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General Discussion => SASES => Topic started by: sesroadcrashrescue on August 23, 2007, 12:27:08 AM
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the new RCR jackets who has them who dosent
i find mine very comfy by its self but as soon as we get a RCR job and i have to where overalls and my Jacket i feel arkward and puffed up like a orange marshmellow is there any chance SES might adopt more of the cfs style uniform and go with the pants aswell whould be so much better as a uniform the overalls
overalls are the suck
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from my understanding there are quite a few SES units/members getting around in two piece gear already.. (pants/belt/top)
what is an 'RCR jacket'?
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its taken from CFS jackets its a cross between the PBI Gold and normal yellows its just a 2 pice top i was talking about using the cfs pants as well but hay what ever they decide to use i fond the cfs uniform better to work in SES shirt and pants is good for land search but not practical for RCR thers very little protection
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ahh k i see...
would make sense for SES rescue crews to have some protection from fire... believe the current gear has a bit of proban treatment>?
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Full two-piece SES PPE orange have been around for a long-time.
Some Units are still recycling old uniforms instead of issuing new gear. Maybe the overalls is what they had in stock.
Just need to see your Unit regards issuing them.
I personally prefer overalls when tyring to squeeze through a space.
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ahh k i see...
would make sense for SES rescue crews to have some protection from fire... believe the current gear has a bit of proban treatment>?
The new SES PPE has Proban included in the material. I think even my older overalls has the treatment (need to check later).
You can tell the new SES PPE because they have padded knees & "SES RESCUE" on them.
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ahh k i see...
would make sense for SES rescue crews to have some protection from fire... believe the current gear has a bit of proban treatment>?
The new SES PPE has Proban included in the material. I think even my older overalls has the treatment (need to check later).
You can tell the new SES PPE because they have padded knees & "SES RESCUE" on them.
Actually, they're more like crotch pads unless you have disproportionately short legs... 2 piece old style all the way...
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i have not seen any ses units with CFS style two pice if the two pice your are refering to is the shirt and pants what a joke iw ould go with the overalls its time ses caught up and started thinking what is logical. usar personel may be better off in overalls and personal choice however RCR should be CFS style 2 pice jacket and pants
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usar personel may be better off in overalls and personal choice however RCR should be CFS style 2 pice jacket and pants
Why is a Jacket and Pants a "must" for RCR?
At work I would usually wear bunker pants and long sleeve (treated) work shirts for RCR's.. It is alot less restrictive, and alot better on the body when it comes to your bodys thermal dynamics and allowing heat to escape, thus cooling the body and reducing your core temperature.
Obviously depending on the conditions of the job I may wear my turnout jacket, however I haven't found too many occasions where that has been required.
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never said must i said "should" but its all personal choice as long as you are protected i fell better in a jacket and pants like the CFS have
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I know, but it would have read funny if I wrote..
"Why is a Jacket and pants a "should" for RCR?"
hehe..
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your not fighting a fire, your doing a cut out...
your better off with clothing that is minimal, but still offers the appropriate protection to limbs, body, etc. you dont want extra heavy bunker gear...
the current two piece pants and shirt make sense to me...
but at the end of the day, if ya wanna dress up in PBI or whatever, then re-join the fire service, cos it aint gonna happen in the SES.
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im not saying PBI what i am saying is for comfort and movement and how hard is it to gat a pair over overalls that fit its almost impossible a jacket and pants similer to what CFS have would be a good idea and dealing with cars id rather have clightly thicker gear on the shirt and pants other wise i may as well where a blue singlet footy shorts and a pair of thongs. i have no intention of rejoining the CFS why get uniforms that is not ment to come in to contact with flame or UV light dose not make much sence to me NEW PBI NO GOOD FOR FIREFIGHTING BUT WE WILL GIVE IT TO YOU ANYWAY
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im not saying PBI what i am saying is for comfort and movement and how hard is it to gat a pair over overalls that fit its almost impossible a jacket and pants similer to what CFS have would be a good idea and dealing with cars id rather have clightly thicker gear on the shirt and pants other wise i may as well where a blue singlet footy shorts and a pair of thongs. i have no intention of rejoining the CFS why get uniforms that is not ment to come in to contact with flame or UV light dose not make much sence to me NEW PBI NO GOOD FOR FIREFIGHTING BUT WE WILL GIVE IT TO YOU ANYWAY
Did you leave or get kicked out... lol
sorry couldnt resist it.
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PBI is one of the best garments for interior firefighting and protecting the wearer from thermal heat exposure.. Where do you get half of your information from?
