensure it is turned off or preferably removed.


there will always be moments when it may not be appropriate to be recording... im sure most people are responsible neough to realise this. since there has never been any stop to still photography at incidents (and in fact in some places it is encouraged), im sure that it wouldnt be a problem.
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: Jono on January 08, 2008, 04:19:03 PM
Good idea but you won't want anyone to see you use it... Looks like it protrudes inside of the helmet area. Cop a blow to that side of the head and you will know about it.

Yeah this is a problem, I gave the clip to a friend yesterday to re-weld today to move it further out to the brim.

whoever was riding down the esplanade at seaford must have looked like a right tool with a fire helmet riding a pushbike!! :evil: :-D

Are you sure it's not a motorbike?

or even a bright green scooter?   :wink:

No, it was my pushbike, the scoots has a flat :(
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: Jono on January 08, 2008, 04:21:44 PM
interesting concept - these helmet cams

so how does management feel about the use of it?  if someone with a helmet-cam turned up to a job I was managing they'd be promptly and politely asked to ensure it is turned off or preferably removed.


Whys that? Would you have the power to enforce that? Don't take that the wrong way I'm just interested.
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: RescueHazmat on January 08, 2008, 04:29:54 PM
IC/Manager would definately have that power mate. - Some people might not like to be filmed (meaning members of other agencies).. It could be quite intimidating / 'off putting' to try and do your job with a camera lens in your face..
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: mack on January 08, 2008, 04:51:27 PM
IC/Manager would definately have that power mate. - Some people might not like to be filmed (meaning members of other agencies).. It could be quite intimidating / 'off putting' to try and do your job with a camera lens in your face..


well.... actually, an ambo (of any rank) would not have the power to 'order' you (a firefighter) to turn it off, or remove it. Im sure if they asked nicely though ;)
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: bajdas on January 08, 2008, 05:18:19 PM
IC/Manager would definately have that power mate. - Some people might not like to be filmed (meaning members of other agencies).. It could be quite intimidating / 'off putting' to try and do your job with a camera lens in your face..
well.... actually, an ambo (of any rank) would not have the power to 'order' you (a firefighter) to turn it off, or remove it. Im sure if they asked nicely though ;)

Would be interesting if you filmed a SAPOL STAR squad officer at a land search tasking...from my limited knowledge they do not like their faces in pictures.
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: rescue5271 on January 08, 2008, 05:33:55 PM
No diff,from anyone taking a photo,can't see a problem as long as you are doing your job and that you respect when asked to turn it off....
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: mack on January 08, 2008, 05:40:23 PM
IC/Manager would definately have that power mate. - Some people might not like to be filmed (meaning members of other agencies).. It could be quite intimidating / 'off putting' to try and do your job with a camera lens in your face..
well.... actually, an ambo (of any rank) would not have the power to 'order' you (a firefighter) to turn it off, or remove it. Im sure if they asked nicely though ;)

Would be interesting if you filmed a SAPOL STAR squad officer at a land search tasking...from my limited knowledge they do not like their faces in pictures.

mmm well since there the control agency for that task, i would suggest as they call the shots, they could tell you to turn it off...

i think people are missing the point though, my purchase of this camera is with the intent of using it at fire scenes.... not for getting close & personal with casualties at VAs, etc
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: 6739264 on January 08, 2008, 05:46:44 PM
So you're going to take it off for every job but fires?
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: mack on January 08, 2008, 06:01:35 PM
well considering it just clips into a bracket, i cant see a problem with that...


but why would you have to take it off? surely just not turning it on is enough ;)
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: bittenyakka on January 08, 2008, 07:46:20 PM
i'm sure most of the footage you get will be edited ut as it might be only 10 min worth watching after a house fire?
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: Benji on January 08, 2008, 08:21:52 PM
Maybe SAFECOM should issue these cameras to all IMT and other key personal. That way there is a video trail of who did what when why.. just need to store the memory cards somewhere.
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: OldOne on January 08, 2008, 09:11:15 PM
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i'm sure most of the footage you get will be edited ut as it might be only 10 min worth watching after a house fire?

