SA Firefighter
General Discussion => SAMFS => Topic started by: josh on January 12, 2008, 01:24:33 PM
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There has been some changes on the recruitment page of the SAMFS website.
It's saying that they are going to call for applications in the first quarter of 2008.
I wasn't going to apply this year, but I can't help it. Off to get the HR licence I guess :)
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anyone heard anything in relation to this?
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Details are you need a HR and possibly a family member already in the SAMFS Mmm are I being to rough :)
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I hear that applications open on Feb 9th and will remain open for two weeks only. PAT1 testing may start in early March.
Only a rumour of course, but my source is good.
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check the mfs website for updated details
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Details are you need a HR and possibly a family member already in the SAMFS Mmm are I being to rough :)
Only good if they're S/O or above. :-D
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isn't it a bit illegal to say you need a family member in already? when the MFS says it is an Equal opportunity employer?
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having a close family member, such as a dad etc, would be of benefit for the personality profile. being raised in a fire fighter house hold would mean that the influence on personality would be there and have the same values etc. clearly the personality profile is the area where we all get stuck. its not hard to get fit and stay fit and the maths/spelling is year 9 stuff.
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isn't it a bit illegal to say you need a family member in already? when the MFS says it is an Equal opportunity employer?
I think it was a joke.
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Details are on web site now
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how many of you on this forum going to apply?????
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Details are on web site now
Full-Time Firefighters
The South Australian Metropolitan Fire Service (MFS) will be accepting applications for full-time firefighter positions in the Adelaide metropolitan area and Port Pirie from 11 February 2008. Applications will only be accepted using the online application which will be available on this website from 9am, 11 February 2008. Applications will close at 5pm on 22 February 2008. Commencement rate as a recruit firefighter is currently $649.60 per week.
Following successful completion of the recruit training course, firefighters are paid at the fourth class firefighter classification which is currently $990.94 per week (this includes payment for shift penalties and two hours permanent overtime).
The following information is provided to give a general indication of entry standards and employment conditions.
The MFS is an equal opportunity employer and is committed to ensuring our workforce reflects the diversity of the community by encouraging men and women, including people from culturally diverse backgrounds and Aboriginals and Torres Strait Islanders, to apply for the position of Firefighter
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Info Page sent to a CFS Brigade: "Very good information suggests that there will be an advertisement for full time SAMFS firefighters in Saturdays Advertiser, with applications on-line as of the 11th Feb Any queries call *************"
would that very good information be this thread where it was posted yesterday???
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how many of you on this forum going to apply?
As many as who have HR licenses i guess :P
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@ Wicky
Ill give it another go. I was on the waiting list from last January intake. Just got my HR some $1400 later :(
@ bittenyakka yes it was a joke on my earlier post
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My current job is taking up a lot of my time, so i dont have the HR licence yet.
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Not sure how true this information is but MFS may be looking for up to 50 new firefighters this year?? info came via a MFS firefighter...
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@ Wicky
Ill give it another go. I was on the waiting list from last January intake. Just got my HR some $1400 later :(
lucky bugger cost me $2000. how many hours did it take you ?
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Wicky 12hrs in a tipper with a crash gear box so no restrictions :-) it included the test as well. Mind you the crash gear box made me work hard.
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are you guys going through Courtesy Driving School?
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are you guys going through Courtesy Driving School?
i went through SAPOT
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half way through HC licence at SAPOT as we speak.
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half way through HC licence at SAPOT as we speak.
HC or HR ??
Can people let me know their experiences in driving schools for HR, because I am interested in doing the course late this year for private purposes. Please PM me, thanks.
By the way, $1500 to $2000 is a lot of money for alicense you might not use. Will some of you use the license anyway, or will it sit in the cupboard if you do not make the MFS ??
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Get a licence upgrade done by CFS if your brigade does not have enough drivers....
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heavy combo for me, could help the inlaws drive grain trucks at harvest if not successfull at firie thing. costing me around 2500 all up
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Get a licence upgrade done by CFS if your brigade does not have enough drivers....
SES Unit I am with will not support volunteers upgrading licenses at this time. They have enough drivers for the single large vehicle (Field Command). This is understandable.
So I am going to do the course privately for my own purposes (after I complete motorbike license with 2nd RiderSafe course, completed Foundation Amateur radio licence that I am currently studing, some IT certificates for work, etc)
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Get a licence upgrade done by CFS if your brigade does not have enough drivers....
yeah but my brigade only has MR not HR I wonder if CFS could pay for MR and i cover the difference?
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Probably not unless you have a group vehicle that has a requirement for HR. I know it can be a pain in the arse to even get the MR if there are a number of qualified drivers in your brigade.
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By the way, $1500 to $2000 is a lot of money for license you might not use. Will some of you use the license anyway, or will it sit in the cupboard if you do not make the MFS ??
did mine for MFS pre requisite. will not use it for any other purpose
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I was struggling to find time for my HR licence. Once again EBAY saved the day. I can even drive a semi now as well because I took advantage of the "buy now" feature.
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I was struggling to find time for my HR licence. Once again EBAY saved the day. I can even drive a semi now as well because I took advantage of the "buy now" feature.
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Sarcasm Wicky, sarcasm. :wink:
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:-)
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so has anyone been invited to start testing yet?
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Beep Test this Friday
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beep test tuesday next week
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beep test thursday 6th march
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Tuesday for me too Best of luck for the recruitment process guys and girls
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completed the beep test today. :-)
good luck guys :wink:
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I went for my beep test friday, but due to heavy traffic getting to the city I got there like 5mins late and they wouldn't let me in. Wasn't happy considering I was out at a grass fire from 2300 till like 0600 so I thought I did a pretty good effort to get there at all.
Good luck to you all, unfortunately I now have to wait for the next intake next year :-(
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I have to ask why go to a volunteer job the night before a major career acceptance test?
Should have stayed home slept well got up early had a small breakfast then come into town early around 45 minutes to spare. Arrive at SAMFS early.
It's a shame you missed out on testing :|
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tough break fire rescue, they will use any methods possible to cut people from the process. tried to drop me for having a letter of attainment instead of a certificate. Can you plead your case or are they definite in their decision to not allow you to contest thew
PAT 1.
