SA Firefighter
General Discussion => SA Firefighter General => Topic started by: rescue5271 on June 15, 2006, 03:46:11 PM
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We have been having a few problems when we turn out from our station with lights and siren going, cars,bikes,trucks and those on feet dont stop??? It has been a on going problem for sometime and we sure would like to have a set of flashing lights out the front of our station so as to warn people/cars that we are coming out..does anyone else have this problem? if so what have you done about it? we will be sending in near miss forms from now on and see if this helps...
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Just pull out in front of them....KIDDING :-D
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If you have seen video's of yanks responding when they get traffic or people in the way they lean out the window and scream blue murder at them. That can work, toot the horn, yell, blast the siren.
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Pity you cannot transfer the spare set of emergency wig-wags lights that are currently installed on Main North Road, Prospect. They are not being used because Prospect SES moved LHQ's years ago from the council depot, but the lights were never taken down.
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We have yelled, pulled out in front and they still kept coming,sad part one night I was driving to a chimney fire at the pub lights and siren on and a CFS command car would not stop that was driving up smith st, going to the regional office for a farewell party.........
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Isnt it a legal requirement for acrs to give way to all emergency vehicles with flashing lights.
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We had the problem of brigade members not hearing their pager go off and only hearing the station siren sounding but were aware of what was going on... so we had a red beacon installed just outside the station door on the gutter so when the siren is manually activated the beacon turns on
This helps us alot with controlling traffic that drives by the station if were ready to roll as the cars & trucks can see the red beacon going signalling were about to roll out of the station
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Isnt it a legal requirement for acrs to give way to all emergency vehicles with flashing lights.
Not when you're trying to get home from work :-D
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if there not going to stop for lights sirens/air horn on the truck then nothing is going to make any differance mate
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Pity you cannot transfer the spare set of emergency wig-wags lights that are currently installed on Main North Road, Prospect. They are not being used because Prospect SES moved LHQ's years ago from the council depot, but the lights were never taken down.
dont like to correct people but the lights you are talking about are in use by mfs, had to stop at them the other day
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We have the same problem with people ignoring us, not only exiting the station but at every intersection...
I get the impression people think they can do what they like around the CFS as we can't do anything to them. Everyone drives well around police cars..
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It would be handy for a brigade to have an off duty cop on their trucks when stupid stuff goes down they can always have stern words or act afterwards???? I've been given the finger a couple times because i tooted some idiot as i went past because it took them about a km to move out of the way.
Just put the cctv system into appliance's and get non compliant drivers on tape. :-D
NOT IN OUR LIFETIMES :lol:
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Pity you cannot transfer the spare set of emergency wig-wags lights that are currently installed on Main North Road, Prospect. They are not being used because Prospect SES moved LHQ's years ago from the council depot, but the lights were never taken down.
dont like to correct people but the lights you are talking about are in use by mfs, had to stop at them the other day
I am glad you did correct me. Now I have learnt something new that a MFS station exists near that location. Thanks.
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All well and good to pull out in front etc but if they hit you its your fault...go figure.
With the sound proofing and idiocy of drivers and doof doof music its no wonder people dont listen/pay attention to sirens. Cant say we have had a hell of a lot of trouble.
Also wondering whether the sirens on CFS trucks are up to scratch as well....seem alot quieter then the other services. or maybe its just our truck or im going deaf could be any of them.
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same issue for all services i think, except police command a little more respect, since they can actually do something about it...
mind you i can never hear saas/samfs/sapol when im driving even without the radio turned on... i usually see the lights first.
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Ok first problem the public think we are council trucks no fire appliances.
If you are having problems with being seen your brigade should seriously consider upgrading your lights/warning devices and striping. Look at appliances like Mt Barker pumper and Rescue which have been upgraded from standard lighting they stand out a lot more. Also I know Mt Barker have lights on their station and on Adelaide road warning emergency vehicles entering.
For Info and prices on lighting check out -http://www.emergencyandsafety.com.au/
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aaah but what to do when you get knocked back anyway?
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16T truck versus a 1.5T car... I rekon I know who will move first !
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especially with some of the great bullbars being used out there...
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It would be great to upraged the lighting but with what "Trading Stamps"??
But if you look at most of the trucks bought out nowadays all the flashing led's and the like are positioned just under the windscreen and invisible to the car in front unless you sit back 100m from the car. So why don't the CFS use their head and put all of these fantastic Hi Visibility flashers in the grill of the truck or someplace lower where they can be seen at eye level easier???
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Because that would require CFS to realise trucks are higher then most cars and especially in the new 4wd appliances they are way too high. best place is the bullbar or grill so they are at eye level. :mrgreen:
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Agree, but forward thinking would be too hard to do... If you look at the led's on the front of the new 34 appliance's they actually point outward not straight forward because they've been placed on a curved surface. Jackasses....