Just remember, any person with a camera could be treated as a Media representative and can be excluded or restricted at any incident as the IC sees fit.    How tempting is it to get close up footage of media restricted areas and then be offered a payment to supply it to a media organisation.   Personally the cameraman is treated as a freelance operator and can have the camera and himself removed especially if the fire or VA becomes a crime scene.

Just because the camera is small and less obvious it still produces the same "News" footage results for the media.

OldOne.

Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: RescueHazmat on January 08, 2008, 09:31:25 PM
IC/Manager would definately have that power mate. - Some people might not like to be filmed (meaning members of other agencies).. It could be quite intimidating / 'off putting' to try and do your job with a camera lens in your face..


well.... actually, an ambo (of any rank) would not have the power to 'order' you (a firefighter) to turn it off, or remove it. Im sure if they asked nicely though ;)

IC was for Incident controller.. However, even if it was say an Assist ambulance call and a SAAS manager or even paramedic/Ambo was in charge, if they asked you to turn it off, I would do so. :)

-And not missing the point, was answering a genuine question someone raised in regards too whether or not they could be asked to turn off their camera.  :wink:
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: bittenyakka on January 08, 2008, 09:41:45 PM
just use common sense if some one doens't want it filmed ok and think about what fotage you publish.

if i take fotage of a fire that does turn ut t be a crime scene i may not publically show it but it might be usful for training or just a reccord of yur FF career.
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: mack on January 08, 2008, 09:52:12 PM
OldOne - not tempting at all mate, when you consider the possible repurcussions ;) when your talking about an incident that may be 'restricted from the media' then of course that is where you use common sense, and take the camera off your helmet...


we're all forgetting, that we are all (well most) sensible people im sure... people know what is the right & wrong thing to do in regards to recording of incidents, and publishing of material.

Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: bittenyakka on January 08, 2008, 09:54:04 PM
how many incedents hve people been to that are off limits to the media for non sftey reasons?
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: RescueHazmat on January 08, 2008, 10:04:46 PM
Every incident is unsafe, just the varying level of which often differs.. - Basic examples, structure fires where media aren't allowed in the structure to film after the incident, HAZMAT incidents where media aren't allowed within a certain proximity, drug/clan lab incidents. - Quite a few mate.
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: boredmatrix on January 09, 2008, 01:01:56 AM
IC/Manager would definately have that power mate. - Some people might not like to be filmed (meaning members of other agencies).. It could be quite intimidating / 'off putting' to try and do your job with a camera lens in your face..
well.... actually, an ambo (of any rank) would not have the power to 'order' you (a firefighter) to turn it off, or remove it. Im sure if they asked nicely though ;)


Would be interesting if you filmed a SAPOL STAR squad officer at a land search tasking...from my limited knowledge they do not like their faces in pictures.

mmm well since there the control agency for that task, i would suggest as they call the shots, they could tell you to turn it off...

i think people are missing the point though, my purchase of this camera is with the intent of using it at fire scenes.... not for getting close & personal with casualties at VAs, etc


whilst everyones intentions here may be pure in nature - how do you differentiate between someone who uses the footage for interest Vs profit (ie: selling to the media) - and if the cameras become commonplace, complacency will set in and there will be people who invariably do take advantage of it!

as for paramedics asking you to take it off - I'd look at you and think "what a [email protected]" and keep working!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :-D

but seriously - what does having a record of some fire or other job achieve?  unless you're some sick character with a sexual fetish for fires (and prob lit half of the ones you turn out to) - I can't see any point in it for anyone!
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: chook on January 09, 2008, 05:56:49 AM
With all of the issues going on within the emergency services, the biggest point of discussion you guys can come up with is "Helmet Cam"?
Remember another thread about Emergency vehicle driving & the video that ended up on YouTube?
An incident that could have been handled internally - ended up all over the place & the guys facing official action!
And yes the coordination agency (SAPOL) could tell you to turn it off & if I saw someone with a Helmet Camera at an incident that I was OIC at I would be asking for its removal - the way I see it there is just no need (I get annoyed with all of the "unofficial" photos people take with their mobiles :x). Now if you guys want to re-live your "glory moments" at fires, so be it! But really is it that nessesary?
cheers
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: littlejohn on January 09, 2008, 06:56:03 AM
. . . (I get annoyed with all of the "unofficial" photos people take with their mobiles :x)