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are you a firie fire frog or were you trying out for the intake?
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No not trying out 8-)
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May be another intake later this year...
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Hey topjake, how did you go?
What time tuesday were you, i was at 0845.
Where did you hear that Uniden? I was under the impression that they had reverted back to their old system of cab ranking enough for the drill squads that they have allowed for the financial year.
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@ Gasman I was at 10:25 all good my end. Exams on the 17th. Also heard that 450 were accepted for PAT 1 but not sure if this is true. It was a figure spoken about from an Indian whisper so you know the story lol
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I went for my beep test friday, but due to heavy traffic getting to the city I got there like 5mins late and they wouldn't let me in. Wasn't happy considering I was out at a grass fire from 2300 till like 0600 so I thought I did a pretty good effort to get there at all.
Good luck to you all, unfortunately I now have to wait for the next intake next year :-(
thats why you leave early, just in case something happens. i left 2 hours before my test lucky i did i ran out of gas on the express way even though my gas meter said tank was half full. still got there 20 minutes before the test.
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I went for my beep test friday, but due to heavy traffic getting to the city I got there like 5mins late and they wouldn't let me in. Wasn't happy considering I was out at a grass fire from 2300 till like 0600 so I thought I did a pretty good effort to get there at all.
Good luck to you all, unfortunately I now have to wait for the next intake next year :-(
thats why you leave early, just in case something happens. i left 2 hours before my test lucky i did i ran out of gas on the express way even though my gas meter said tank was half full. still got there 20 minutes before the test.
Couldn't you just switch to petrol?
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I went for my beep test friday, but due to heavy traffic getting to the city I got there like 5mins late and they wouldn't let me in. Wasn't happy considering I was out at a grass fire from 2300 till like 0600 so I thought I did a pretty good effort to get there at all.
Good luck to you all, unfortunately I now have to wait for the next intake next year :-(
Thats a different situation to what I witnessed last year. I completed my PAT 1 and one person who was missing on the role call was late and ran in the third session after me. I guess for you Fire_Rescue it is sad that your dream has ended, but its good that SAMFS has set a hard line in their recruitment to be equal to all that apply.
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Thanx for all your reply's guys.
Yeah I tried to contest it and get another go but the board said no, so yeah unfortunately I now have to wait till the next intake.
As for not going to the grass fire the night before it's hard when at night we don't get alot of people show up and when its something serious like a large fire its hard to not go. Like if it was a major MVA I would have gone but if it was a minor like fixed alarm wouldnt have bothered.
Thanx again
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Thats a different situation to what I witnessed last year. I completed my PAT 1 and one person who was missing on the role call was late and ran in the third session after me. I guess for you Fire_Rescue it is sad that your dream has ended, but its good that SAMFS has set a hard line in their recruitment to be equal to all that apply.
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Ah i wouldnt quite say there intakes are fair if you are a english caucasen & male.
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Thanx for all your reply's guys.
Yeah I tried to contest it and get another go but the board said no, so yeah unfortunately I now have to wait till the next intake.
As for not going to the grass fire the night before it's hard when at night we don't get alot of people show up and when its something serious like a large fire its hard to not go. Like if it was a major MVA I would have gone but if it was a minor like fixed alarm wouldnt have bothered.
Thanx again
Fair enough :-) - Your priorities are for you to work out.... :-)
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Couldn't you just switch to petrol?
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petrol was also empty.
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Sorry to sound harsh mate but you were going to a part of a recruitment process for a job that you really want & you ran out of petrol & gas?
Not very good PPPPPP is it? (Prior Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance)
And you also signalled your volunteer work takes a higher priority than a potential paid one!
Most employers would have not given you a second glance (unless of course you have certain skills that others don't & even then not for a lower level position, think specialised middle or senior management).
At least next year you get another chance, so good luck & make sure the car is full :wink:
As I said it sounds harsh, but when you are starting at the bottom, they can afford to be choosy
cheers
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Sorry to sound harsh mate but you were going to a part of a recruitment process for a job that you really want & you ran out of petrol & gas?
Not very good PPPPPP is it? (Prior Preparation Prevents filtered Poor Performance)
And you also signalled your volunteer work takes a higher priority than a potential paid one!
Most employers would have not given you a second glance (unless of course you have certain skills that others don't & even then not for a lower level position, think specialised middle or senior management).
At least next year you get another chance, so good luck & make sure the car is full :wink:
As I said it sounds harsh, but when you are starting at the bottom, they can afford to be choosy
cheers
you have mixed up two different posts from two different people maybe you should read them properly.
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Apologies - thanks for pointing that out Wicky :oops:
So instead of one person not quite getting there for the future career but two?
It still stands, if you want it be prepared!
Either excuse isn't acceptable to any employer especially when there is such a large waiting list.
Again sorry for the error (it just doesn't read that way).
cheers
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Chook. From my reading - Wicky made the testing, Fire_rescue did not. :)
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One of our members went down last week for his interview and testing but when he got there he found out that he had not brought his updated first aid card so they would not allow him the right to come back this week with it... Mind you he had passed his medical and had all the other information and last time he did the shuttle run in correct time...This time around they are being very harsh and will not allow people to pop out and get something that they have forgotten or left in the car.....On the first day some 10 people did not show up at all for their interview....I always said MFS was the hardest service to join......
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Maybe they are just working on if you are not organised enough to get there on time and have absolutely everything that you require then maybe you are not the right person for the job. It is also a good way to cull a lot of people from what is a highly wanted position.
To be quite honest when you are interviewing/testing for positions and you have a lot of people applying you are looking for ways to cut people from the selection process to save you a lot of bother
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The HR department are very strict on policy this year as they have been in the past, as someone already said, they want 100% or you are not good enough.
I beleive the application form is another area where people get culled, just for the simplest of mistakes,. The lesson here is , be prepared and do all that is required and then some.
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Chook. From my reading - Wicky made the testing, Fire_rescue did not. :)
yes i made it to the beep test :-D
was just making a point that i went 2hrs early just in case something went wrong and it did. so i was prepared for it.
chook no worries :-D
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The HR department are very strict on policy this year as they have been in the past, as someone already said, they want 100% or you are not good enough.