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How many appliances come with headlight flashers? Fantastic during the day for attracting attention. How about the white response lights aimed at alerting drivers to the responding appliance? Both of these cause an obvious flash in the rear view mirror of other cars (having been subjected to it myself). Are these becoming standard with the introduction of bar lights and V-lights?
In terms of the siren, I was coming up Glen Osmond rd. the other night with 441 coming toward me P1. Oddly the siren was no where near as loud as I had suspected it would be.
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In terms of the siren, I was coming up Glen Osmond rd. the other night with 441 coming toward me P1. Oddly the siren was no where near as loud as I had suspected it would be.
its all physics...
re; headlight flashers... im under the impression they are standard on every CFS appliance.
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Headlight flashers should be on all appliances, if you don't have them jump onto your group or region and get them fitted for extra safety devices. As soon as you mention safety you will push the issue more. All brigades that work on major roads/freeways can push this safety point a lot, crews safety come first...
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Ok first problem the public think we are council trucks no fire appliances.
If you are having problems with being seen your brigade should seriously consider upgrading your lights/warning devices and striping. Look at appliances like Mt Barker pumper and Rescue which have been upgraded from standard lighting they stand out a lot more. Also I know Mt Barker have lights on their station and on Adelaide road warning emergency vehicles entering.
For Info and prices on lighting check out -http://www.emergencyandsafety.com.au/
Seriously Man No Offence but just because it isnt a Dennis or a Scania does not mean its not a fire truck!
Give me an izuzu over our hino anyday!
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Barker rescue is an Izuzu.
I think the reference to trucks was souly identifying the fact about lighting, not the make of truck. (Another thing I like on the Mt. Barker Dennis is the High Vis striping on the back, very effective in my opinion and should be introduced firstly onto all appliances working in built up and highway areas, and then across the board.)
The coucil truck comment is fair (and im guessing in good humour), as heck, our trucks are white ! If we had skyjets people would think the cherry picker from the local council was arriving on scene..
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Barker rescue is an Izuzu.
If we had skyjets people would think the cherry picker from the local council was arriving on scene..
ETSA!!!!!
Norton Summit have an "etsa" truck dont they with a lift on the back?
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I know MAWSON tanker has a mini crane for the portable dam.
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Barker rescue is an Izuzu.
I think the reference to trucks was souly identifying the fact about lighting, not the make of truck. (Another thing I like on the Mt. Barker Dennis is the High Vis striping on the back, very effective in my opinion and should be introduced firstly onto all appliances working in built up and highway areas, and then across the board.)
The coucil truck comment is fair (and im guessing in good humour), as heck, our trucks are white ! If we had skyjets people would think the cherry picker from the local council was arriving on scene..
Yeah fair enough maybe i over reacted....I dont mind the look of our trucks....Bit different which is good
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In terms of the siren, I was coming up Glen Osmond rd. the other night with 441 coming toward me P1. Oddly the siren was no where near as loud as I had suspected it would be.
its all physics...
re; headlight flashers... im under the impression they are standard on every CFS appliance.
Wow, yes, doppler effect you don't say.
Ok first problem the public think we are council trucks no fire appliances.
If you are having problems with being seen your brigade should seriously consider upgrading your lights/warning devices and striping. Look at appliances like Mt Barker pumper and Rescue which have been upgraded from standard lighting they stand out a lot more.
What upgrading is this that the Barker trucks have? The have lightbars/front facing strobes/headlight flashers... What is different to anyother CFS appliance? (Yes the Dennis has side facing red/blue lights but hey, thats what you get with a purpose built fire appliance)
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Also wondering whether the sirens on CFS trucks are up to scratch as well....seem alot quieter then the other services.
I thought all emergency services sirens have to be below a certain volume for EPA reasons, and so the sirens are quiter now than they used to be. I know ours aren't that loud, but it always feels like ours are louder than SAAS and SAPOL...
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Depends what speakers and power etc etc..
Some sirens may be able to produce 200w but if the speakers are twin 35w speakers it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out its going to be quiet.
I saw a link on the site earlier, http://www.emergencyandsafety.com.au - I looked on the site and there is heaps of products and info about lights and sirens.
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Barker took their mini-bar lights off their rescue and fitted a full length bar with a clear lens in the middle it is very effective..
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I was unaware that it was not standard. Clear lenses are fantastic.
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Norton Summit have an "etsa" truck dont they with a lift on the back?
negative...
theres no such thing in the CFS... should be though.
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^^ Is he talking a skyjet or lift as in mini crane ??
As Mawson tanker has a mini version of a crank (sort of like the finger on 204) for lifting the port. dam off the truck to ground and visa versa.
Yep, white light definately does the trick !
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I reckon he was talking about a skyjet type setup....
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10-4K
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Sorry I wasnt clear enough in my post. I have seen somewhere a CFS appliance set up like an ETSA truck with a bucket and crane set up on the back. Think it was from one of the eastern brigades.
