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Title: A piece of history...
Post by: medevac on April 05, 2006, 01:21:28 PM
MFS Comms first time responding an SES unit...

MFS: RESPOND Vehicle Accident 05/04/06 12:40,LAURA SES,LAURA, MAP 0 A 0 ,,6KMS FROM LAURA ON THE CRYSTAL BROOK ROAD,75929*URGMSG:

also a new station code for those nutters out there...
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: strikeathird on April 05, 2006, 01:52:39 PM
So MFS are now dispatching all SES jobs ?
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Mike on April 05, 2006, 02:00:19 PM
Apparently so. All pager messages must be acknowledged within 4 minutes before the default unit is responded.
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: medevac on April 05, 2006, 02:56:33 PM
changed over at 1000 this morning.
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: 24P on April 05, 2006, 03:37:28 PM
See also they are using URGMSG on the end of some of their pages as well
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Mike on April 05, 2006, 03:58:46 PM
this has been happening for a while. The pagers are programed to react to those strings 'CFSRES and URGMSG' in the same way CFS pagers do.
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Alan (Big Al) on April 05, 2006, 04:01:04 PM
Wasn't there a big thing a while ago that fire and rescue (if SES) must be responded at the same time what will happen with this now??? if an accident occurs within a town where both services reside who gets the initial call MFS or CFS etc etc....

Does SOCC still do their radio work or is that MFS to????
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: medevac on April 05, 2006, 04:11:29 PM
SES response pages have always used the URGMSG... ahh thingo.

Re: radios
SOCC have nothing to do with SES anymore other than too ensure they are responded to VAs shud it be there rescue area...


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Wasn't there a big thing a while ago that fire and rescue (if SES) must be responded at the same time what will happen with this now??? if an accident occurs within a town where both services reside who gets the initial call MFS or CFS etc etc....
MundCFS; this has always been an issue, all its going to mean is that CFS comms (shud the call originally go to them) will have to contact MFS comms for rescue response, and MFS comms will have to contact CFS...

alreayd used to happen in areas such as Mt Gambier or Murray Bridge, where SES are rescue and MFS are fire... It will continue to be an issue as long as there is more than one commcen for fire and rescue dispatch.

but in the mean time we'll just worry about SAAS and SAPOL actually calling the fire/rescue service.. LOL.
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Camo on April 05, 2006, 05:39:46 PM
Will be interesting to see what happens with response to Road Crash in Mt Gambier....

Scary Stuff!

Camo
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: medevac on April 05, 2006, 06:24:06 PM
IMO it should be better for instances such as Murray Bridge/Mt Gambier, where occasionally people would "forget" to respond the other service... the system will now automatically dispatch both. there should be no excuse...
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: 24P on April 05, 2006, 07:38:52 PM
Have seen a few pages in the last hour where MFS have "dual responded" with SES. Poses the question is it a SES primary call or MFS.
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: medevac on April 05, 2006, 08:22:44 PM
its an SES primary job... ive been watching that too.

seems to me, and i could be wrong, that MFS are sending MFS pumpers with SES, getting there first and putting a stop back...
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: 24P on April 05, 2006, 08:28:41 PM
Did hear 409 say SES "not" required. I think the MFS might find out it will stretch resources very quickly.
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: medevac on April 05, 2006, 09:57:44 PM
mmm playing silly buggers.
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Firefrog on April 05, 2006, 10:13:32 PM
anyone suprised?
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: medevac on April 06, 2006, 08:52:45 AM
well at least SES will be able to kcik there asses... there getting paid to do the job, so they wont really be able to get away with doing it incorrectly..

the other thing i noticed, all these country unitis are going to be getting pretty crappy detail on there msg's.
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Mike on April 06, 2006, 09:56:38 AM
A little extra info to the my comments yesterday:

4 minutes to notify of reciept of page.
6 minutes to notify that unit will respond.\

more to follow.... just got some work to do...
dont you hate that!!!!!  :roll:
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: strikeathird on April 06, 2006, 11:35:24 AM
anyone suprised?