I beleive the application form is another area where people get culled, just for the simplest of mistakes,. The lesson here is , be prepared and do all that is required and then some.
so true mike. 4 guys got culled at the PAT1 that i went to for not having the correct paper work if they had read the email properly it would not have happened. eg. drivers licence, 1 guy had a temporary one that expired last year. should have seen the look on his face when they told him he couldn't do the beep test. :cry: poor bugger.
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I dont know about not letting you go out to your car to get something, cause when I showed up a guy had left his licence in his car and they let him go get it and come back, which took at least 5mins.
I really think that it is a bit hard to get into, they are very strict which is good in some ways but in others they are prob losing some people that may be excellent for the job.
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What a joke I did my First Aid Course in December last year and are STILL waiting for the certificate :evil:
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That stopped you getting into SAMFS, or you did it while on shift with SAMFS?
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One of our members went down last week for his interview and testing but when he got there he found out that he had not brought his updated first aid card so they would not allow him the right to come back this week with it... Mind you he had passed his medical and had all the other information and last time he did the shuttle run in correct time...
have they changed something since last year?
you had to show your first aid, licence and computer skills proof before even starting the process at the shuttle run?
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Not sure by what is the problem if you pass and then find out you have the wrong first aid card,why cant you show it next week when you have to come back???
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Rules are set, and if people are really serious about it should be checking and then double checking they have everything perfect!..
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Its all about the little details. It may seem hard that they are knocking people off for those reasons, but as RescueHazmat said, it's not difficult to cross the T's and dot the I's.
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that is why so many people did not get passed the interview........always next year.....
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i applied but got an email saying my application was denied because I did not state i had microsoft word and outlook skills, yet I did year 12 IT... ah wells.
did you guys who got through do a basic computer course or just say you had knowledge of it?
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you need to show evidence of the computer skills. you can go to a few recruitment joints and ask to be tested. it costs very little and you get a certificate.
its a process where they look for any little reason to eliminate numbers, so if you havent crossed your t's and dotted your i's forget it
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has anyone got any silly things on their police record?
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Silly things???????
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police checks are funny things - some things cause problems that arent really an issue and other things gt through that really should be picked up and i'm guessing there are diferent types of checks for different organisations? I'm guessingthey would like to know if you've had a problm playing with matches in your past, not to sure how it work??? (and for any stickt beaks, my record is clear)
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21337, the information in the recruitment section of the SAMFS website is pretty obvious as to the proof needed of IT skills.
What evidence will you accept as basic skills in Microsoft Word 2000 ™ and Microsoft Outlook 2000 ™ or later versions?
The MFS will accept a certificate obtained from an employment agency or a registered training provider in basic skills in Microsoft Word 2000™ and Outlook 2000™ or a later version. Please note: Certificates obtained and accepted during the 2005 recruitment process will be accepted.
Katrina, most fire services are concerned about theft/dishonesty due to the position of trust that the Fire Brigade has in the community. Playing with matches is in fact a requirement :evil:
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Im sick of all the BS that has been going on with recruitment over the past 7 to 8 years in which I have been involved with. I have probably applied maybe 6 times I think and it basically all ends in some sort of BS.
I have passed everything 3 times but failed to secure full time employment.
last year I passed everything and was told I am on a 12 month list for next intake. This year I get all the emails saying I must now re apply... I wrote back stating my "waitlisting" is in the required 12 months so please explain. Was then told that the 12 months will be expired by the time intake STARTS recruit course. Just so happens that this is around 2 0r 3 weeks after my waitlist expires.
I agree totally with Jason....quote Ah i wouldnt quite say there intakes are fair if you are a english caucasen & male end quote
Special information sessions for females, special info sessions for Aboriginals and TS islanders.....more BS
SAMFS are certainly not equal opportunity employers.
I have to sometimes think "do I wish to be part of an organisation that cannot run a fair and unbiased intake instead of changing the rules every year to suit them".
SAMFS You Suck!
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Gee pyro that would really suck, especially after trying for the last like 8yrs.
I think the same about not really wanting to join an organisation like you have stated; but the only reason I want to join the MFS is cause I enjoy helping people when they are in need and they are just making too hard for the everyday person. It kinda makes me think twice about if I really wanna join.
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Pyro - huge amounts of pent up anger and frustration......coupled with a rapid ability to put pen to paper and write letters.....(or fingers to keys) - you should think about going for a job as a bus or train driver! :evil:
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Come on boredmatrix...surely there are guys that must have been disappointed and and felt "let down" with the MFS system over time. Just read a few of the previous posts.
I think PYRO is just stating what a lot of people who want to join the MFS think.
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yes- this may be the case - but given the huge amount of applicants SAMFS get - unless you've got an IQ of 130+, the cardio fitness of an olympic distance swimmer and the upper body strength of a water buffalo - your chances of being selected can be somewhat hampered!
plus- with all those applications...... I think that SAMFS can afford to be choosy!
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So how does that explain some of the knuckleheads that have got through recently?
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For an explanation , you need look no further than your local member of parliment,some are great and some are hopeless :wink:(Hi Carmel-Brad) how did they get the position? Sometimes even though they make all the right noises, when put in to that position, it goes to show, that intent doesnt always equate to action!!
Cheers Jaff
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SAMFS is very very easy to get into.
Providing that you are related to a firie already, happen to have played AFL or are a woman, or other minority group.
Good old 'positive' discrimination.
Although you have to wonder why a service that is screaming for employees, as they are facing huge retirements in the coming years, continues to be so hard on applicants. From what I can see, the SAMFS application process is the hardest in the country, and the physical aptitude test has more in common with FDNY than any Australian service.
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@ PYR01
I can understand some of your frustration on trying to get employment in SAMFS but you need to look at in a different way. How many jobs have you gone for and missed out by 2 or 3 in the list. I have missed out on numerous jobs by either 1 or 2 people but have secured employment with a great company. I too was on the cab rank system from the 2007 intake, I see it that I missed out by a few but I wont give up. As others are saying SAMFS have a variety to choose from and unfortunately we have not been selected.