Why is that Chook? Are you talking about general pics of incidents that brigades keep for training/records, or something else??

Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: bittenyakka on January 09, 2008, 07:24:42 AM
hold on I know sufers who take pictures and footage of them surfing and downhill mountain bikeriders who tape caeras on their helmets because they like doing their hobbie/sport. so how is us taking footage/pics of jobs a bad thing?


and chook do you want all the pics to be staged shots with clean ppe compleatyly missing the more private side of us?
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: OldOne on January 09, 2008, 07:51:45 AM
hold on I know sufers who take pictures and footage of them surfing and downhill mountain bikeriders who tape caeras on their helmets because they like doing their hobbie/sport. so how is us taking footage/pics of jobs a bad thing?


and chook do you want all the pics to be staged shots with clean ppe compleatyly missing the more private side of us?


No problems with people taking pictures of them self doing fun things,  but taking pictures of OTHER people in situations where they may not want to be photographed, is an other story.   Any recognisable close up of the public you must have their names and permission before it can be distributed, even for training purposes of new members.

I take hundreds of photos of SES involvements and training BUT each photo is examined closely for PPE and other possible picture problems before they are released for general distribution and as training aids.  This is very hard to do with fast moving video but each video frame can be taken out of context and used as a photo to be published.  Remember electronic photos and video can be distributed widely in a very short time.

OldOne.

Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: chook on January 09, 2008, 08:56:29 AM
hold on I know sufers who take pictures and footage of them surfing and downhill mountain bikeriders who tape caeras on their helmets because they like doing their hobbie/sport. so how is us taking footage/pics of jobs a bad thing?


and chook do you want all the pics to be staged shots with clean ppe compleatyly missing the more private side of us?

Depends what it is, what I'm talking about is the shots at MVA's that are taken and sent to who knows where. If you look on the Commercial media web sites they actually ask for shots / News stories.
And I'm sure at least some of us have had the "please explain" from state HQ when the media release images to the public of Emergency Services personnel not quite wearing the correct PPE, using unusual methods etc. I know I have  :-(.
So now you have more video/ film being taken, transmitted to who knows where & as OldOne said in what context.
Yes we do take photos of incidents for the unit (not that many of MVA's - unless its unusual) & yes I agree you need the private shots of brigades/ units doing stuff. But I stand by my initial comments, I certainly don't want people filming the team in action (at very close range)without controls in place - I wouldn't want to see/ hear myself on YouTube using that four letter word for example :wink:
cheers
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: CFS_Firey on January 09, 2008, 10:28:48 AM
If you think you're such a bad operator that you can't stand the thought of someone having video of you working, don't you think it's about time you tried to tidy up your act?

There are sections of the Adelaide-Crafers highway that are under constant surveillance from multiple fixed cameras.  Should we be requesting that TSA turn these off when we respond there?  And how about going to an alarm in a premises that has security cameras?

While I wouldn't want every incident I go to recorded, I can see huge benefits in training and record keeping.  There are very few videos of fire fighting used in CFS training, and most (if not all) of those videos are from interstate or overseas, and often come with the lecturer saying "We don't do it quite like this in the CFS, so ignore the way they approach that...".

As for people selling video to the media, if there are no privacy concerns, and the footage doesn't show anyone doing anything wrong, then how is it a bad thing?  We're community based emergency services, why shouldn't the community see what we do?
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: mack on January 09, 2008, 10:48:57 AM
well this thread certainly turned into a bit of a joke....  :roll:

same story with every thread on this board though... theres always someone willing to bring it down (myself included at times). I mean lets face it, this has veered away from intelligent discussion, to just plain dumb comments...