No..  I said ages ago...  What better way for MFS to get a larger budget if you do an additional 15,000 calls a year across the board !  Yet alone new chainsaws, equipment, members..

List goes on...
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: 24P on April 06, 2006, 12:41:10 PM
Does this mean if they get a tree down in CFS EMA areas we will get MFS CFS and SES responding?
As above post it seems a good way to get their call rate up.
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: strikeathird on April 06, 2006, 12:54:27 PM
1905914 12:09:48 06-04-06 6/04/2006 12:09:13 PM SHQ: Please note. For technical reasons all SES paging will have "CFSRES" replacing "URGMSG" for the interim. These responses are for SES. Please respond as previous. DCO
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: bajdas on April 06, 2006, 12:58:55 PM
This is quite a massive change for SES, so some issues will always occur during a change. This includes how the volunteer units respond, some equipment to be finished and paging interfaces.

From my perspective, the future looks gooooood though :-)
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: bajdas on April 06, 2006, 01:02:10 PM
Does this mean if they get a tree down in CFS EMA areas we will get MFS CFS and SES responding?
As above post it seems a good way to get their call rate up.

The answer will be NO.
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: medevac on April 06, 2006, 01:46:35 PM
Does this mean if they get a tree down in CFS EMA areas we will get MFS CFS and SES responding?
As above post it seems a good way to get their call rate up.

The answer will be NO.

firstly there is no mutual aid agreement between SES and MFS.

from my understanding... the only people going to trees down will be SES (at least that is how the system was meant to be set up) all this SES going with MFS is just incorrect response data at the moment. afrom what i have heard any tree downs, storm damage, flooding, animal rescue, patient lift that comes into MFS comms via 132500 or 000 "will" be dispatched to the local SES unit by themself... this is the way the CAD data is meant to be working, per the written agreement with MFS (or so i have been told)

so... it looks like some SES units are going to have to work on there response times dramatically for the instances of patient lifts and animal rescues to a degree.. and the rest are going to have to keep doing it in a timely manner.
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: strikeathird on April 06, 2006, 01:50:35 PM
Work on response times dramatically....  yea... just a bit !


Being required for P1 patient lift.. I can see alot of defaulting to the MFS / CFS response that only a week earlier would have been turned out any way...
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: nomex_nugget on April 06, 2006, 05:05:21 PM
It was interesting listening to the MFS last night, they seemed to be going to a lot more 'tree down' jobs than you would expect for a night like that. A cynic would suggest that they were responding to jobs themselves coming in on the 132500 number. It was also interesting to see them respond two SES units and two MFS pumps to a tree down on a house at Largs North, I can't remember the last time two mets pumps went to a tree on a house as an initial response.

I guess this all ties in with the fact that they are now putting chainsaws on all their pumpers.

For CFS brigades in dual response areas (EMA) I think more tree downs could be on the way, I guess at least when MFS are tied up cutting up trees all night we will then get a run to some of the other jobs in their areas.
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Alan (Big Al) on April 06, 2006, 05:08:28 PM
Always thought that MFS handled all or most of the patient lifts within the metro area??
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: PF_ on April 06, 2006, 05:15:44 PM
What is a patient lift?
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Alan (Big Al) on April 06, 2006, 05:27:11 PM
Down at Goolwa if the ambulance crew can't get another ambulance crew or the person is huge we get called as manpower to help them sometimes you might need 6-7 people to lift a person.

It could be as easy as just putting them on a spinal board and then out to an ambulance or a job we had on christmas day last year a person was too heavy for the spinal board and we had to cut a hole in the campervan to get them out etc etc...

