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Country Fire Service / Re: cfs volunteers
« on: October 04, 2007, 10:31:55 AM »
I have a feeling things are moving in a whole lot of areas. Have you guys seen the letter from the minister yet? If you haven't you will it was addressed directly to all unit managers/Deputy UM's & brigade captains (or maybe Group Officers)but was to be circulated to everyone. Basically it thanks all vollies for there efforts, mentions David Place's new position(nice to find that out in the media first),mentions the two year review, touchs on the up comming fire season, hints at some changes that will improve things for vollies & their employers which we will know about before the end of the year & finally (which I found a bit strange & when I told my guys they laughed) that even though there is a chain of command - you can always talk to her or her assistant directly. So taking all of that into account & the fact that this years SES UM's conference is a two day open forum (with trade show), instead of the usual stage managed affair (which we are being very strongly encouraged to attend). Plus some other meetings I've been to recently, hints at a major change coming. I'm not sure what that change/ changes will be but I reckon you will see your Adelaide based strike teams, but as you said they need to be happening soon. And this year for the first time the local CFS guys & us are already having discussions around what type of support we can provide (& no not catering :wink:), which in the past didn't happen until we were needed (we provide boats, flotation pumps etc). So I guess its watch this space and hope that the wheels of bureaucracy don't turn too slow. Cheers

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SASES / Re: RCR jackets
« on: October 04, 2007, 10:02:43 AM »
Don't know mate, I suspect they may be a bit similar to our overall/ two piece gear looks good brand new but stains easily. As I said before I got two sets in as a trial (was really disappointed they only had the very large off the peg so way to big for me :wink:)and the guys won't let go of them, so I think it will some time before we get a good indication on wear, durability & whether they stay looking good. And at three times the cost of the Rainbird jackets, I'm concerned about those factors; but I will let you know how they stack up. It was a pity that the liner can't be removed though, as it would make them more versitile (when we were in Newcastle NSW SES had a similar jacket that they wear like a CFS turn out coat- it was the only good bit of gear they had) ideal for those times when its a bit chilly, but not enough for a full blown coat. May be if our Hq people decide to buy them, then that decision will change

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All Equipment discussion / Re: StabFast
« on: October 04, 2007, 09:45:59 AM »
I was talking to Rod Wells from PT last week & he told me about the demo @ Pirie. He is a good bloke and you should find it interesting, for SES UM's there is a trade show being put on at the State conference inwhich PT will be showing some stuff. Back to the stabilisers though we still carry the FARA's on our truck as well as the light (quick) response they are still a good bit of kit and they are lighter (plus we own them now so what else do you do with them?) the guys still practice with them & for most stuff they are fine.cheers

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ALL Rescue / Re: 'Heavy' Rescue
« on: October 03, 2007, 09:06:43 PM »
Short answer is none. SES RCR units are issued the Lukas LSP40 EN spreaders.Spreading force up to 230(51,700)kN(lbs), Squeezing force (with squeezing attachment) up to 110(24,700)kN(lbs). The confusion comes from the new issue Cutters that have been issued to some units. They are the Lukas 501 EN cutters, they have a Cutting force up to 680 (152,900) kN (lbs)i.e 70 Tonnes. Units are issued their major equipment by state HQ & the above equipment plus a Trimo pump & LZR 12 Ram. This equipment plus the Stabfast stabilization gear is the standard issue for SES RCR units however please note that not all units have this gear yet due to the costs. I was fortunate enough to have been part of the unit which trialled this gear, houses the Road Crash training truck & the controller is a lead trainer and member of the RCR subject matter advisory group. The SMAG settled on the above equipment level (personally I find the 501 cutters a bit of overkill for the unit I'm now in charge of - if I needed the heavy cutters just need to call one of the three neighbouring units, but you never knock anything back). We also have back up sets of various kinds. In closing it would be great if people check their facts prior to making such statements as it is embarrassing for our service. Hope this clears up any mis information RescueHazmat & Mundcfs I personally think the LS330's are great (I might actually have a set on my quick response - I did say might :-D) cheers
 

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Country Fire Service / Re: cfs volunteers
« on: October 03, 2007, 08:20:33 PM »
Love to see that holding a charged line in one hand and a set of lukus spreaders in the other - super vollie lol

