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General Discussion => SA Firefighter General => Topic started by: mack on February 24, 2008, 10:27:05 AM
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11:23:32 24-02-08 MFS: *CFSRES INC027 24/02/08 11:22,RESPOND RCR,BAROSSA VALLEY RD,ROWLAND FLAT MAP 0 0 0 TG096,500MTS SOUTH OF ROWLAND FLAT,NTPA19 LYND00
11:26:49 24-02-08 LYNDOCH STATION OPEN TO ATTEND RCR ROWLAND FLAT. JACQUE
11:29:27 24-02-08 LYNDOCH 14 RESPONDING TO RCR ROWLAND FLAT. JACQUE LYNDOCH STATION.
11:37:17 24-02-08 LYNDOCH 14 ON SCENE, 1SMALL CAR VS MOTOR BIKE, AT KRAFT CORNER, ROWLAND FLAT. 1 (ONE) INJURED PERSON JACQUE - LYNDOCH STATION.
well.... it makes me laugh every time. hang on is this the ammusing or interesting thread?
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this is beyond a joke surely???
11:58:34 24-02-08 Casualty has left the scene, Rd still close. rd to stay close until tow truck has removed vehicles involved. Lyndoch station
12:17:25 24-02-08 CAR AND BIKE BEING LOADED ONTO TOW TRUCK. ROAD TO OPEN IN APPROX 5 - 10 MINUTES. LYNDOCH
12:35:35 24-02-08 BAROSSA VALLEY HIGHWAYIS NOW OPEN. LYNDOCH 14 & 34 ARE RETURNING TO LYNDOCH STATION. JACQUE. - LYNDOCH STATION.24/02/2008 12:35:18 PM
12:41:52 24-02-08 LYNDOCH 14 & HAS RETURNED TO LYNDOCH STATION FROM RCR, ROWLAND FLAT. JACQUE. - LYNDOCH STATION.
12:42:59 24-02-08 LYNDOCH 34 HAS RETURNED TO LYNDOCH STATION FROM RCR, ROWLAND FLAT. JACQUE. - LYNDOCH STATION. 24/02/2008 12:42:42 PM
8 info messages about 1 incident seems excessive? Anyone from the group on here? is it some kind of group SOP? surely sending sitreps back on radio nad logging them is enough, then a simple message when the incident is completed or if there is essential information for crews/group...
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Thats just stupid, they do realise it costs, and you guys gave Happy valley a hard time, think this bets a single stop call message !!
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Time some group's and brigade's where made aware of the costing and also the fact you dont need to send so many filtered message's out about a job if the crew is not at the job why keep up dating unless you need more crew????
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Stop call page ok - this is just BS!
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Thats just stupid, they do realise it costs, and you guys gave Happy valley a hard time, think this bets a single stop call message !!
cost to send a page?
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Yes Footy we have to pay for the use of the GRN pagers every time we send out a message nothing is free.....
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I was watching those pages come through and couldn't believe it just kept going and going. Trying to think what they would do to me if I kept sending page after page through updating all of those who didn't attend an incident. The end result I would imagine would be more people wanting to turn their pagers off so that they didn't have to put up with all of this nonsence
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wow, thats absolutely ridiculous.
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Just think if they were updating you for an *actual* job. Bugger watching the news just watch the scanner.
"CFS: They are laynig out hose now"
"CFS: Lines are charged"
etc etc
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haha that would be hilarious
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I am part of the Barossa group that includes Lyndoch. I am not aware of any SOP detailing this amount of info needing to be sent out. I understand the only messages required are for extra crew, stop calls and the occasional update for large incidents. This last one aids in giving people an idea if they need to be going to the station when they finish work or if everything is under control.
It is protocol to advise GO's and DGO's of appliance returns.
We do notice it alot with Lyndoch thou, maybe they just enjoy the sounds of the pager to much :evil:
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JUST A REMINDER OF THE LYNDOCH CFS MANAGEMENT MEETING TONIGHT AT 19:30 HRS AT THE XXXXXXX RESIDENCE. THANKYOU XXXXXX XXXX XXX XXX. 3/03/2008 12:53:29 PM CFS Lyndoch Response
So.......can we expect regular paging messages on how the meeting is progressing?
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Suggest you look at what the job is before you start to pick on my Group and the circumstances behind it
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They are not the only brigade or group that does it,I guess in the end the group may say something when they get an account for all the messages going out....