But most of the time they are time critical jobs and require a quick response.
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: PF_ on April 06, 2006, 05:31:00 PM
Okay, thought it mighta been that.
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Stefan KIRKMOE on April 06, 2006, 06:54:34 PM
At the end of the day we should look at public safety! This means the closest, most appropriate, resource.... If SAMFS respond with an SES unit and continually stop call them because they can get there, remove the risk / deal with the incident before SES get there then so be it. I do not see why Metro SES units will take all "storm incidents, trees down, animal rescue's and patient lifts" in metro area. At the end of the day SAMFS are likely to arrive before SES anyway, back when I was in SOC, SAMFS and SES were responded at the same time to an incident with "life risk", MFS had dealt with the incident and put a stop back before SES had acknowledged the page.
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: strikeathird on April 06, 2006, 07:06:15 PM
At the end of the day we should look at public safety! This means the closest, most appropriate, resource.... If SAMFS respond with an SES unit and continually stop call them because they can get there, remove the risk / deal with the incident before SES get there then so be it. I do not see why Metro SES units will take all "storm incidents, trees down, animal rescue's and patient lifts" in metro area. At the end of the day SAMFS are likely to arrive before SES anyway, back when I was in SOC, SAMFS and SES were responded at the same time to an incident with "life risk", MFS had dealt with the incident and put a stop back before SES had acknowledged the page.

Amen..

And if SES don't like it... I guess they will have to improve on there response times..

If CFS volunteers can have a 4 min turnout.. Why cant the SES manage too ??  (Genuine Question)
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: bajdas on April 07, 2006, 09:38:19 AM
And if SES don't like it... I guess they will have to improve on there response times..

If CFS volunteers can have a 4 min turnout.. Why cant the SES manage too ??  (Genuine Question)

My thoughts are that many issues are being changed and resolved to get more professional response times. In the last twelve months many changes have happened in accordance with the 'Case for Change' plan and will continue to occur within SASES.

It is interesting that VMB staff are now researching different ways to have volunteers in the truck & on the road quickly in the metro area. Some units are making the grade, others are not.

The changes will take time, training and personally I expect a few volunteers might leave due to the changes. I left a metro SES rescue unit because I could not meet the training/response times required. Now I am with an operations control unit.

But as I have stated before, the future looks gooooood  :-D
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Mike on April 07, 2006, 10:03:24 AM


Amen..

And if SES don't like it... I guess they will have to improve on there response times..

If CFS volunteers can have a 4 min turnout.. Why cant the SES manage too ??  (Genuine Question)

Thats a very generalised comment..... i can name numerous times where the SES have beaten us out the shed.

I take it your refering more to the metro response side of things????



it was my understanding that the MFS response with SES was to be maintained for immediate life threat situations only... ie. MFS shouldnt be responding to trees unless that is part of the default process....
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: bajdas on April 07, 2006, 10:07:25 AM
Will be interesting to see what happens with response to Road Crash in Mt Gambier....

Scary Stuff!

Camo

MVA at Mt Gambier last night. From the paging website it looks like the new system worked well in responding SAAS, MFS, SES & CFS.

1908530 00:25:00 07-04-06 INFO:MTG: 07 Apr 00:23 MFS: RESPOND RCR 07/04/06 00:22,BAY RD,MT GAMBIER, MAP 0 0 0 ,,2 KM NORTH OF BELHAM HOTEL,74629 701*CFSRES:

1908527 00:24:15 07-04-06 INFO:MTG: 07 Apr 00:23 MFS: RESPOND RCR 07/04/06 00:22,BAY RD,MT GAMBIER, MAP 0 0 0 ,,2 KM NORTH OF BELHAM HOTEL,74629 701*CFSRES:

1905686 00:23:20 07-04-06 MFS: RESPOND RCR 07/04/06 00:22,BAY RD,MT GAMBIER, MAP 0 0 0 ,,2 KM NORTH OF BELHAM HOTEL,74629 701*CFSRES

1928012 00:23:07 07-04-06 MFS: RESPOND RCR 07/04/06 00:22,BAY RD,MT GAMBIER, MAP 0 0 0 ,,2 KM NORTH OF BELHAM HOTEL,74629 701*CFSRES:

1906658 00:23:06 07-04-06 MFS: RESPOND RCR 07/04/06 00:22,BAY RD,MT GAMBIER, MAP 0 0 0 ,,2 KM NORTH OF BELHAM HOTEL,74629 701*CFSRES:

1909260 00:19:15 07-04-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: MOORAK RESPOND MVA CAR V FENCE - BAY RD, MT GAMBIER - 2KM NORTH OF THE BELHAM HOTEL. < 7/04/2006 00:19:02

1909265 00:19:13 07-04-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: MOORAK RESPOND MVA CAR V FENCE - BAY RD, MT GAMBIER - 2KM NORTH OF THE BELHAM HOTEL. < 7/04/2006 00:19:02

1908547 00:15:02 07-04-06 MG181 Cat2 Bay Rd, Mount Gambier C174 F14
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: probie_boy on April 07, 2006, 10:49:37 AM
yeah that looks pretty clean and sharp.
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: strikeathird on April 07, 2006, 01:27:18 PM
Mike, referring to the many brigades (many EMA, however some not... some urban, some rural) who 99.9% of the tmie keep to the 4-6 min response times... Even to things like alarms etc...


Was more asking, if one band of vollies can manage, would it be that hard for the fellow service to improve response times....
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Mike on April 07, 2006, 01:32:49 PM
All good striker....
Everyone needs to pull up their socks occasionally  :-)
one would think its not that hard....
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: medevac on April 07, 2006, 09:03:58 PM
i have to say that many people on this forum seem ignorant as to the response times/procedures of ses units... maybe a bit more knowledge and a lot less bias would help.
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Benji on April 07, 2006, 11:36:01 PM
One big difference is the area members respond to the shed/unit/station/etc from.
CFS might pull in from a 2-3 Km area, while some SES units pull members from up to 20 Km away. I pass through 4 CFS areas before I get to my shed.
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Camo on April 08, 2006, 12:32:45 AM
Will be interesting to see what happens with response to Road Crash in Mt Gambier....

Scary Stuff!

Camo

MVA at Mt Gambier last night. From the paging website it looks like the new system worked well in responding SAAS, MFS, SES & CFS.

1908530 00:25:00 07-04-06 INFO:MTG: 07 Apr 00:23 MFS: RESPOND RCR 07/04/06 00:22,BAY RD,MT GAMBIER, MAP 0 0 0 ,,2 KM NORTH OF BELHAM HOTEL,74629 701*CFSRES:

1908527 00:24:15 07-04-06 INFO:MTG: 07 Apr 00:23 MFS: RESPOND RCR 07/04/06 00:22,BAY RD,MT GAMBIER, MAP 0 0 0 ,,2 KM NORTH OF BELHAM HOTEL,74629 701*CFSRES:

1905686 00:23:20 07-04-06 MFS: RESPOND RCR 07/04/06 00:22,BAY RD,MT GAMBIER, MAP 0 0 0 ,,2 KM NORTH OF BELHAM HOTEL,74629 701*CFSRES

1928012 00:23:07 07-04-06 MFS: RESPOND RCR 07/04/06 00:22,BAY RD,MT GAMBIER, MAP 0 0 0 ,,2 KM NORTH OF BELHAM HOTEL,74629 701*CFSRES:

1906658 00:23:06 07-04-06 MFS: RESPOND RCR 07/04/06 00:22,BAY RD,MT GAMBIER, MAP 0 0 0 ,,2 KM NORTH OF BELHAM HOTEL,74629 701*CFSRES:

1909260 00:19:15 07-04-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: MOORAK RESPOND MVA CAR V FENCE - BAY RD, MT GAMBIER - 2KM NORTH OF THE BELHAM HOTEL. < 7/04/2006 00:19:02

1909265 00:19:13 07-04-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: MOORAK RESPOND MVA CAR V FENCE - BAY RD, MT GAMBIER - 2KM NORTH OF THE BELHAM HOTEL. < 7/04/2006 00:19:02

1908547 00:15:02 07-04-06 MG181 Cat2 Bay Rd, Mount Gambier C174 F14

Yes quite well except they sent the MFS 20km out of town.  But you get that.

