SA Firefighter

I've just read this thread from start to finish, and I don't know guys, it seems to me that you lot should be running SAFECOM and not the other way around. lol 

I will say that from what i've heard from a couple of Burnside members, that your current truck is pretty well stuffed. How long is it going to be 'til you get your new truck?

Looking at october/november 08 all going to plan...

Tatra...filtered!

  Love it!!

Time will tell.

Also i think the issue is more a legal one than mental maturity. If someone is going to be affected by a severe exposure at 16, does that mean that at 18 they are all of a sudden ok with it? No.
At 18, a person is no longer under the legal guardianship of someone else and can make thier own descisions and is responsible for their actions.
For example, if a 16 year old is exposed to a bad situation and has lasting effects, they could probably hold a legal argument that under a duty of care, their guardian (CFS Officer i assume) should not have exposed them to it and is therefore liable. If they are 18, then it is their responsibility legally, not someone elses. Same with injuries, death etc.
That is also part of the reason why there is an age restriction on the courses that require physical "higher risk" activities with potential for injury.

yes south australia is a backwater it is so far behind the rest of australia that its not even in there dust anymore my old town had people fight against getting a pedestrian crossing with stop lights at the high school (this was to make it safer for students to cross a main rd to get to ag and pe) as people didnt understand what they were. same with the other two school crossings the council wanted to make it safer for students to get and from school and classes and the public were against it so yeah its a back water 

SO victoria and NSW have automatic student teleporters across the road in their country towns...? We are not behind. We are smaller. And your old town is even smaller! Of course its going to appear behind.

The comment by our Victorian "friend" was made about Adelaide, not mt Gambier, or Greenpatch, or anywhere other than Adelaide for a start. Yes your small communtiy may be behind. But so are most small towns anywhere in Australia simply due to the size, money income, and demand for change.

Yeah... and boris yeltsin is playing for the crows this season...

Hick
I agree with your information mate, but did not like the way it was initially delivered. I cannot speak for every one here, but i can hazard a guess to what they thought also.
The comment about the brigade I'm from is a bit unnecessary, and shows a lack of anything else to say.
Thankyou for the tip with the spelling too. I'll try harder in future. I'm still on an "A" though aren't I? 
No hard feelings

Relating to hicks flat's comments on the previous page about flow rates etc.
Re-reading the initial statement about forcing 64mm work of water through 50mm increases pressure is correct. When pumping volume, the larger the hose, the less pressure required for the same volume/flow rate, as hick correctly stated. however what the initial comment meant was that if you had fixed pump pressure and branch flow rate on a 64mm line, and you restricted the flow (ie adding a 50mm working length) the pressure inside the hose would increase if nothing else changed. Same as when you knock off a branch, the pressure inside the hose increases (except on a smaller scale as the restriction in flow is minimal)
To explain in a tangable fashion: (figures are not accurate - demo only)
A 64mm hose has a flow rate of 400GPM at 700kPa
A 50mm hose has a flow rate of 400GPM at 800kPa
A 200mm hose has a flow rate of 1500GPM at 700kPa (if the pump could do it!)
In lay terms, to achieve the same volume: the smaller the hose, the higher the pressure.
to achieve a flow rate of 400GPM in 50mm hose, Pressure would have to be 800kPa.
This is based on a branch with fixed flow rates, non adjustable etc (as in basic, hick)

I am also familiar with fluid mechanics my friend, and by over-complicating a simple issue, you have not only made your self seem like a jerk, but actually shown your stupidy in not being able comprehend the initial meaning of the statement. Brainiac...

Another issue to think about with 38's is, especially with trees etc in the path of most hill faces around adelaide is the couplings being so massive. I challenge someone to drag a 38 through a house or up a tree covered hill without having to double back repeatedly to unhook couplings fromm objects. It may be quick to deploy, but is more awkward in action. HP lines have smooth profiled couplings and are more flexible when charged.
 Also make up time is significantly increased with lay-flat hose. This is not only wasting time (especially with work to get back to for volunteers) but also for mobility on the job. If a rapid change in location is required, and you have 4 lengths of 38 out, they have to be left and run the risk of being burn't, lost, and the appliance may run out of hose later. It takes less than 2-3 min's to make up a full 90m of hp line.
Yes they may be expensive initially, but in the big picture, lay flat does not have the endurance of HP line, nor does it have the mobility and ease of operation often required in the foothills or structures.
As for 2 lines, i have been on countless jobs where having 2 hp lines was absolutely vital, and a 38 would have been heavy and unsuitable.
I think the cost cutting of having one HP (not even - most are 25mm low pressure attack lines!) is wasting money and time in the long run.