Anything is going to degrade if you just leave it in the sun (UV) for 6 months, it is a general "blanketed" warning.. - And sure, esposure to flame will eventually start to deteriorate the garment.. - But show me one that won't !! A good firefighter won't stay in such an environment for a period of time that it will be able to do such damage..
I struggle to understand how you can bash the gear, when you don't personally wear it.. - I give it top marks, and have worn it for a few years.. (Both as a paid and vol. firefighter).
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im not saying PBI what i am saying is for comfort and movement and how hard is it to gat a pair over overalls that fit its almost impossible a jacket and pants similer to what CFS have would be a good idea and dealing with cars id rather have clightly thicker gear on the shirt and pants other wise i may as well where a blue singlet footy shorts and a pair of thongs. i have no intention of rejoining the CFS why get uniforms that is not ment to come in to contact with flame or UV light dose not make much sence to me NEW PBI NO GOOD FOR FIREFIGHTING BUT WE WILL GIVE IT TO YOU ANYWAY
Actually PBI is quite good for firefighting, that is why it used all over the world. You would know from your firefighting days that you arent meant to walk through flames, hence very few clothing items are designed for this purpose. As far as the UV light goes, it will not harm the garments during limited exposure. Rather it can break down if stored or left in direct sunlight for extended periods of time. We are talking months etc. Same reason why you shouldnt leave your firefighting helmet on the rear parcel shelf of your car all day every day..
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Same reason why you shouldnt leave your firefighting helmet on the rear parcel shelf of your car all day every day..
lmao - have seen that before.... makes them look hella tough though!!!
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thats way it says in the book not to be used near flames and i know your not ment to walk thruogh the flames but sometimes things dont go acording to the text book
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Ideally, nothing is supposed to be used near flames.. - .. But we don't live in an Ideal world!!
If you read up on the capabilities of this gear, and what it has been trialled against, I think you will find it is one of the most superior garments being used throughout the services world wide.
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anyway getting a bit off topic back to the SES Jackets they are good but need to have the pants with them
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OK.. I've read everything. What freaking jackets are you talking about?! There's the shirts that go with the pants that are the alternative to overalls *ack* and then there's the wet weather gear that has just been provided (the good old blue and orange council-worker jacket). Then there is Strathalbyn SES's very attractive (almost red) Goretex jacket. Don't know what other jacket is out there that SES provides for doing RCR, but if there is one, I want to see it!
Mind you, if you are going to whine about how flimsy uniforms are for doing RCR, how about asking for fabric that battery acid doesn't eat through, eh? Lost count of the number of RCR lads and lasses that I've seen running around with holes in the thighs and crotch of their uniforms thanks to battery acid (mind you, what the hell are they doing putting their crotches near battery acid in the first place?!)
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....what the filtered are they doing putting their crotches near battery acid in the first place?!)
KINKY :evil: :lol: :mrgreen:
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What are they doing that close to battery acid anyway??? I've only ever had gloves damaged by the stuff???
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Squiddy, the jackets are DALE from Fire and Rescue(COST $305 each) they are not issued, they are a bit like CFS turn out jackets but with a sewn in water proof liner (tried to get one with a zipout liner for when we suport CFS in summer - no go orders from above). And you have to supply the shoulder patches, we got two for a trial and the blokes wouldn't take them off :-) so we are getting some more. They are brilliant however due to cost will only be issued to the RCR qualified guys not to those who are not in the hot zone (pardon the pun). they are better wearing than the Rain birds (don't tear etc & won't srinkwrap to you if things suddenly get hot). Having been to an MVA that involved incinerations I decided we should have this level of protection in winter. Hope this answered your questions. cheers
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Hey Chook, do they clean up well after blood? I've been to some pretty messy jobs, and some things just don't clean well at all...
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Don't know mate, I suspect they may be a bit similar to our overall/ two piece gear looks good brand new but stains easily. As I said before I got two sets in as a trial (was really disappointed they only had the very large off the peg so way to big for me :wink:)and the guys won't let go of them, so I think it will some time before we get a good indication on wear, durability & whether they stay looking good. And at three times the cost of the Rainbird jackets, I'm concerned about those factors; but I will let you know how they stack up. It was a pity that the liner can't be removed though, as it would make them more versitile (when we were in Newcastle NSW SES had a similar jacket that they wear like a CFS turn out coat- it was the only good bit of gear they had) ideal for those times when its a bit chilly, but not enough for a full blown coat. May be if our Hq people decide to buy them, then that decision will change