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SASES / Re: curious about level of radio traffic
« on: October 03, 2007, 06:28:20 PM »
Mate as someone who was around when the idea of the new callsigns was discussed in our part of the region (which is because we are running out of numbers) I would like to set the record straight - it was only floated as a discussion paper, unfortunately it got out to a wider audience to answer your question Kapunda potentially would have Kapunda 91, 92, 93 hope this helps cheers

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SASES / Re: rope rescue qualifications
« on: October 03, 2007, 06:16:30 PM »
Guys, vertical courses are happening have a look at the state training program. The RCR course meets the National competency (you don't need to be an accredited training organisation to deliver the training only to issue the certificates with the National competency number & the little badge) SES has recently gone through the final stages of becoming an RTO, so far everything is looking good. So once the SES is an RTO those who have successfully completed the RCR course will be issued another certificate with the number and little symbol so hang loose it will happen soon. Another course which will meet the same criteria is the new map reading & navigation courses. Sesrcrrescue the RCR course is harder now, because too many slipped through in the dim dark past, at least now I as well as everyone else can be confident that people who pass the course are competent, not just pushed through to help units meet the standards, help mates out etc. It has caused a lot of pain to those involved with providing the training, developing the package & units/individuals who have suddenly realised they can no longer perform RCR. But the pain has been worth it, same as the Vertical Mobility Course and others that are coming (including Navigation). So the short of it is courses are only cancelled due to lack of numbers or qualified trainers, so SES people get those nominations in so we can get training happening (also concider becoming trainers yourselves as there is not enough of us) cheers

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SASES / Re: RCR jackets
« on: October 03, 2007, 05:57:47 PM »
Squiddy, the jackets are DALE from Fire and Rescue(COST $305 each) they are not issued, they are a bit like CFS turn out jackets but with a sewn in water proof liner (tried to get one with a zipout liner for when we suport CFS in summer - no go orders from above). And you have to supply the shoulder patches, we got two for a trial and the blokes wouldn't take them off :-) so we are getting some more. They are brilliant however due to cost will only be issued to the RCR qualified guys not to those who are not in the hot zone (pardon the pun). they are better wearing than the Rain birds (don't tear etc & won't srinkwrap to you if things suddenly get hot). Having been to an MVA that involved incinerations I decided we should have this level of protection in winter. Hope this answered your questions. cheers

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All Equipment discussion / Re: StabFast
« on: October 03, 2007, 05:45:24 PM »
Back to the Stabfast - we have both (Stabfast & Fara). Didn't think much of the Stabfast until we did a job where the car was above us (crew ambo & driver) sitting on its side. While we were working on the driver (who was out of the vehicle), the rest of the crew used the two Stabfast on the shiney side (something you can't do with the FARA's) so I had to eat humble pie cause that car didn't move, Stabfast took about three minutes to set up with a good crew ( we had some guys from Barmera with us & they are good - real good)& we felt perfectly safe. And they do another great trick, you can link them to each other and physically lift a car thats on it roof when you do an oyster lift (not recommended by maker though) As I said now I swear by them (heavy but) so much so I told the guys at PT hydraulics how impressed I am with. So hopefully you guys  in CFS will get them too. cheers

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Country Fire Service / Re: cfs volunteers
« on: October 03, 2007, 05:26:36 PM »
Its not just your association that has an identity crisis sometimes & for the same reasons payed for by the government, represents a large group of people with different needs, join the service & you are a member of the association (compulsory unionism?) and dare I say it - staffed by vollies. Look at any union including the UFU payed for by members, payed staff and definite agendas. When as a group (some time ago)several units decided that state HQ & the association didn't know what it was doing, several options were discussed to make people sit up & take notice, after discussing several options & keeping in mind what happened in the Adelaide Hills (not wanting to drag that one up again but it serves as a warning to all)only one option we thought would work - withdraw our labour (which is what the unions use as its prime weapon afterall). And after careful consideration of the consequences & the impact on our communities, the idea was dropped (very quickly like a poisoned challis)- after all our complaints were serious but not enough to risk our families, friends and neighbours. And the government knows this, thats why they cut budgets, do backflips and will never pay vollies because they know that every time the pager goes off, someone will turn up - might take several pages & many brigades/units but crews will turn up. So I guess unless you want to do what your counterparts in the ACT did, you guys will be having this argument for some time to come. cheers