Say to yourself "you have not missed out, but SAMFS has missed out on you this time" and keep on going.
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All applicants need to understand that many who apply fail to fit the basic requirements, ie Senior first aid, HR licence etc.
If your serious about joining then I would be fully prepared prior to any selection process comencing!
The SAMFS will be looking for a number of recruits this year, so keep trying. There are some who tried 10 times over a 10 year period, and finally cracked it on the next go, now there full time firies.
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Ever tried getting a full time position with CFS or SAAS. Applications have to be spot on or they go in the bin. Also seems to follow the old adage not what you know but who you know/are related to etc.
Of course its not easy when there are multiple applicants for a few positions.
Just keep trying or dont. Lifes full of disappointment.
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PRYO1
There are going to be many suitable applicants that will not get accepted. The facts are their are only a few positions and a lot of applicants. I too got into the cab rank last year and waited a year to hear I would have to do the whole process again. A friend of mine who IMHO would make a lot better firefighter then I would (a lot fitter,more mechanically minded etc) cannot get past the aptitude test. The SAMFS have to cull over 95% of the applicants. Can you suggest another way they could do that?
I am surprised that they have made a HR licence the minimum requirement, good for my application but from the Fire Service point they are reducing the number of applicants to choose from. Interstate you can go through the whole procedure and once you get accepted to the recruit course it is up to you to obtain your licence.
My suggestion would be for the fitness components rather then just have a minimun pass level also have a bonus level for people that are fitter then the minimun but maybe not go so well in the aptitude test ie beep test 9.6 to pass and level 11 earns you some bonus points.
PYRO1: don't give up if ur serious about getting in, don't blame others, we know it is frustrating just focus and try harder.
Goodluck
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All good points everyone. If you want to talk bonus points, how about the guys that have been in the retained ranks for a few years. Shouldnt this, in some way, help the person obtain full time employment. They are already employed by the SAMFS.
Oh and to the accountant of 25 years who made the last intake and struggled to ship a standpipe on many occasions, well done on passing the recruit course.
SAMFS You suck!!
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But it's still really simple, there is a whole lot of people trying to obtain a few jobs therefore the majority of people are not going to get a position. It's not like most people are getting through and only a few miss out. I can understand them wanting the bigger licence it is just one way to have less people to look through in the selection process, getting rid of that wont make it any easier to get into it will just make it harder as there we be hundreds more people then able to apply for the position.
Get used to it, it's hard to get into, it always has been and it always will be and it is amazing the stories that people can come up with to explain why they didn't get past a certain stage (instead of I stuffed up and didn't have what was required, I was late for the interview, I couldn't pass the test, I couldn't pass the fitness requirement etc)
Get over it, get on with living and try again next time if you feel like it but don't spend a whole year whinging about the reasons why, learn from it for the next time or move on to something else and accept that maybe it just isn't going to happen for you
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All good points everyone. If you want to talk bonus points, how about the guys that have been in the retained ranks for a few years. Shouldnt this, in some way, help the person obtain full time employment. They are already employed by the SAMFS.
Oh and to the accountant of 25 years who made the last intake and struggled to ship a standpipe on many occasions, well done on passing the recruit course.
SAMFS You suck!!
Pyro1, Its a dead set shame that there isnt more places for people , like yourself, people that are willing to assess the situation ,as you have in your previous posts and then after comment/advice from possibly your peers, youve reassessed the situation again, then whinge about the system failing you and not the other way round, and finish off your post with "SAMFS You suck".
Just wondering what part of the intake process brought you undone? Your apparent attitude perhaps? Use this setback as a learning experience, not an excuse to whinge and whine!
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pyro1 - youve missed out, big whoop... plenty of people do every intake. But judging by your nick and your attitude in these posts id be suprised if youd pass any psych testing anyway...
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All good points everyone. If you want to talk bonus points, how about the guys that have been in the retained ranks for a few years. Shouldnt this, in some way, help the person obtain full time employment. They are already employed by the SAMFS.
Oh and to the accountant of 25 years who made the last intake and struggled to ship a standpipe on many occasions, well done on passing the recruit course.
SAMFS You suck!!
Ha! Bonus points for being a retainer? You have to be kidding. If anything it should exclude you permanently - based on the times I've worked with retained chaps...
PYRO, you're an idiot. I think its great that an accountant of 25 years decided to get a real job, struggled with the learning process and ended up succeeding, becoming competent and passing his recruit course. A far better outcome than the know it all retained firie who thinks that he is gods gift to firefighting passing recruit course.
I love, as Katrina pointed out, people who whine about getting bent over by SAMFS when it is clear that they haven't met at least one of the very well published selection criteria. As for the people who were put on the waiting list, that is a pain in the arse. The problem lies with planning for more courses than they have the budget for, and then having to cut courses. It sucks, but thats the way life is.
Best of luck to those who grin and bear it, and keep pushing on. To the others, maybe if you still keep getting knocked back, as good as you think you are, you're not the right stuff for SAMFS.
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6739264 Your the idiot starting up the Retainers vs CFS drama again. Why dont you get over that for starters.
Next, it sounds to me from your post that you have an atitude problem as well.
MFS Suck!
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Pyro, one of the guys I got in with had tried for 10 years. He too probably had a whinge about the system but didn't let it consume him, he just continued to buy the paper every Saturday to wait for the next advert for intakes and tried again, and in the end persistance paid off. So don't have a whinge and bad mouth a great service full of good men and women, just get on with life and re-apply next time.
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hey Pyro1, do us all a favour and look interstate for employment ;)
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Hey OMGWTF Great comment Noob. Your a great help to this forum. Keep up the outstanding advice, you tool.
As for you PYRO keep trying to get in. Those that have given constuctive advice are right. Dont give up.
6739264 well you are just a hero mate, but hey you already knew that.
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K99 - yeh cheers mate.... :-P
Just saying, someone like this doesnt need encouragement, they need a reality check, and if he such a bad opinion of the MFS, perhaps he should try elsewhere.
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Im sick of all the BS that has been going on with recruitment over the past 7 to 8 years in which I have been involved with. I have probably applied maybe 6 times I think and it basically all ends in some sort of BS.