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unless you're some sick character with a sexual fetish for fires (and prob lit half of the ones you turn out to)

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Now if you guys want to re-live your "glory moments" at fires, so be it!

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How tempting is it to get close up footage of media restricted areas and then be offered a payment to supply it to a media organisation.


as stated before, use discretion, and the same rules in regards to registration plates/names/faces/permission that you apply to normal still cameras at incidents & training [and dont try to filtered me/us that still cameras arent in extremely wide use for incident photography]... and it could prove to be an invaluable training tool.

how many brigades have watched videos of black tuesday, canberra, etc for training? dead man zone? the "christmas tree video" etc etc etc.... some of them may be 'proffesional' videos, but they still use actual incident photography to demonstrate situations.
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: boredmatrix on January 09, 2008, 12:26:03 PM
well this thread certainly turned into a bit of a joke....  :roll:



seriously mack - lets get it in perspective.  If I turned up to work with a camera attached to any part of my body, I'd be told to take it off.  If a SAMFS or SAPOL member turned up to work with a camera attached to any part of their body - they'd be told to take it off.

.....and some of you CFS volunteers seem to have issues relating to not being taken seriously as professionals!!  turn it up!!



the biggest issue surrounding this topic is not so much the issue of actually using a camera as opposed to who controls the recorded footage!  if the footage of CFS intellectual property and operations is taken whilst in the "employ" (SIC) of SACFS - does not the footage then belong to the CFS?
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: Zippy on January 09, 2008, 12:32:36 PM
I would believe the people who are wanting to use these camera's only want to use them for internal brigade use for training purposes and debriefs of some sort.
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: rescue5271 on January 09, 2008, 12:42:12 PM
As a person who takes lots of photos I can tell you that you are allowed to take photos/video in/on/any place that is a public place/public access area.. Having said that you need to becareful of where you point and take the photo and who is in that photo....
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: mack on January 09, 2008, 12:52:41 PM

seriously mack - lets get it in perspective.  If I turned up to work with a camera attached to any part of my body, I'd be told to take it off.  If a SAMFS or SAPOL member turned up to work with a camera attached to any part of their body - they'd be told to take it off.

SAAS & SAPOL is a slightly differant situation in my opinion.... however i know of a couple of SAMFS empoloyees that do have these at work. And uses it for there own records of the incident.

the biggest issue surrounding this topic is not so much the issue of actually using a camera as opposed to who controls the recorded footage!  if the footage of CFS intellectual property and operations is taken whilst in the "employ" (SIC) of SACFS - does not the footage then belong to the CFS?

cant answer that one for you mate... but you only have to look at the "SACFS promotions unit" and the vol mag, to see them actively encouraging photography of incidents and training to be submitted... so i can only presume they back the concept.

but anyway we can both continue to have our own opinions on this, and lets "get it in perspective"... your looking at this from a SAAS point of view, where you are constantly in the face of casualties, up close and personal at every single incident... if you were recording this, or someone was standing there just recording you, then yes... id say there was a problem.

I think the discussion is probably dead, we can all bang on, on both sides of the fence on this one all day if we want too..

at the end of the day though, unless CFS put out information forbidding the use of cameras at incidents, im going to use it at fire incidents to get footage... for both our brigade records, and for use in training. and yes, ill use my own discretion as to when it is appropriate/innapropriate.


[my last input on the topic ;) ]
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: chook on January 09, 2008, 07:48:25 PM
Don't have to clean up my act :wink: Just don't like being filmed!
You all know my opinion so this is my last post on this too
cheers
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: F.B.R.T on January 09, 2008, 10:34:39 PM
I think "Zippy" has put in the most sensible post so far!
If the footage taken from a camera is being used for internal Fire Service use only,(e.g. training or record keeping) then really, where is the issue?

