SA Firefighter

No cause the government cant afford it and volunteers by definition do not get paid...

You may want to note that in many fire services, 'Volunteer' and Retained Staff are one and the same.

Its no real use having ANOTHER arrester bed between the one on Boral corner and the lights. Trucks lose their brakes well before that.

You're going to be hard pressed to find a cheap device that can narrow down exactly what is present.

Your best cost effective solution is something like a multi headed gas detector that will detect O₂ Levels, % LEL's, presence of H₂S and CO. This covers all bases pretty well, and depending on what you get should also tell you your STEL's and TWA's for what ever is in the air.

The MSA Orion 4-head Gas Detector is a pretty good one.

Anything more than a general Gas Detector and you're looking at something really only useful at HAZMAT's and big nasty ones at that. The cost would greatly outweigh the benefits.

Quote from: 6793264 on September 06, 2007, 06:33:17 PM

There are (both on these forums, and in real life) a group of people who take their Firefighting very seriously,

is there also, in your world, the possibility that some people may take themselves just a little bit too seriously?

On this forum? You cannot be serious. Ever.

Just reflect on Thredbo....multiple services all working together to achieve the same outcome...saving a life

Except for the filtered ambos taking the limelight and media spotlight off those who really found Mr. Diver...

But anyhow...

Lets talk about Alarms mainly here. Why is the SOP 2 appliances ONLY? and NOT anything you can get. This time give me good reasons and not poxy "we look like dads army" or " it isn't safe to drive"

I spoke about this with other members and the general consensus was the point of an alarm is that it should detect FIRE hence until you are on scene you assume the building is burning so if enough crew are avalible for 2 trucks TAKE them.

Ok mate, you want to talk about alarms. 99% of the time AFA's are nothing. There is a reason they are nicknamed 'code calls', because of how often the stop message is merely the AIRS code given for the reason of activation of alarm and nothing more. The number of real fires that are AFA's are so very small.

Two applainces is more than enough to merely investigate an alarm sounding with no 000 calls. If you ring Adelaide Fire and they tell you that there are multiple calls for fire and smoke visible, then ok, take the second truck. But for an initial alarm call with no 000 confirmation, you simply don't need more than two trucks.

Even if you arrive, it turns out to be something and you don't think you can handle it with only your two appliances  then get on the radio, upgrade it to a 2nd alarm. In the meantime though you can be doing a whole lot of good with the two crews already on the ground.

Not to mention that the majority of alarms are Smoke Detectors, designed to detect the presence of smoke and also, steam, aerosols, smoke from burnt foodstuffs etc etc... If it was a thermal, of flame detector then yeah, they are designed to detect FIRE and are less likely to active when there is no 'real' fire present.

...got harassed by a large number of RFS members, complaining about their lack of HAZMAT capabilities, but sadly...

This is great, you've got people on here blowing up about local occurences, without sharing the entire story, coupled with the fact they can't string two words together...

Don't worry boys, volunteer emergency services are in good hands in SA!

Sorry, go for the cheap, cut price option that may not get to the job, as evidenced by what occurred in the pages in this thread. Good work

SAMFS does what SES + CFS does, SAAS does the medical side of things...?

Why not get rid of all of them bar SAMFS and SAAS?

As I keep saying people always send two appliances You never know that rubbish fire may just be the Simpson's tyre fire......

But when you have two brigades going... you already have two appliances.

Oh and make sure you respond atleast a 3rd alarm to everything that *could be* something more.

How often does the scheiße hit the fan? Certainly not often enough to warrant a panic every call. Deal with what you have, not what 'might be'

Quote from: 6793264 on September 04, 2007, 04:50:00 PM

Thats right, there is no line between what SES and fire service does. It sits something like this:

|___________What SES Does__________|
 |________________________What the fire service does_________________________|

Notice how nearly everything that the SES does, the fire service does too?

Really, the only thing that the fire service doesn't expressly do is Land search.

Go figure

Not everything.. some forms of rescue the fire service does not have the training or equipment...training levels can be different for the incident type (eg CFS rope rescue compared to SES vertical rescue)

What doesn't the fire service do? Vehicle/Vertical/USAR/Confined Space/Trench, you name it, the fire service (Australia wide) will do it.

There seems to be the suggestion by a few people here that you can't do much at a job with only a couple of pumps. You can extinguish an entire house alight with 2 pumps and 2 lines of 38. You don't need 10 appliances to every job that has some flame in it.

Have you people saying you need a thousand pumps to every job actually seen what a couple and crews and a couple of pumps under *good leadership* can do?