I have passed everything 3 times but failed to secure full time employment.
last year I passed everything and was told I am on a 12 month list for next intake. This year I get all the emails saying I must now re apply... I wrote back stating my "waitlisting" is in the required 12 months so please explain. Was then told that the 12 months will be expired by the time intake STARTS recruit course. Just so happens that this is around 2 0r 3 weeks after my waitlist expires.
I agree totally with Jason....quote Ah i wouldn't quite say there intakes are fair if you are a English Caucasian & male end quote
Special information sessions for females, special info sessions for Aboriginals and TS islanders.....more BS
SAMFS are certainly not equal opportunity employers.
I have to sometimes think "do I wish to be part of an organisation that cannot run a fair and unbiased intake instead of changing the rules every year to suit them".
SAMFS You Suck!
Yes I can fully understand your position PYRO1, although your sign off is I would gather is born of frustration.
As for you other goobs, obviously you've never passed a comprehension exam. Read the post, passed all aspects, on wait list for next intake, changes in process. One of the rules of the forum is no personal attacks is it not?
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OMGWTF Thanks for your advice. Much appreciated. You are a great help.
As for you slogan of " Fire, better than sex" Have you tried sex with a female species? I am sure you will enjoy it more. Cheers
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lol mate....
as for my advice, i was actually serious. many people have gone interstate rather than just getting sour and pouting.
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Ha! Bonus points for being a retainer? You have to be kidding. If anything it should exclude you permanently - based on the times I've worked with retained chaps...
PYRO, you're an idiot. I think its great that an accountant of 25 years decided to get a real job, struggled with the learning process and ended up succeeding, becoming competent and passing his recruit course. A far better outcome than the know it all retained firie who thinks that he is gods gift to firefighting passing recruit course.
I love, as Katrina pointed out, people who whine about getting bent over by SAMFS when it is clear that they haven't met at least one of the very well published selection criteria. As for the people who were put on the waiting list, that is a pain in the filtered. The problem lies with planning for more courses than they have the budget for, and then having to cut courses. It sucks, but thats the way life is.
Best of luck to those who grin and bear it, and keep pushing on. To the others, maybe if you still keep getting knocked back, as good as you think you are, you're not the right stuff for SAMFS.
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Do you have a negative outlook on everyone other than yourself?
How often have you worked with retained firies?
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looks like its going to be another 12 to 18 months before they do another call.
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so they arent in desperate need of new fresh fireys...ok :-)
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Some of this thread is way off base. If you can't play the issue not the person you will have your account suspended. Personal Attacks and inflaming threads is not allowed.
You will be viewed as a troll if inappropriate behaviour continues.
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Do you have a negative outlook on everyone other than yourself?
How often have you worked with retained firies?
If I told you that I had more of a negative outlook on myself than on anyone else, you wouldn't believe me. Mate I'm not being negative, I'm just calling it as I see it.
6739264 Your the idiot starting up the Retainers vs CFS drama again. Why dont you get over that for starters.
Next, it sounds to me from your post that you have an atitude problem as well.
MFS Suck!
CFS vs. Retained? Bah! Never said anything about CFS... Of course not every retained firie in SAMFS is an idiot, I have a couple of close mates who are retained chaps and they know their stuff as do their colleagues. It was merely a brash generalisation... Just like 99% of the rest of the posts on this forum :wink:
PYRO, just because I don't like your attitude, doesn't mean that I don't feel for you being screwed around. The fact that you were put on the waiting list multiple times then to have the slate wiped, really does suck. Everyone knows that SAMFS need to overhaul their recruitment process, heres hoping they do it soon.
6739264 well you are just a hero mate, but hey you already knew that.
No worries mate, next time you need help, give us a bell and I'll come and hero it up and save the day.
as for my advice, i was actually serious. many people have gone interstate rather than just getting sour and pouting.
It does seem to be the way to go, especially for the youngsters. Go east... Plus, they actually do work in Victora and NSW :wink:
so they arent in desperate need of new fresh fireys...ok :-)
Depends how many they intake... hopefully for all concerned its more than the normal handful...
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hey Pyro1, do us all a favour and look interstate for employment ;)
PRYO1
Some good advice there, I waited on the cab rank for a year at the last intake and didn't get in. I turned down the interview for this years intake due to being recently accepted interstate. I have been trying for a number of years also.
Lose the offensive sign-off and keep trying, if your good enough you will get through and your chances at the moment greater then they have ever been.
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so, anyone been offered the medical yet?
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more to the point, has anyone been offered the PAT 2 yet?
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I have got my Pat 2 next week and a medical the week after if i pass pat 2,not getting to excited yet as this happened to me last year. Not sure how many applicants received the same info as me? Good luck to all :-)
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@ flyboy
I believe there is approx 40 being offered the PAT 2 (36 required) as they are doing 2 drill squads before the end of year, and possibly 2 more early next year.
Good luck mate
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@ flyboy
When did you get notified of your PAT 2 test, interviews only finished on monday last week.Seems to be a very rapid descision time to me....
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@ gasman
Received email last Thurs, I thought it was very quick also!!! :-)
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good luck on the pat 2, remember dont drop anything
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Sigh, I just got an email saying that I've been put in a pool following the interview stage. Can anyone tell me what that actually means? Are there any advantages/disadvantages to being in the pool of people next time that they are recruiting?
:-(
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this all sounds like a overcomplicated process lol....
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@ action 9
Looks like you have been cab ranked for future drill squads scheduled for later this year or early next year. believe at least one more drill squad to be run after the two that are currently being filled have finished.
Its not a bad position to be in.
I got the other email saying that i have been unsuccessfull following the interview and please apply againn next time.
Here's hoping it will be lucky fourth time for me next year.
Good luck with the process
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Just thought i would point out that the @ symbol (also known as an asperand) is actually short for "at" and not "attention"
but hey, just my opinion...
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Aren't they using it rather than the 'Quote' function?
EG: The following comments are directed @ so and so
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When the MFS tell you that you will be placed in a pool for future recruitment, that just means they will string you along for the whole time.