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Suggest you look at what the job is before you start to pick on my Group and the circumstances behind it
single car versus a motorbike, one injury... not much of a job really.
worth noting for your interest Wilma, i did not start this as a seperate thread to bag your brigade, was merely posted in the interesting pager messages thread, moved by mods.
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Wilma, sorry to point this out but out of all of the services that use paging - yours is one of the few to give sitreps by pager.
Its the same as other units/ brigades sending "I'm not turning up" pages or "I'm going to be there in 30 minutes" or "I'm going to blah blah" Hasn't people heard of availability boards & SMS?
Now personally is it a big deal? - No
Does it cost the services more? - Yes
Is it necessary? - No thats what phones and debriefs are for.
Do I really give a toss? - No I'm not the one who looks unprofessional.
Not sure about your service but ours not only the unit gets our pager messages (I was surprised who does) & I would be very angry if I was in a meeting or conducting training with my pager going off every 5 minutes!
Anyway horses for courses (I'm sure thats not right :wink: )
cheers
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Wilma, no matter what circumstance surround *that* job, I also cannot see the need for so many info messages. (& would say the same comment in regards to any brigade or group, definately not *just* picking on yours)..
FYI - Those messages cost $$ everytime they are sent. .. - 1 minute between the two messages informing that each individual appliance had returned IS excessive.. One message advising both had returned would have been ample.
Could have had one message say *Stop call: Car vs M/Bike, highway now re-opened, appliances returned to station* ..
Constructive criticism.. Im sure if your pager beeps 7 times less for everyjob, surely some people will be happier?
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I agree with your points and it Sounds like we need to look in to it but try to teach an old dog new tricks see how we go :?
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but try to teach an old dog new tricks see how we go :?
I know what you mean.. :)
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Bring it up at a group meeting and see what they say when you say its going to cost the group more $$$$$$
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I think it costs CFS as a whole (SAFECOM), not the individual station or group budget.. - Anyone to confirm?
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I think it costs the SA government directly...is it Motorola who charge the government??
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Motorola make the gear. The network that is used is Telstra. Through some contract with SA Gov. Not sure of costs thoug, someone on this forum said 25c per page.
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Motorola make the gear. The network that is used is Telstra. Through some contract with SA Gov. Not sure of costs thoug, someone on this forum said 25c per page.
Ah yes Telstra...completely forgot about them :P
If its Telstra...no wonder SA government has no spare money for infrastructure :P
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Its 25 cents per pager message......but its not so much the paging but the fact that some members are not able to attend a call out due to work or family life so is it really worth while that brigade's do this kind of paging?? There is a life out there and sometimes you just cant go,I know if our group or brigade did this type of paging that some familys would be pissed off to the max not to mention if your at work and the filtered pager keeps going off for sitreps.....pagers are there to be used for emergency call outs and also to pass on information to members not to be used every time you are out and about.as for the old dogs well tell them to turn the radio or scanner on and hear what is going on...
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As Link is the provider, wouldn't they be the ones charging??
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I have mentioned this to several people in our brigade and these are the comments I got.
if I have not turned up for the job there is a reason, it is not because I am lazy I just can't get there and I really don't need to keep getting disturbed and it makes me want to turn the pager off and that means I might miss the next job.
I will string you up by your toes if you start to do paging like this,
work will probaby ask me to not wear my pager there as it is constantly going off when it is not needed. This is because sometimes I can not leave work but sometimes I can but there is no point if this is what is going to happen
Then a whole lot of comments that involved running me over with the fire truck if I started doing that
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Easy solution put it on vibrate , put it in your pocket and just :-o woohoo!
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There's better things to do in the radio room other than playing with Airsource every few minutes...surf the net?? ring up ya friends to pass the time?? heh
Keep the pagers just for Response paging, calling for more crew and the occasional information message ;)
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mmmmmm
righto...keep up those regular paged sitreps.....in fact - why don't all brigades start doing it for every job....the more the better - I think it's a great idea!!
'scuse me....I'm just off to top up my telstra shares....
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Its 25 cents per pager message...
who told you that? it's wrong. There is an overall fee paid for use of the GRN and it includes all services/facilities available, the cost is not charged individually per page sent or radio PTT etc. Perhaps what is being refered to (just a guess) is someone took an overall figure, divided by the number of pages sent and said that equates to Xc/page. It's like the RAA work out that a certain model of car costs $X per km to use, it's sort of right overall but not how you pay for it.
