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General Discussion => Country Fire Service => Topic started by: Mike on November 20, 2009, 06:13:34 AM
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Was watching the news last night when they mentioned 2 trucks had been involved in a collision.
5 injured, (I think they said 2 serious?)
It looked like quite a substantial impact from the pictures....
These things should serve as a timely reminder to be vigilant and stay safe.
I wish all involved a speedy recovery.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/19/2747535.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/19/2747535.htm)
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I heard a rumour the appliances were from Minlaton and Curramulka. Can anyone confirm?
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According to the pictures on the news footage you are right.
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Just to add there was also another accident involving a volunteer firey who was driving a DEH unit at the fire down near Kingston on thursday night but i havent heard much about that one yet
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good on the CFS for gettin these brigades a brand new truck stowed and ready to go by the next day :-)
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Brand new or spares ? Didn't think there was anything new to give out apart from 34P's ?
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Willunga 24 and Swan Reach 24.
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Willunga 24 and Swan Reach 24.
Thats what i meant and thats the ones..at lest the curry truck was an older one.
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Im disappointed.
A simple post wishing people a quick recovery and reminding all to stay safe turns into a slinging match.
It is quite obvious that something did not go according to plan... at this stage it doesnt need to be analysed any further.
Dont let the thread go down the same path again. :x
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And thus shows one of the major problems with the CFS. We just can't stand to evaluate our actions when things go wrong. We're more than happy to stand back and and offer our condolences (as we should) but there is a lesson to be learned from most of these 'accidents' so that they can be avoided in the future.
We need to be open to learn from our mistakes as a service. It's pretty obvious that in this case, as with Mt. Bryan and Murray Bridge that someone cocked up in a major way. Once we work out what has occurred people need to be made aware so that we can learn from this and use this as an example of what can happen when people aren't paying attention, suffer tunnel vision or whatever else may have caused the prang.
Bring on PSTP "Operate and Maintain Common Sense"!
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And thus shows one of the major problems with the CFS. We just can't stand to evaluate our actions when things go wrong. We're more than happy to stand back and and offer our condolences (as we should) but there is a lesson to be learned from most of these 'accidents' so that they can be avoided in the future.
We need to be open to learn from our mistakes as a service. It's pretty obvious that in this case, as with Mt. Bryan and Murray Bridge that someone cocked up in a major way. Once we work out what has occurred people need to be made aware so that we can learn from this and use this as an example of what can happen when people aren't paying attention, suffer tunnel vision or whatever else may have caused the prang.
Bring on PSTP "Operate and Maintain Common Sense"!
Of course we must learn from the mistakes made. And yes, someone, obviously made a mistake.
However, the actual cause of this crash, and what mistakes were made, are, at least on this forum currently, just speculation. We need to be careful of making assumptions about what happened, based on small snippets of information gained from the media.
Pip
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Im disappointed.
A simple post wishing people a quick recovery and reminding all to stay safe turns into a slinging match.
It is quite obvious that something did not go according to plan... at this stage it doesnt need to be analysed any further.
Dont let the thread go down the same path again. :x
? Where's the slinging match?
Anyhow, it's a great thing no one was hurt more seriously. There was certainly a lot of panic when the incident occured.
It is a wake up call about driving in low visibility, and making certain that if one cannot be scene, they can at least be heard... Also agree with 6739264 in that it will provide an excellent learning experience.
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[whitecloud: the slinging match was deleted by mods]
The problem is it will only be a learning experience for those involved as CFS has a history of keeping the outcomes of these types of investigations secret or sweeping it under the carpet. Other examples of MVAs have already been mentioned by Mr Numbers but it extends to things like burnovers too (eg. at the Willunga fire a while ago).
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The USA have a "Wildland Fire Lessons Learned Centre" where all safety reports/investigations are published.
http://www.wildfirelessons.net/Home.aspx (http://www.wildfirelessons.net/Home.aspx)
I also cannot understand why in Australia these reports aren't made public.
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you would think that the CFS Centre for Lessons Learned would be similarly available...nice and concise catalogue, freely accessible by all on the Net and full of information.....apparantly not. More locked down than Paris's Phone Number....
or maybe it's just that nothing has been learned in the last 4 years :?
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I've attached the 2007 Lessons learned "issue 1"....has there ever been a issue 2 haha
Has anyone used the "CFS Commander" tab, when Police is the Incident controller? lol
When was the last time you saw a CFS member at an incident not wearing PPE....i could count a number of occurances in the past 3 months....
IRIS was first mentioned in 2007....first used in 2009, some faster than usual progress !
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The CFS Incident Controller at the Strathalbyn School Fire wasn't wearing any PPE.....great example they set for us!
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and you're surprised?...why?
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and you're surprised?...why?
Hahaha, yeah, not exactly the pinnacle area for responsibility, Good as using Woodchester 14 in a fire inside a furniture shop...
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Not surprised, just making a point...its the CFS, nothing can come as a shock anymore.
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trucks now for sale through pickles auctions
curumulka 34
http://www.pickles.com.au/trucks/item/CP-06-90-Hino-Ranger-Cab-Chassis/itemid-1-502095332/lotid-0
Minlaton 34
http://www.pickles.com.au/trucks/item/CP-12-04-Isuzu-FTS-4-x-4-Cab-Chassis/itemid-1-502095331/lotid-0
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Looks like alot left on board given its up for public auction.