I don't agree with footage from incidents going on Youtube or being supplied to the media, UNLESS sanctioned by the Fire Service as public interest or whatever.

Also, if a member of another service has an issue and politely asks that they not be recorded, then turn it off!(no big deal really)
I know that most reasonable Emergency Service personnel I work with from other agencies wouldn't have an issue, as you can be very easily filmed at incidents by media agencies anyhow!

I wonder sometimes if those that have a big issue with being filmed, lack confidence in doing their job correctly or are worried about being seen in the wrong P.P.E. etc.
Do the right thing, and there won't be an issue, and if you make a stuff up then at least you have something to watch and learn from.(remember...TRAINING USE)

Cheers, Mat

 





Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: SA Firey on January 09, 2008, 11:01:29 PM
Any photos taken by a CFS Member are subject to CFS SOP 12.2 :wink:

Now unless your brigade allows you to take photos on your personal camera, you cant release it to a third party without CEO consent.
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: Jono on January 09, 2008, 11:07:51 PM
I would believe the people who are wanting to use these camera's only want to use them for internal brigade use for training purposes and debriefs of some sort.

Agreed.

well this thread certainly turned into a bit of a joke....  :roll:


.....and some of you CFS volunteers seem to have issues relating to not being taken seriously as professionals!!  turn it up!!


Dude, you've lost the plot.
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: boredmatrix on January 09, 2008, 11:13:24 PM
fair call re: use for training - as long as thats what happens with it.  At the end of the day - who can stop someone putting something on youtube??

we all know how it works with government agencies - no-one will have an issue with it until it gets used as evidence because someone dumps some pics or video into the public domain!  it only takes one disgruntled journalist to blow something out of context!  take Channel 7 for example - who up until 12 months ago had a massive vendetta against SAPOL - reporting anything and everything negative they could aim a camera at.

on that happy note - I leave my last post on this thread.......  

 - wanna look like a [email protected]? - attach a camera to your head and go to work!    :evil:

Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: Smokeydk on January 10, 2008, 07:48:58 AM

As stated every Brigade takes pics at sceens.after all if its stopped.then what would Promotions Unit Photo Gallery have to post :-D

Also stated..what is filmed is the main question...I for one wouldnt like to see closeups of MVAs..as other countrys view on TV News reports.

Common sence is the call of the day..use it for good or abuse it, its your call.
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: Evac on January 13, 2008, 01:33:46 PM
An interesting area. I used a voice recorder at any incidents i attended as a member of an IMT for my own personal Rs covering. I also took my own notes. I burnt the recording to a CD and filed it. The advise i was given with this was that i could use it for my own personal use, to make extra notes from etc, but it would not be admissable in court unless i specifically stated to a person whom i may interview or discuss plans with was informed of the fact the discussion was being recorded. It was interesting listening back to the incident and being able to review the decisions made and how i performed and how i could do better next time. So if this was the intention of a helmet cam i think it is a great idea if used appropriatley.
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: rescue5271 on January 14, 2008, 03:18:51 PM
So when are we going to see some action from this camera??
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: Jono on January 14, 2008, 04:36:08 PM
So when are we going to see some action from this camera??

When I make it to a job :p
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: 6739264 on January 15, 2008, 08:24:54 AM
So when are we going to see some action from this camera??

When I make it to a job :p

I'm not saying a thing :wink:
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: jaff on February 03, 2008, 12:18:43 AM
Well Jono ,were waiting -------,maybe some footage, as you drag a hapless victim to safety from a fully involved structure or maybe knockdown of a raging firefront or a stop call because the paid staff got there first, whatever wheres the footage !!


Cheers Jaff

Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: 6739264 on February 03, 2008, 08:21:37 AM
How about time lapse footage of the shrinking primary response area?
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: jaff on February 03, 2008, 08:44:24 AM
Ouch!! :-D
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: CFS_Firey on February 03, 2008, 08:24:42 PM
How about time lapse footage of the shrinking primary response area?