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SA Firefighter General / Re: Mt Gambier MFS doing RCR for 30KM
« on: October 03, 2007, 12:07:56 PM »
My thoughts exactly, if managed well dispatching the fulltime crew makes sense. Just going from past experience - things are never managed well & there is definitely some "history" down there, when this issue was raised at the conference, I didn't think it was a bad idea, until all of those issues I mentioned previously came up. And then it was quietly mentioned about something that happened in the past - couldn't find out what exactly or when (you know these things can go on for years in country towns & no one knows what started it or why). Up here we work well with the Mets (we even take turns on who is going to baby sit the scene until the towies show up), but in the past there has been some bad blood; usually caused by strong personalities, lack of understanding of how each other works & yes a bit of empire building. As I have said previously I was considering handing the RCR role over to our local MFS brigade, until we did the SWOT analysis (strengths, weaknesses, outcomes, threats) & the problems outway-ed the benefits. So I guess that all of those things need to be considered,open & honest communication with all of those involved & then proper detailed planning initiated prior to any change. As an aside this process needs to be conducted for all of the emergency services, in all areas of the state as a matter of urgency. As things currently stand there isn't a clear plan & those things that were promised when SAFECOM was formed (reduced duplication, clear direction etc) just hasn't occurred. For example if you read the Green book (RCR directory) it states that combitools do not meet the standard, yet my backup unit according to the directory is the local MFS (which I don't have a problem with)- but they don't meet the equipment standard. So when I need back up or default the page I call the closest SES unit which is against what the directory states - could be a source of conflict? These are the issues that need to be dealt with in a holistic way prior to any change down the Mount or anywhere else for that matter. Sorry for the long reply, just there has been too many knee jerk reactions in the past, which we all pay for eventually. - chook

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SA Firefighter General / Re: Mt Gambier MFS doing RCR for 30KM
« on: October 02, 2007, 11:22:54 PM »
Yep understand that & on the surface it makes sense. However fully equipped RCR resources are expensive to equip & train so in this era of cost cutting & avoiding duplication it doesn't make take too much imagination to see what is the next step. Having recently taken over a unit which @ the time did not and could not meet the standard, I among others seriously considered handing over RCR to the local MFS brigade (retained)so I have no issues with Mets doing RCR not until you look at other issues - lack of crews, priorities etc. So back to the Mount,Day time no dramas if in town What happens at night? Why use SES if a fully equipped Red truck is sitting in the shed? What happens if the day crew is already committed to other tasks? Use retained How many retained are at the Mount? Is the cap going to be increased? Use SES - Will local SES members stay if they know they are only playing second fiddle to payed emergency services & only at night and on weekends? Will SAFECOM ensure SES local equipment levels are maintained if they are not being utilized? I'm not sure that many people outside of SES RCR units realise we have gone through a lot of pain in the last few years to lift the bar so to speak in training & equipment. All members of RCR teams must do the new national competency course for RCR & we must resit for assessment every three years. And before anyone mentions the logbooks as someone who did the course on logbooks its not as simple as it sounds. Also every unit in East region has been audited against the standard and obviously any deficiencies must be rectified. So considering all of the above, Why would a unit who only conducts RCR operations when others can't- bother? Remember the reason vollies do emergency service work is not tied to pay levels & for most of us it costs us a lot more than non vollies realise ( including the minister & CEO's). So I understand why the guys in the Mount are a tad nervous & what looks like a simple solution on the surface has some implications which may turn around and bite if not carefully thought through. Cheers Chook

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SA Firefighter General / Re: Mt Gambier MFS doing RCR for 30KM
« on: October 01, 2007, 07:53:53 PM »
Hi guys, been reading posts on here for some time & after reading this topic thought I'd better comment. First sesrescue rescue5271 had already said what a great job we do so don't get so defensive, Second I was at a conference where this(Mets taking over RCR) was mentioned by their Unit Manager & everyone there told him it is not a done deal & as was mentioned in previous posts there is a process that must be followed, Third bajdas from what was said at the conference they were planning on attending incidents as rescuers & paging their retained as fire cover - ergo after hours the retained guys would have a truck with a full RCR kit (normal retained trucks don't- combitools don't meet the standard) be trained & as you may very well know the number and types of tasks impact our budgets. So eventhough it sounds like a great idea in Adelaide, I would be concerned if I was the UM @ the Mount. Finally recent experience up here has shown that just because you are paid does not guarantee full crews (Retained), remember you need 3 rescuers plus fire cover for RCR. So If it was a full time 24 hr a day seven days a week service fine, but as its not leave it be.
Anyway those are my thoughts cheers

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