Beacons etc as well as plenty in the cabin shots of the Minlanton appliance.
Is that the norm..???
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The beacons are usually taken off I thought, and thought they removed the CFS logos and stripes (or paint over them!). Also someone from HQ (or the brigade) should go along and swipe back that GRN charger on the front seat of the Minlaton truck.
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yes one would think the hosereels from minlatons truck would make good spares, as well as the beacons, led's etc etc
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I think it may be an insurance issue that everything is left on the appliance. I know when your personal car is involved in an accident the insurance company owns eveything and you have to write to them for permission to remove any part of the vehicle i.e. exhaust, alloy wheels etc.
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I think it may be an insurance issue that everything is left on the appliance. I know when your personal car is involved in an accident the insurance company owns eveything and you have to write to them for permission to remove any part of the vehicle i.e. exhaust, alloy wheels etc.
I though the CFS was self insured?
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Self insurance is for Workers comp - not general insurance.
cheers
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I think it may be an insurance issue that everything is left on the appliance.
no that's not correct (the pump is missing from the rear of the Curramulka truck for a start!).
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Self insurance is for Workers comp - not general insurance.
cheers
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The whole of SA Govt is self insured for general insurance as well. Called SAICORP.
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Plenty on both trucks that might be good spares.
Unfortunately, maintaining a spare parts ware-house requires money & staff.
CFS lacks both.
<speculation based on rubbing shoulders with assorted public servants over many years>...
CFS is probably actively discouraged by public service financial "best practice"
from operating any contingency budget lines other than fire response. So the more
expensive option (commercial new parts & fit) gets the nod. Easier in Department
of Finance Land to account for "replacing something that broke" than for "just
in case".
Also much easier for the Minister to explain to the media in a 3 second sound grab
when some cub reporter goes on a muck-raking expedition, armed solely with SA
Chamber of Commerce dogmas.
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The GRN's are all being replaced, so there is probably no point in grabbing all the spares for a system that will soon be redundant!
Pip
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Bunyip - yes I'm aware of that but for the sake of accuracy (which individuals on this site crave), self insurance only refers to Workers Compensation - as defined under the Workers Rehabilitation & Compensation Act 1986(SA). A lot of large employers use self insurance in SA (including mine). So as I said yes you are correct SA government does cover its own liability thru SAICORP, however "Self insurance" is Workers Comp only. I hope that cleared it all up :-)
cheers
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The GRN's are all being replaced, so there is probably no point in grabbing all the spares for a system that will soon be redundant!
Pip
yeah but not for anything up to 3 years in R1/R2/R5 (timing and order of regions not set yet). And that charger I mentioned for GRN portables still works with the new XTS2500 (I've tried it).
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The GRN's are all being replaced, so there is probably no point in grabbing all the spares for a system that will soon be redundant!
Pip
yeah but not for anything up to 3 years in R1/R2/R5 (timing and order of regions not set yet). And that charger I mentioned for GRN portables still works with the new XTS2500 (I've tried it).
Correct, and im sure a brigade/group could use a spare one.
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There is all of the old Region 6 GRN stuff all stacked up in a storage shed...with nowhere to go......most difficult problem is finding space to store it all, along with the staff to do something with it!!
Pip
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all our old GRN and accesseries were piled in R4 HQ last tiem i was there...plenty of spares for those region not fitted out yet
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send them along to brigades still using the older generation? ;)
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There is all of the old Region 6 GRN stuff all stacked up in a storage shed...with nowhere to go......most difficult problem is finding space to store it all, along with the staff to do something with it!!
Pip
The handhelds could also be reprogrammed for UHFCB and give then another 5+ years life. They make very good 5 watt UHFCB units and could even handle the extra 20+ CB channels when the ACMA releases the new bandplan.
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before you get too excited, all the old GRN radios are being crushed, it's part of the contract with motorola. I think it's wrong but the govt signed the contract.
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before you get too excited, all the old GRN radios are being crushed, it's part of the contract with motorola. I think it's wrong but the govt signed the contract.
I believe only when they are no longed needed or used by the "service", they can not be sold or disposed of in any other way but can be resigned for other communication work outside the GRN allocations by the "service". Ie local UHF simplex communications or say data links etc.
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yeah that's true but for CFS at least is not going to happen (and sounds like a bad idea to me anyway if some "GRN radios" were to be simplex only)
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This thread is off trck prangs to radios! What the?
:-D
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The beacons are usually taken off I thought, and thought they removed the CFS logos and stripes (or paint over them!). Also someone from HQ (or the brigade) should go along and swipe back that GRN charger on the front seat of the Minlaton truck.
both trucks have been strip down now all makings have been painted over and light removed curramulka 34 still has one front flasher and thats it
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trucks now for sale through pickles auctions
curumulka 34
http://www.pickles.com.au/trucks/item/CP-06-90-Hino-Ranger-Cab-Chassis/itemid-1-502095332/lotid-0
Minlaton 34
http://www.pickles.com.au/trucks/item/CP-12-04-Isuzu-FTS-4-x-4-Cab-Chassis/itemid-1-502095331/lotid-0
Anyone have any photos of minlaton 34, They don't seem to be in this link anymore