Eventually you will get an email saying " sorry because of "insert excuse here" you will now have to re-apply for the next intake".
This just means you will have to go through the whole process again.
Good luck next time!
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Can those grapes get much more sour?
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Got to give it to him though numbers, very consistent ,whines every time. :-D
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Maybe a CFS brigade could hire him to help talk to their regional office?
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Im not worried about the whinging , sour grapes response, but are you suggesting what I have posted is incorrect?
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It's obviously a case of "you want the truth, you can't handle the truth". Of course with the highly intellegent posts that some of you people have previously placed, PYRO mustn't have gone through the process he's described, because you know better. Of course with all your years of wisdom and experience, and the countless thousands of jobs you've been to, you'd not be lowering yourselves to apply for positions as "mere" fire fighters with the SAMFS, you guys are only looking at the Chief Officer's positions and above. It's gongbeaters like you that give the vast majority of SACFS volunteers a bad name.
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Has anyone been offered a start date for the next drill squad or two? :|
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Flyboy
I believe the start date is still June 16th, but I don't think the recruitment committee has made an announcement on the first 18 positions. I guess if we haven't been notified on the results of the medical it must be a good thing :)
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Thanks for the update Topjake,
I guess no news is good news! Do you think they will notify applicants for both drill squads or just the first one? :-)
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Flyboy
Only the the first drill squid will be notified straight away with the second course notified at the end of June.
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any news?
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believe drill squad one for 2008 started yesterday.
Reference checks are being undertaken for second squad now
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The next drill squad starts on the 28th July.
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The next drill squad starts on the 28th July.
And you are on it I hear, congrats.
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Decision on current pool to be made in mid november from what i've heard.
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Is this to decide if they will will use the current pool for the first 09 course or intake again to fill those positions?
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Believe so.
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The first 36 in the pool will receive a letter shortly to sit there PAT2, medical the following day. everyone else bad luck i guess. I'm not sure whether the 36 will receive 1 or 2 attempts at the PAT2
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Correct me if i am wrong but they are not the first 36 as they are the somewhat "dregs" from the last intake so in fact are in the 90's, so once again instead of intaking a fresh batch of firefighters they are going for whats left over. I am thinking they should only get one shot at retesting for the pat 2 as they should already be up to that level of fitness. i know interstate services are having trouble with the "quality" of applicants in the later courses as in a normal situation they would have been cut from the group.
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my understanding is first course from the remaining gene pool. First course may be a significant size (up to 24).
After that no definite decision on reusing the remaining but significantly depleted gene pool, or readvertising (my guess......if you're stiill in the process so far, u'll get a letter). Pat 2 process hasnt been decided (I dont think.
Lastly, might be as many as 72 places on offer this year
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Correct most fire services are intaking courses of 30+ with a total of 90+ recruits being put through per year to keep up with retirements and station growth.
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For starters big bronto your a tool, obviously somewhat bitter. Do some mathematics its not 90 its 72 which doesnt leave any dregs as thats what was stated in the interview they were looking for 4 drill squads, therefore no 72 will be the last of the 4th. I got my letter yesterday, 2 shots at PAT2 just like the last 2 squads.
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Play nice....
Now give each other a big sloppy kiss and get on with some decent discussion. :lol:
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For starters big bronto your a tool, obviously somewhat bitter. Do some mathematics its not 90 its 72 which doesnt leave any dregs as thats what was stated in the interview they were looking for 4 drill squads, therefore no 72 will be the last of the 4th. I got my letter yesterday, 2 shots at PAT2 just like the last 2 squads.
g'day,
what testing have you done so far?
It seems they may have changed the order this year.
cheers.
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I think you misunderstood buddy, I applied in Feb, i have already done PAT1, phych and written testing, then interview in that order, we were all then put into a pool, so far they have taken 36(2 squads) and have just recently notified a further 36 in the pool to complete there PAT2 for 2 more squads (believed to start in Feb). In total 72 people 4 squads. This is all they will take from the pool, Ive heard, it will all start again early next year but the whole process will be for the 2010 recruits.
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Mate i am not somewhat bitter as i already drive a red scania for a living probie. interesting 2 shots at the PAT 2, are they planning on you failing, shouldn't everyone be at their peak fitness to get in the job.
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Mate i am not somewhat bitter as i already drive a red scania for a living probie. interesting 2 shots at the PAT 2, are they planning on you failing, shouldn't everyone be at their peak fitness to get in the job.
might as well be, we know they dont neccessarily keep it after they get in the job. The Beep Test requirement is just one part of the recruitment filtering process, designed to dissuade a certain percentage of people from applying and keep the numbers to a manageable 2000 or so...lol.
If it was a requirement of the Service, then u would have regular testing throughout - sort of like the CFS and SES are moving towards for their paid staff. Would certainly open up promotion if it was introduced
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Mate i am not somewhat bitter as i already drive a red scania for a living probie. interesting 2 shots at the PAT 2, are they planning on you failing, shouldn't everyone be at their peak fitness to get in the job.
Uh oh, attack of the "I've already got a job with a Paid Service, LOOK AT MY RANK!" Get your hand off it mate.
As for getting on topic with 110% less wanking about who's got a job and who hasn't, I can understand having a second chance for the PAT 2 - but only in certain circumstances. There are a number of people who have been physically fit, and going great guns through the PAT for a few of the different services around the place and have only failed by slipping/tripping or other minor issue that is nothing to do with their level of fitness or competency.
In terms of the lower echelons of the recruiting pool being seen as the dregs, its not necessarily the case. Granted, some of the new blokes at work are occasionally... a little bit special, but generally those in the lower levels are people who haven't scored highly in your academic side of testing, but are more hands on and mechanically minded. This is not necessarily a bad thing, as often the guts of 'firefighting' comes easier to those more hands on blokes.
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Well said 6739264
to add to this, which is entirely true, EVERYTHING in the process except the Interview is pass/fail. there are set levels to pass, if you pass you proceed to the next stage. after the interview you are then put into the pool(based souly on the interview). Im as fit if not fitter than the guys who went through the first squad, and also passed to the same level in the testing, I just wasnt as convincing in the interview, possibly because it was my first interview, i have always worked for myself. the same reason alot of AFL players dont make the SAMFS cut. So yes get your hand off it, your obviously a tool thus being the reason your hanging out in the recruit forum, trying to impress/insult the people that deserve the job much more than you.