Camo
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: medevac on April 08, 2006, 01:00:24 AM
yeah... excellent to see that MFS and SES are getting paged at exactly the same time tho...
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: rescue5271 on April 08, 2006, 07:08:43 AM
If you look at most of the mount pages they get great turn out times but as far as I know there have been no real problems with the new system.and nice to see that all service's are getting paged at once at last........bring on CFS CAD...................
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: oz fire on April 19, 2006, 10:26:03 AM
One big difference is the area members respond to the shed/unit/station/etc from.
CFS might pull in from a 2-3 Km area, while some SES units pull members from up to 20 Km away. I pass through 4 CFS areas before I get to my shed.
\

That is the difference that people forget - most CFS brigades (Urban and township) have a response time and look for members to aid them in meeting that - however we also need to look at rural areas, where CFS must draw its crews from far and wide to crew a truck - then we also can't make the 4 - 6 minutes - same as SES who draw their crews from far and wide!!!!!!

On an aside - watch the pager site and then monitor the radio - CFS brigades may confirm within 4 - 6, but how many are actually on the road, everytime within that 4 - 6 minutes ...............
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: medevac on April 19, 2006, 05:47:26 PM
If you look at most of the mount pages they get great turn out times but as far as I know there have been no real problems with the new system.and nice to see that all service's are getting paged at once at last........bring on CFS CAD...................

may have been a better system if CFS SOCC were still able to page SES units, it looks like every time that CFS and SES role to a rescue together there is a 3-4 minute delay in one or the other being paged...
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: rescue5271 on April 19, 2006, 08:36:01 PM
There has been a delay in service's paging each other for sometime,time someone looked into it a little better and get to the bottom of it once and for all before its to late............................
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Alan (Big Al) on April 20, 2006, 12:12:37 AM
Honestly the bulk of the MVA's that SES attend are in country areas where they respond with CFS, and there was a huge stink a while back about differing times that CFS/SES were responded to MVA's and when CFS SOCC took over SES paging problem was solved but now were back to square one again???

Don't know what happened between SES and CFS but it's kind of silly that this issue has gone backwards.
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: bajdas on April 20, 2006, 09:56:33 AM
...Don't know what happened between SES and CFS but it's kind of silly that this issue has gone backwards...

Will be moved forward when the SAFECOM SACAD system is in place. The revamp of CFS & SES State Control Centres is a step in the overall direction.
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: oz fire on April 20, 2006, 10:58:32 AM
SAFECOM SACAD - yep ........ one day ......it will occur ...... but I ain't holding my breath ...... having been hearing about a common facility now for 10 years! :roll:

But it will happen - for the betterment of us all :-D
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: medevac on April 21, 2006, 09:22:18 AM
Don't know what happened between SES and CFS but it's kind of silly that this issue has gone backwards.

i dont believe anythign happened.... SES just decided to move to a iff. commcenn.
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Mike on April 21, 2006, 11:55:08 AM
14 minutes between CFS and MFS(SES) response.
A bit of refinement required one would think....

Quote
1928011 14:48:20 20-04-06 MFS: RESPOND RCR 20/04/06 14:47,WELLINGTON RD,LANGHORNE CREEK, MAP 000 0 0 ,,,73329*CFSRES:

1908083 14:48:18 20-04-06 MFS: RESPOND RCR 20/04/06 14:47,WELLINGTON RD,LANGHORNE CREEK, MAP 000 0 0 ,,,73329*CFSRES:

1909029 14:47:18 20-04-06 SHQ: WOODCHESTER **STOP CALL** NOT REQUIRED, FROM STRATH GO > 20/04/2006 14:47:05

1909036 14:47:16 20-04-06 SHQ: WOODCHESTER **STOP CALL** NOT REQUIRED, FROM STRATH GO > 20/04/2006 14:47:05

1909029 14:39:03 20-04-06 SHQ: CFSRES STRATHALBYN AND WOODCHECTER RESPOND MVA, WOODCHESTER RD, LANGHORNE CREEK - 9 KMS FROM LANGHORNE CREEK - RCR OPERATORS FROM STRATH > 20/04/2006 14:38:49

