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Incident Operations / Long Plains silo rescue
« on: December 13, 2005, 08:03:18 AM »
Noticed on the GRN pager website that four CFS brigades(from memory), CFS Burnside and two teams from Tea Tree Gully SES responded to the vertical rescue recovery operation at the Long Plains silo yesterday. gives some details and this incident will now be covered by a coroner's inquest.

A TV news (I think ABC) showed a short segment with people from both organisations working together.

I personally thought it was great to see both organisations working together.

Fire Fighting History / Old equipment on display at Adelaide City Council
« on: December 09, 2005, 09:13:58 AM »
I was walking past the Adelaide City Council customer service centre last night. This is in the walkway between the Pirie St office behind the town hall and the church.

Last night (8th December) the windows displayed old uniforms, photographs and plans of City Council 'decontamination & civil defence' teams.

The photographs include the flat bed trucks the teams travelled in the back and air shelters within the city square.

Equipment on display includes a helmet and breathing mask with a cloth bag.

I do not know when the display will be changed, but it is definitely worth a look at how far we have come in equipment since the war years.

SA Firefighter General / Re: Google Earth
« on: December 08, 2005, 08:47:23 AM »
New version of the googleearth.exe software has been released from This is a 11,541 Kb download.

I was using an older version, but with the update that I downloaded this morning, business labels are now working.

After installing the update, your placenames are not changed which is good.

Adelaide hills are still not in detail but other parts of the state seem available.

Andrew Mac

The Humour Zone / Re: Sometimes Appropriate
« on: December 06, 2005, 10:17:03 AM »
Is there a website address that you can view the above cartoons on ?

SA Firefighter General / Re: SAAS Responding Other Services..
« on: December 06, 2005, 10:04:14 AM »
Isn't this the purpose of SACAD being created ? :?

I thought that SACAD is to create a system (incl SOP, computer, processes, staffing, SLA, etc) so that all four emergency services have the same call receipt and dispatch system as well as standard processes.

The process of call taking triage and action to be taken by the operator is the difficult item that SES are currently reviewing.

For example, if a person calls with a tree down on the ground tasking, no (gas water electricity) services involved and SES SCC answers the call, the caller will be advised to contact tree lopper contractors. Not an emergency call.

A sample computer system that I have seen (I work for a company who has responded to the tender) thus far would allow an SAAS or SAFECOM operator to select all services required (be that SAAS, SES, CFS, MFS) at the same time to be alerted.

This hopefully will stop the problem of telephoning the other service Operations Control Centre, repeating the incident details via the telephone and then crews of that service being alerted. How long does that process currently take ?

My personal experience is that the SAAS operators do a great job under high stress. They need to calm and advise the caller of medical conditions, triage, etc, etc. This assisted my wife during a family emergency when an ambulance was required.

Rather than turning this thread into a 'SAAS Caller dispatcher' bashing (which I personally think it is getting close to), how about we acknowledge problems exist and think of ways around the problem !! :|

SA Firefighter General / Re: Google Earth
« on: November 30, 2005, 12:15:44 PM »
Google Earth is great on a broadband internet link and it is free. But everything free as some limitations.

The images are old and are not updated until the next aerial mapping photographs are done. They seem to be updating USA before anywhere else.

Not all areas of South Australia are covered. The Adelaide hills region (eg Norton Summit) is useless.

But it is great to see buildings, tracks and road layouts as it was before an incident happens.

I have checked Google Earth pictures and printed out some of an area of the Onkaparinga George. This was after being part of a team conducting a search. Did not think of it before reponding to the pager.

I have also used Google Earth before starting a shift in the Virginia SES Field Command during the flooding and before completing a bushwalk

The aerial pictures (esp when tilted)gives you a different perspective of an area when compared to topographical maps. But I would not trust the accuracy.

Other Government Agencies / SES SHQ & SCC move
« on: November 30, 2005, 11:51:15 AM »
Not sure if the SES move should be a new topic. Will leave it to the moderators.

Last weekend the SES State Headquarters staff moved to Level 10, CPS Building. The CPS Building is on Waymouth street slightly towards King William St from the CFS building.

The Level 10 office area in the CPS Building is under an existing government lease for another organisation. But the  organisation was closed, so the office area was vacant.

SES SCC are in the process of moving from the shared Operations Room and will occupy a set of desks on Level 7 if the SES volunteers are activated. This is temporary setup until the new SES SCC is built in the MFS building.

The priority is for CFS SCC to be re-built first, then SES SCC. Also with the lack of available builders the temporary facility for SES SCC will be used until March 2006.

The new SES SCC will be good and has been designed with input from the SES State HQ Unit volunteers who mann the facility. Previously the space in the MFS building was the MFS Library.

The move is for multiple reasons. I have been advised some are:
* CFS SHQ need more room so that staff are located in a common area.
* CFS Operations Management were occupying a Conference Room on Level 7 during the last few months. The CFS will be revamping the expanded CFS SCC space so that the OCO's have better layout and the Operations Management area are included in the one area.
* SES is a seperate entity under new SAFECOM legislation and CFS need more office space. It is more logical for CFS to use existing facilities and SES to occupy smaller office space premisies. So SES moved.
* SES SCC is moving to MFS to take advantage of fibre voice cable to GRN and is part of the contract agreement.
* SES 'business as usual' call receipt & dispatch will move to MFS under a contract agreement. The CFS OCO's were doing the task under a 'gentlemans agreement'. The change will not occur until the new SES SCC is built and completed. This is anticipated in March 2006.
* This is all part of the SAFECOM and SACAD changes.

Incident Operations / Re: lightning strikes...
« on: November 28, 2005, 04:18:30 PM »
GRN pager site detailed several CFS Units responded for fires during the afternoon. I believe they were small compared to the Bute fire.

SES Operations volunteers activated at 1640pm to take SES load from CFS OCO's by manning our own telephones. Calls coming into SES for damage in Port Augusta and other towns.

Calls handed back to CFS OCO's at approximately 2100.

So the CFS crews were busy.

Other Government Agencies / Re: What the SES does
« on: November 23, 2005, 03:54:19 PM »
May I suggest that people have a look at the new websites of or for details.

SA Firefighter General / Re: Combining the services
« on: November 23, 2005, 08:59:40 AM »
Hopefully the SAFECOM will remove some more duplication in admin, training & facilities for all services.

I have joined this website yesterday (22/11/2005) and am a SES volunteer in metro Adelaide. I have not fully read history of each forum yet.

But majority of the postings seem to be that the CFS history of Brigade management would be adopted. I could be wrong & would interested in reading comments.

From a volunteer Unit or Brigade management level, would CFS brigades be happy to give up some of their history in the way they operate. For example, in SES the Unit Managers are appointed, in CFS the brigade votes.

This is one example of the differences in heritage that would need to be resolved in any combination.

Personally, I believe the three SAFECOM organisations are too different to merge fully. I believe this was tried many years ago and failed.

Would a CFS brigade that merged with a SES Unit at volunteer management level accept that the ex-SES Unit Manager was appointed in charge of the new volunteer organisation ?

How would the amount of training each organisations volunteer members be assisted if we combined ? I am struggling to keep my six SES certificate qualifications valid and expand to new knowledge areas as is.

My suggestion would be to embrace the differences and continue the process to share facilities and recognise each organisations unique abilities via SAFECOM.

My thoughts & opinions only.

Andrew Mac

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