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maybe he's got a small bronto?
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hahahahahaha, good one.
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Just a question - is the SAMFS Cse a competent/ not competent course i.e. do you have to actually pass anything other than a physical, apptitude & interview process?
Only reason why I'm asking is that the comment "proby" was used. I would assume that means probationer?
If that is the case then just because you made the "drill squad" in 2009, does that make you a fully fledged full time firefighter - if not fairly brave move slagging someone off, who is one & potentially could filtered up your new found career before it has even started.
And mate before you call me a filtered tosser - been through a very tough selection process myself many years ago & the most important things I learnt out of that was a)humility, b)respect for those who have gone before & c)one day the person you abuse will catch up with you :wink:
All the best in your new career & yes Numers another quiet week in Riceville :-D
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Trainee Firefighter is the pay grade for those in Drill squads, once the 12 weeks is done, ya move into the Full time firefighter ranks (about 10 pay grades before u hit the White shirt...who would wanna do that! :P)
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My question is Zippy is a) are they on probation? b) Can they be dismissed or back squaded if they don't meet the grade?
cheers
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My question is Zippy is a) are they on probation? b) Can they be dismissed or back squaded if they don't meet the grade?
cheers
yes.....but very rare
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Thanks - cheers
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From one who has tried to gain employment with the MFS in the past, it is an interesting method of selection when ranking is based on interview scoring.
I am a self employed tradesman running a very successfull business, i apparently dont interview too well and hence after three attempts am still working for myself. People around me cant understand why i havent been employed yet. All comes down to how well you sell yourself on the day. Know this though, i will be there having another go next year and the year after that until i am told, Thanks but no thanks, you dont fit the bill.
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Keep your chin up mate, never know what will happen.. ;)
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I think you misunderstood buddy, I applied in Feb, i have already done PAT1, phych and written testing, then interview in that order, we were all then put into a pool, so far they have taken 36(2 squads) and have just recently notified a further 36 in the pool to complete there PAT2 for 2 more squads (believed to start in Feb). In total 72 people 4 squads. This is all they will take from the pool, Ive heard, it will all start again early next year but the whole process will be for the 2010 recruits.
No misunderstanding.
I applied early 2007. The order was
PAT1
Interview & Role Play
PAT2
Psyc & Written Test.
So they have changed things around this year.
I'll have another shot at it in 2009.
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Keep your chin up mate, never know what will happen.. ;)
how true is that....looked what happened to you! :lol:
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:P
Cheeky bugger.. ;) :-D
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Josh, thats realy wierd. I know someone who was succesful in 2007 and had done the process same order as i have, he made first drill squad. did you apply in another intake? it sounds really wierd to me. I am aware last time they made the applicants complete the PAT2 before they were even placed in a pool. that has changed due to alot of unnecessary work putting say 100 people through when only 54 are required. There was alot of scheiße with the 2007 intake and the process they ran from the start. I think the union has stepped in now to make it more fair
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Josh, thats realy wierd. I know someone who was succesful in 2007 and had done the process same order as i have, he made first drill squad. did you apply in another intake? it sounds really wierd to me. I am aware last time they made the applicants complete the PAT2 before they were even placed in a pool. that has changed due to alot of unnecessary work putting say 100 people through when only 54 are required. There was alot of filtered with the 2007 intake and the process they ran from the start. I think the union has stepped in now to make it more fair
Definitely 2007.
The order was as i mentioned it.
It all went really quickly. Start to finnish in about 1 month i think. Then every one went into the pool or got excluded and invited to try again in 12 months. I put my application in the day that it opened.
The PAT2 was awesome. Adrenaline was going hammer and tongs.
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well there ya go, we al know what the mfs is like. i take it you were out of luck this year, bad luck. better luck next time. Im hoping i dont need next time, though it is my first shot at the pat2 dont know what to expect. i know i can do it all just hope i dont mess up under pressure.
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Adrenaline was going hammer and tongs for a PAT 2 :?
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PAT2 is exactly like the dvd, great fun and a challenge. good luck, just dont drop anything. Best advice i ever got
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well there ya go, we al know what the mfs is like. i take it you were out of luck this year, bad luck. better luck next time. Im hoping i dont need next time, though it is my first shot at the pat2 dont know what to expect. i know i can do it all just hope i dont mess up under pressure.
it wasnt this year. it was 2007.
12 months had not passed when they closed the applications for 2008 so i missed out on trying out this year.
the pat 2 was tough but it was awesome. by the time you get to the end moving the 20l containers in the suit you are pretty knackered. just keep pressing on.
i will be in a much better position to try out again next time. cant wait for the process to start again. was fun even though i didnt get in, although a bit of a rollercoaster.
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well im confused as i was told i was ranked in the 45 - 55 pool, and was told the other day that by the mfs that they arent using the people in the pool.
Try again next year i guess.
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only using the first 36 from what i hear. chin up try again next year like me, was cab ranked last year and missed out so know how you feel
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Has anyone from the pool done the PAT2 yet?
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Had PAT2 last week, got the medical this week.I was ranked 1-3 in the pool.
This was my first time through this process, been a long haul, worth the wait.
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Me too, first attempt.....very long process, successfully completed the PAT2 today, Medical Tommorrow
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Good on ya MR Wouldnt u like to know.
what did u end up with in the beep test?
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Good on ya MR Wouldnt u like to know.
what did u end up with in the beep test?
they stop you once you hit 9.6 (well when i did it in 2007 anyway)
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To the guys that have done the medical, can you please tell me exactly what they do to test your vision?
Thanks heaps.
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Just your basic cover one eye read the letters on the wall, cover the other eye and repeat.
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As blockman said, in this test you must achieve vision of 6/12 minimum in worst eye. Also a colourblind test which is a book with coloured numbers in a coloured background to make sure you can distinguish a difference in colours.
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Ive never understood the colour blindness issue for MFS.