1909036 14:39:01 20-04-06 SHQ: CFSRES STRATHALBYN AND WOODCHECTER RESPOND MVA, WOODCHESTER RD, LANGHORNE CREEK - 9 KMS FROM LANGHORNE CREEK - RCR OPERATORS FROM STRATH > 20/04/2006 14:38:49

1909029 14:38:57 20-04-06 SHQ: CFSRES STRATHALBYN AND WOODCHECTER RESPOND MVA, WOODCHESTER RD, LANGHORNE CREEK - 9 KMS FROM LANGHORNE CREEK - RCR OPERATORS FROM STRATH > 20/04/2006 14:38:45

1909035 14:38:56 20-04-06 SHQ: CFSRES STRATHALBYN AND WOODCHECTER RESPOND MVA, WOODCHESTER RD, LANGHORNE CREEK - 9 KMS FROM LANGHORNE CREEK - RCR OPERATORS FROM STRATH > 20/04/2006 14:38:45

1909029 14:38:31 20-04-06 LANG: RESPOND LANGHORNE CREEK STATION SIREN MANUALLY ACTIVATED CFSRES

1909033 14:38:29 20-04-06 LANG: RESPOND LANGHORNE CREEK STATION SIREN MANUALLY ACTIVATED CFSRES


1909029 14:34:16 20-04-06 SHQ: CFSRES LANGHORNE CREEK RESPOND MVA, WOODCHESTER RD, LANGHORNE CREEK - UNKNOWN DISTANCE FROM LANGHORNE CREEK > 20/04/2006 14:34:02

1909033 14:34:14 20-04-06 SHQ: CFSRES LANGHORNE CREEK RESPOND MVA, WOODCHESTER RD, LANGHORNE CREEK - UNKNOWN DISTANCE FROM LANGHORNE CREEK > 20/04/2006 14:34:02

Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: medevac on April 21, 2006, 12:21:26 PM
hmmm one has to wonder what was going on there... considering strath ses have a policy where they ask the cfs to provide RCR operators should they be required... but strath CFS being responded for rcr operators before the rescue has even been paged???? strange strange....
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Camo on April 21, 2006, 12:52:49 PM
both got sent to different addresses too.

Camo
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Mike on April 21, 2006, 12:59:13 PM
The addresses would be for:

Langhorne Creek
Woodchester
Strath Operations
Strath CFS
Strath SES
SES Central Region
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: medevac on April 21, 2006, 02:00:11 PM
i think camo was pointing out that SES were on there way to wellington rd, langhorne creek, whereas CFS were going to woodchester rd,,,
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Mike on April 21, 2006, 02:04:18 PM
Ahhh...... didnt notice that!  :roll: doh

mind you, we all have roads that carry multiple names. Depends which end of the road you live on ;)
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: medevac on April 21, 2006, 02:52:27 PM
HAH... true
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Alan (Big Al) on April 21, 2006, 03:26:12 PM
Stath CFS went to an MVA on the weekend by themselves with no SES response, i believe they do carry "Heavy" RCR equip.  as well as SES???
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: medevac on April 21, 2006, 03:46:06 PM
mmm yeah i noticed that one too mundcfs... im not sure if strath cfs have any rescue gear or not, however they do have rescue operators... its beside the point though, they are not a rescue resource per the directory.
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Alan (Big Al) on April 21, 2006, 03:48:53 PM
Yeah i dunno either medevac i do know they have gear (really old lukas) but when the split happened down there and members became scarce strath started getting RCR operators but maybe an amendment has been made to the book, who knows whats going on, as long as the resources are responded I suppose???? :|
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: rescue5271 on April 21, 2006, 04:21:22 PM
Strath 24P does have RCR gear as per the cfs promo site....
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Mike on April 26, 2006, 08:58:16 AM
The delay in response to my previous post was apparently caused by a 'oops' in the CAD database. Apparently there was no response listed for that particular road, hence no rescue was responded. The SES response came directly from the controller.