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Darius - does it matter? It costs, is filtered annoying for those who receive them and is not required. We used to get every warning issued in the state by mail drop & SMS. Thankfully that has stopped now.
Anyway its one of those "Who gives a filtered" subjects.
cheers
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Darius - does it matter? It costs
Um, no it doesn't... There is no cost associated with sending messages.
The cost is per pager registered on the network - the services pay an annual fee for each pager whether it receives any messages or not.
This is why CFS had a push on completing pager audits not so long ago so that all "missing" pagers were deregistered, reducing the overall cost.
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Paging regular sitreps would be a good idea. It keeps people knowing about what is happening. It means that people can go to the station to be a relief crew or whatever they need to do to help the guys out on the truck.
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Paging regular sitreps would be a good idea. It keeps people knowing about what is happening. It means that people can go to the station to be a relief crew or whatever they need to do to help the guys out on the truck.
What? How many times are extra people at the station needed, aside from major incidents? Good old Heysen group...
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yeah any more than 1 page is excessive
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Darius - does it matter? It costs
Um, no it doesn't... There is no cost associated with sending messages.
The cost is per pager registered on the network - the services pay an annual fee for each pager whether it receives any messages or not.
This is why CFS had a push on completing pager audits not so long ago so that all "missing" pagers were deregistered, reducing the overall cost.
Im not going to doubt you, but I have been told by a few sources of quite the opposite.. - Did there used to be a cost per message?.. I was told only last year that every page sent through link, sent to a CFS pager charged the CFS/SAFECOM.. ??
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I personally don't care what the blasted things cost to send but I can tell you now that if we kept that level of rediculous updating of a job as it happens we would have so many people turning of their pagers and then they aren't available if required. Surely there is some sort of regulation/ruling to this, I can understand if there has been a suggestion that relief crews might be required that an update of the situation to say that it is undercontrol and no relief will be required but truck leaving station, crew spraying foam/water, crew refilling with water, crew spraying again, crew leaving scene, crew back at station, crew tucked into bed. Where do we finish up??? Maybe everyone should have their own personal access and we can let everyone know every day if we are available, or if we are unavailable for a few hours then let them know again when we are back on being available
Okay I've raved on enough, I'm going to go and read a book and watch the cricket, too long a day, worked too hard and I'm hoping my *#% pager doesn't go off tonight
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All brigades that have Airsource on their computer have a dialup modem in the GRN Box.You page it dials out and yes it costs 25 cents everytime!!
Also acquaint yourself with Link's terms and conditions
1. The Service
Link Web messaging is a service provided by Link whereby paging messages can be sent to a Link pager or Digital Mobile Phone via the Internet (the "Service")
2. You acknowledge that:
(a) Link may disclose information about your transactions to the Link customer to whom your paging messages are sent ("Customer");
(b) the Customer will be liable for Link's fees for the cost of the paging message you send; and
(c) the Customer has provided to you the Customer's pager number or mobile number for use by you for transmitting messages via the Internet using Link's website.
:-P
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did the pager go off davi?
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No!!I had the best sleep out, didn't even here others leave in the middle of the night to go and cart grapes.
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Listen to everyone having a whinge......! :roll:
Had you considered that the person/people involved may be thinking that they are doing exactly the right thing. Perhaps the view is that the Group level want to know what is happening. There does not need to be an SOP or directive for a way of doing things to be normal.
If I was a DGO or GO in a group and was receiving too much information I would politely let the brigades know. If in this case no one in the group is complaining, what is the issue.
The only issue here is that you can read the messages on a web site and somehow tihnk the way you do business is much better than anothers way. Grow Up.
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What works for one brigade may be an absolute pain in the butt for another!!
I don't know what thought processes are for the brigades we are talking about BUT, it may be something that the members of those brigades actually want - and they may be quite happy to get that information.
I think it is unfair to assume that if you don't do it in your brigade then anyone that does something different, then it must be bad / wrong etc
Pip
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Either way, I definately wouldn't like it and am glad I don't have to put up with it.
Firefrog - First time you have commented on people having a whinge about anything, and this thread is only 2 pages!!
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I'm all for having a crack at the establishment (hierarchy) if things aren't right. But I see red when we criticise our peers.
Seems petty and tribal - I can't stand tribal thinking "My tribe does it like this so your tribe is wrong"