Considering nothing that i can think of is colour coded... however for SAAS everything is colour coded and yet there is no issue with coloru blindness.
Also ARFF dont have a colour blindness issue...
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Helmets and fire extinguishers :P
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Colour blindness only ever has to be a problem once and that is once too many times, these people are not serving customers at Mcdonalds..... and its probably another culling tool to keep recruit numbers manageable.
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Hahaha Zippy, Red/Blue is not a type of colour blindness though. I dont think a lot of people really understand how colour blindness works.
JAFF, i understand what you mean, however why is it ok for SAAS, where as i said almost everything is colour coded? I see no reason for the exclusion in SAMFS, when no other SA service has the exclusion [except perhaps private industry services]. As you said, probly just another way to cull off numbers in the huge amount of applications.
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Has anybody who recently did the PAT2/medical had their work reference called yet?
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Just your basic cover one eye read the letters on the wall, cover the other eye and repeat.
do you do read with both eyes or only one at a time?
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Has anybody who recently did the PAT2/medical had their work reference called yet?
Yeah my work reference was called on Thursday. Asked my boss about a dozen questions. Think i am in the first intake, was ranked 20 in the pool and a few pulled out i think. Apparently we are going to receive a letter next week according to a mate who spoke to Mara.
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Excellent, looks like ill be in the 2nd intake(fingers crossed). So well wait and see, congratulations on your success. although its not official yet, i spoke to Mara the day of the medical and she said only if we pass the medical/pat2/police clearance would our referees be called. provided the reference was good it would be all go and letters would be sent before xmas so the new recruits could give current employers 4 weeks notice.
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Josh, reading the letter board is 1 eye at a time, colour blind test bith eyes
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From one who has tried to gain employment with the MFS in the past, it is an interesting method of selection when ranking is based on interview scoring.
I am a self employed tradesman running a very successfull business, i apparently dont interview too well and hence after three attempts am still working for myself. People around me cant understand why i havent been employed yet. All comes down to how well you sell yourself on the day. Know this though, i will be there having another go next year and the year after that until i am told, Thanks but no thanks, you dont fit the bill.
I think the rankings are done from the psych and aptitude testing. How can they possibly get a fair ranking system from interviews when this year they interviewed about 150 people and interviews were done by at least 4 or 5 different people? And if you do a bit of research ( SAMFS website) and ask some current MFS members you can get a fair idea of the questions they will ask.
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From one who has tried to gain employment with the MFS in the past, it is an interesting method of selection when ranking is based on interview scoring.
I am a self employed tradesman running a very successfull business, i apparently dont interview too well and hence after three attempts am still working for myself. People around me cant understand why i havent been employed yet. All comes down to how well you sell yourself on the day. Know this though, i will be there having another go next year and the year after that until i am told, Thanks but no thanks, you dont fit the bill.
I think the rankings are done from the psych and aptitude testing. How can they possibly get a fair ranking system from interviews when this year they interviewed about 150 people and interviews were done by at least 4 or 5 different people? And if you do a bit of research ( SAMFS website) and ask some current MFS members you can get a fair idea of the questions they will ask.
that was my understanding as well. the process was different when i did it in 2007 as the psyc & aptitude was last (before medical & polices/reference checks), but as you do the psyc before the interview now they may have changed how applicants are ranked.
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I am 100 percent the rankings are based souly on the interview as i asked during my interview how the process worked. There are 3 groups doing interviews, each with a D/O and human resource person. It is a check sheet, the more right answers you give or keywords you state the more boxes get ticked. As i said i asked the question in my interview in the last process and the answer i was given was everything till today has been pass fail you will be ranked from this interview!!!
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I am 100 percent the rankings are based souly on the interview as i asked during my interview how the process worked. There are 3 groups doing interviews, each with a D/O and human resource person. It is a check sheet, the more right answers you give or keywords you state the more boxes get ticked. As i said i asked the question in my interview in the last process and the answer i was given was everything till today has been pass fail you will be ranked from this interview!!!
Fair enough.I think it seems like a bit of a lottery then,because there would be lots of people with similar responses. Hopefully we get a letter in the next few days.
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well i prefer it to be ranked on the interview rather than the personality profile / aptitude test.
looking forward to trying again with the new order in place.
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Has anyone in the que for the 2009 intakes received a letter or phone call yet confirming position since medical and work reference check?
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Not yet mate been waiting for the mail man everyday :( if i havent recieved mine by mail time tomorrow i will call Mara, due to the fact she told me we would know before Xmas
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Not yet mate been waiting for the mail man everyday :( if i havent recieved mine by mail time tomorrow i will call Mara, due to the fact she told me we would know before Xmas
I was thinking exactly the same about calling her. Might be delayed due to xmas though. Maybe there will be a nice little present in the mail tomorrow :-D :-D
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Wouldnt it be a great way to start the new year too....... Im sure she will give us the heads up even if there is no letter. sShe seemed rather certain on the letters being out before xmas when i spoke after my medical.
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Wouldnt it be a great way to start the new year too....... Im sure she will give us the heads up even if there is no letter. sShe seemed rather certain on the letters being out before xmas when i spoke after my medical.
I have 2 mates waiting aswell.
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Got the offer and package with all details in the post yesterday, start Feb 16th!
Still hasn't sunk in
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congratulations, hoping mine is here today.....
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congratulations, hoping mine is here today.....
Just spoke to Mara i am in the intake that starts on 30th of March. She is sending out offer and package today :-D :-D
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WOOHOO, im with you Monger. spoke to Mara im in the same boat, she sent them today we will get them next working day. See you soon.
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Okay, so they are doing 2 recruit courses next year from the last pool of applicants??.. Apparently they will call for more applications early next year.?? if so that might be it for a year or two. ??
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Okay, so they are doing 2 recruit courses next year from the last pool of applicants??.. Apparently they will call for more applications early next year.?? if so that might be it for a year or two. ??
Yeah 2 intakes from the pool left over from Februarys applications, one in Feb and one in March 2009. Have not heard about how many intakes for next year. But i think from reading an article in paper a while back they need quite a few recruits to keep up with retirements and a couple of new stations opened or opening soon.