The CFS do carry a really really really old set of lucas RCR gear, however it was provided to them on the understanding it was only to be used for forced entry into buildings 9side bonus was to maintain RCR). Apparently it is NOT to be used at RCR unless the AMBO's say "we want out NOW!" and the rescue resource is known to be some time away. or there are multiple entrapments where it can be used, but this is all done under the direction of the SES. Officially they're not an RCR brigade, but mainain operators through negotiations with the powers that be.
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: medevac on April 26, 2006, 09:35:24 AM
The delay in response to my previous post was apparently caused by a 'oops' in the CAD database. Apparently there was no response listed for that particular road, hence no rescue was responded. The SES response came directly from the controller.

but surely after responding CFS socc would have contacted MFS and said "we want blah..." and sorted it then and there... but surely im stirring shite?
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Mike on April 26, 2006, 09:39:22 AM
well not such a silly idea..... but wasnt there so who knows!
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Alan (Big Al) on April 26, 2006, 10:38:43 AM
So starth gets the gear but technically they can only use it to force entry to buildings :? I've never seen it used that way before but hey it's possible.

I'd heard that same story as well mike that it's only to be used in extreme circumstances, is that just because of the lack of members at the ses unit??
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Mike on April 26, 2006, 12:04:45 PM
as far as i know, its mostly been political.....
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: PF_ on April 26, 2006, 12:11:34 PM
Just wondering out loud, if a non RCR brigade member wants to do the RCR course could they just join the SES and then get it done or doesnt it work that way?
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Mike on April 26, 2006, 12:21:18 PM
provided your in their response area, and your prepared to do the basic courses then yes..... theres no law saying you cant be in both services!
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Mike on April 26, 2006, 12:23:06 PM
And they are a RCR unit of course...
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: medevac on April 26, 2006, 01:41:56 PM
you wouldnt then be able to pick up the tools as a CFS member tho' the SES course isnt recognised byCFS (or so im led to believe)....

theres nothing stopping you from becoming a member of multiple se5rvices, but i think they might get a bit peeved and kick ya out if you are abusing ti just to obtain training, LOL... have thought about it myself.
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Mike on April 26, 2006, 01:45:58 PM
The SES RCR course should be delivered at national standard in the very near future.... (Im talking in a couple of weeks, if not already)

Either way gentlemen, i think we've dragged this thead off topic for long enough ;) my bad ;) maybe we should look at starting a different thread.....
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: medevac on April 26, 2006, 03:36:40 PM
PHHHT... doesnt bother me  :roll:
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: PF_ on April 26, 2006, 03:39:04 PM
you wouldnt then be able to pick up the tools as a CFS member tho' the SES course isnt recognised byCFS (or so im led to believe)....


Not being in a RCR brigade I'd never need or have the chance to pick them up.
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: medevac on April 26, 2006, 04:33:19 PM
not much point at all then mate... just wait till ya get into Mets...
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: rescue5271 on April 26, 2006, 04:35:00 PM
May be CFS should train SES???? and tell me where does it say that you have to be in a RCR brigade to do the RCR course?????
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: PF_ on April 26, 2006, 04:37:26 PM
You dont have to be, but non RCR only get to do the course when theres a blue moon.

I wanted to do it as an advantage when I try for MFS, having courses under your belt cant hurt.  USeful info for the interview stage.


Be funny if I get into MFS though still being CFS.  RCR trained, HAZMAT, rescue and all sorts of other stuff you get trained for but never being able to use it for the CFS brigade. :lol:
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: bajdas on April 26, 2006, 05:03:14 PM
May be CFS should train SES???? and tell me where does it say that you have to be in a RCR brigade to do the RCR course?????