Isn't time lapse usually used for things that are happening slowly? :P
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: Zippy on February 03, 2008, 08:33:13 PM
Tick Tock   :evil:

nah guys... 696866845(keyboard bash guy) time to be fair mate.
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: jaff on February 17, 2008, 09:31:45 AM
Jono are you guys on strike? Has the camera broken already? Have you missed The Truck every time its rolled? Have you lost the instuction manual? ............
.......Where is the footage from this much talked about camera? :-D

Cheers Jaff
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: 6739264 on February 17, 2008, 10:12:49 AM
Something about Seafood not having much of a primary response area and not getting to any jobs before MFS may have *something* to do with it...

 :D
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: chook on February 17, 2008, 10:23:10 AM
You guys are so cruel :wink:
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: Katrina on February 17, 2008, 10:28:20 AM
Is there anyone else whose head we can strap it to?
Dying to see what some of the footage would look like at an actual incident with plenty of movement etc
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: 6739264 on February 17, 2008, 10:55:00 AM
Go look on Youtube Davi. There is plenty of vision from decent jobs that involve the beast. Probably going to be better than most of the jobs we get over here anyway :)
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: boredmatrix on February 17, 2008, 09:13:01 PM
IC/Manager would definately have that power mate. - Some people might not like to be filmed (meaning members of other agencies).. It could be quite intimidating / 'off putting' to try and do your job with a camera lens in your face..
well.... actually, an ambo (of any rank) would not have the power to 'order' you (a firefighter) to turn it off, or remove it. Im sure if they asked nicely though ;)

Would be interesting if you filmed a SAPOL STAR squad officer at a land search tasking...from my limited knowledge they do not like their faces in pictures.

no -an ambo couldn't legally tell you to turn it off, but if it got knocked and broken - I don't know if you'd have any recourse!!

as for starry's - probably same boat as the Spooks that were floating around when Mercury 05 was on! 
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: Jono on February 17, 2008, 10:15:47 PM
I have got footage, works really well. I have just been advised not make it publicly available on SA firefighter.

Pull ya head in numbers.
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: jaff on February 17, 2008, 11:43:33 PM
Film night at jono's wooohooo :-D
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: mack on February 18, 2008, 06:25:27 AM
I have got footage, works really well.

same here, has been used to good effect at a few jobs including Brown Hill creek.

after the amount of carry on from some people on here, its ammusing to see the interest in getting Jono to post footage online....
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: 6739264 on February 18, 2008, 09:42:20 AM
*hug* Jono, its ok champ.
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: Footy on February 18, 2008, 07:33:42 PM
so have you taken the camera on any extra curricula excursions yet??
haha, we definitley dont want those on SAFF...
lol
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: 6739264 on February 18, 2008, 07:39:25 PM
I'm sure the missus would have found him picture of sexual prowess with his CFS helmet on...
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: JC on February 19, 2008, 07:16:18 AM
Should have taken it to the BDO Jono.
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: Footy on February 19, 2008, 08:23:51 AM
that would have been hilarious
walking around all day with a cfs helmet with a camera on
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: mack on February 19, 2008, 09:15:45 AM
haha chuck it on ya foam dome...
Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: Jono on February 19, 2008, 08:14:43 PM
HAHA

New helmet bracket now, modified it so it doesn't hit your head and sits out alot further. Also FireHelmetCam.com have a new clip available.

(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c208/jono_04/image03.jpg)

(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c208/jono_04/image02.jpg)

(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c208/jono_04/image01.jpg)

Title: Re: Helmet Camera
Post by: Hillsfirefighter on January 24, 2014, 01:37:10 PM
Bringing up this topic from years ago now. I've used a helmet camera for a while now. Only ever used it at rural jobs and the footage is an excellent training tool to see how to perform better at the next job. Also some of the things that are said in the heat of the moment are quite funny. It's also good to show new recruits what to expect at a rural job as training can only go so far. So I'm all for the use of helmet cameras as long as the operator clearly understands what is appropriate use of the footage.