Personnally a course the same would be great, but I have seen the SES Training Resource Kit which requires that Basic Rescue and other tools courses to have already been completed.

Thus I would assume the pre-requisites (Basic Fire Fighter ??)for CFS are different, thus the courses not compatable.

Pity one of the services (MFS, CFS or SES) did not do a 'bridging type course' so that course pre-requisites are the same, thus RCR course would be the same.

Oh well, maybe opportunity missed....maybe an SES person picking up a hose would have created more of a storm....

"My thoughts only"
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: medevac on April 26, 2006, 05:45:49 PM
Be funny if I get into MFS though still being CFS.  RCR trained, HAZMAT, rescue and all sorts of other stuff you get trained for but never being able to use it for the CFS brigade. :lol:

HMMM but there is RPL between CFS & MFS... just not SES.
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: CFS_Firey on April 27, 2006, 03:41:28 PM
Back to the topic about SES responses being longer because members live further away; how does that excuse a long response time? Even if their members lived at the station, CFS could still get to an incident first, because of the distance SES has to travel to get there.
The only the SES could have similar response times to CFS is to have the an SES unit in every town with the CFS.
Personally, if I was the patient that required lifting, and had to wait an extra 15 minutes for the SES, when the fire station is just down the road, I'd be asking questions...
Shouldn't the closest resource be responded regardless of what service?
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: bajdas on April 27, 2006, 04:54:04 PM
Back to the topic about SES responses being longer because members live further away; how does that excuse a long response time? Even if their members lived at the station, CFS could still get to an incident first, because of the distance SES has to travel to get there.
The only the SES could have similar response times to CFS is to have the an SES unit in every town with the CFS.
Personally, if I was the patient that required lifting, and had to wait an extra 15 minutes for the SES, when the fire station is just down the road, I'd be asking questions...
Shouldn't the closest resource be responded regardless of what service?

I believe that is what is happening and personally I hope that is what will happen !!!  For example:-

13:42:07 27-04-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: MORGAN RESPOND PATIENT LIFT, RAILWAY TCE, MORGAN - ASSIST SAAS WITH LIFT FROM HOUSEBOAT CALLED THE MURRAY MIRANDA, 100M UPSTREAM FROM FERRY

01:16:56 27-04-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: PASKEVILLE RESPOND ASSIST SAAS WITH PATIENT LIFT. 74 RAILWAY TCE, PASKEVILLE. SAAS ON SCENE. < 27/04/2006 01:16:44

23:46:47 26-04-06 SHQ: *CFSRES: GOOLWA RESPOND ASSIST SAAS WITH PATIENT LIFT. UNIT 2 NO 13 BROOKING ST, GOOLWA. SAAS ON SCENE... < 26/04/2006 23:46:35
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: CFS_Firey on April 27, 2006, 06:26:58 PM
Good good :)
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Heavy Rescue on April 28, 2006, 01:48:12 PM
Well it might be working well in some areas but out here things aren't so smooth. It seems that when a road roller fell over the other day on top of a person the first and only response was of the SES who were about 20 km's away.

This might not seem strange until you realise that there was one CFS rescue brigade about 2 mins away, another about 5 minutes away and a third about 10 minutes away. None of those resourcs were responded until some 20 minutes after the initial SES response, unfortunately by the time we arrived the patient was DOA - and no SES on scene yet.

One really has to ask the question why the closest rescue (resource isn't being responded to rescue incidents ? Have the SES changed the MFS database and removed CFS from some rescue calls or was this simply a one of stuff up.  :-(
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: PF_ on April 28, 2006, 03:34:10 PM
Was this the incident at Lewiston?
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: rescue5271 on April 29, 2006, 07:41:36 AM
Did you guys follow up why it took so long for you to be paged with the region and socc??????if not why not.........
Title: Re: A piece of history...
Post by: Heavy Rescue on May 01, 2006, 11:55:36 AM
I believe it is being followed up. Hopefully the Workplace services investigation will also reveal the deficiency.