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Sorry I wasnt clear enough in my post. I have seen somewhere a CFS appliance set up like an ETSA truck with a bucket and crane set up on the back. Think it was from one of the eastern brigades.
A metro SES unit had one of these, not sure if they still have it?
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Sorry I wasnt clear enough in my post. I have seen somewhere a CFS appliance set up like an ETSA truck with a bucket and crane set up on the back. Think it was from one of the eastern brigades.
Um, wasn't CFS... None in the fleet state wide.
You sure it wasn't Etsa ???
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Could've sworn it was CFS but maybe not.... Wasnt an ETSA truck, maybe it was SES. :|
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You sure you're not thinking of a photo that did the rounds of a 24p or 34p waiting to be delivered that had an ETSA truck or similar in the background. You had to look twice before you realised what was up.... :-D
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^^lol
that could be what hes thinking of... from memory that was norton summit 34p
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(http://www.safirefighter.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10029/34P6.jpg)
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Thats the one! :lol:
Now I can see it is two different trucks.....my bad. :mrgreen:
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lol
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Warning lights on the appliances definately needs improving.... personnaly I think the vectors are most impressive. The Dennis and Stirling Pumper stand out very nicly driving down the road.
The LED Lighting is a vast improvement on the old incandesant style, but I wonder if their heads are screwed on when placing them....
all been said before.....
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Aren't the vectors extremely expensive???
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not as expensive as a strobe system...
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Sorry I wasnt clear enough in my post. I have seen somewhere a CFS appliance set up like an ETSA truck with a bucket and crane set up on the back. Think it was from one of the eastern brigades.
A metro SES unit had one of these, not sure if they still have it?
Western Adelaide SES (LHQ on Marion Road, near Sir Donald Brabham Dve) have a truck mounted cherry picker. Just recently been upgraded to include a small manual crane and stowage.
Unit members have also recently been trained in the commercial 'working from heights' qualification.
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Any pics mate ? ^^
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would be nice if SES had an equivelant of the CFS Promotions Site.... a project for you perhaps Andrew... :wink:
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would be nice if SES had an equivalent of the CFS Promotions Site.... a project for you perhaps Andrew... :wink:
Working on the idea for a while now. Just need a cheap hosting site (read free) and use of the old SASES domain or SASESVA domain. Most probably setup on a home server to gage support of Units and SASESVA.
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Try getting some low level funding and we will help!
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SAFECOM Forum maybe ???
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Andrew while you're at it why not setup a forum like this one for the SES as well, It's pretty straight forward to get going and I'm sure they would have just as much stuff to chat about as us.
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Or just make an SES section in this one ??
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Andrew while you're at it why not setup a forum like this one for the SES as well, It's pretty straight forward to get going and I'm sure they would have just as much stuff to chat about as us.
There used to be a Yahoo Group for SASES volunteers about a year ago. This has been closed down.
Currently a Yahoo Group for SES volunteers nationally, exists which is interesting to compare issues with interstate colleagues.
I don't believe we would get enough support for a state based SES forum/BLOG, or knowledge of the website existence, unless it was supported by SHQ or SASESVA publicity.
Has StrikeThird pointed out, I will keep discussing the orange side of the SA Emergency services on this forum.
I would prefer to see a BLOG/Forum/website for all people involved in the SA Emergency services field (eg fire, rescue, sea, surf, medical, govt, training, comms, etc, etc). But this would need publicity support from the agencies to its members, rather than rely on 'word of mouth' publicity.
But I believe this form of 'volunteer communication' has been rejected by management because of past fears & failings (people got upset by items posted & retribution action occurred).
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There used to be a Yahoo Group for SASES volunteers about a year ago. This has been closed down.
i remember hearing about that, there ended up being a few 'trolls' on there that were taking very nasty shots at staff members, got closed down very quickly...
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This website isn't condoned by CFSHQ but it did have an article in Volunteer magazine a couple of months ago... That's enough publicity IMO... :D
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I don't know if it's law for them to stop but it might be worth a call to a RO and ask...if someone speeds past an incident with lights going, you can report them...would it be any different.
Wouldn't look good to take out another vehicle on the way to an incident..
You also have to consider that some people panic when they see lights and sirens and honestly, don't know what to do..
and that unless you are close or directly in front of the appliance, it's hard to hear in your car..unless you have the windows down..
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better still could get smokey out there with a baseball bat and some rocks(joke)....
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
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better still could get smokey out there with a baseball bat and some rocks(joke)....
Had a police officer tell us yesterday at an accident scene if someone wont slow down to throw rocks at them.
As much fun as it would be id be hoping he was joking.
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Well they just made new laws to jail rock throwers... Which will include that stupid cop if he was even half serious !
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mmm... have had several coppers get quite abusive with people whilst assisting me with traffic when i was a probie... they really have quite a go at people...
was hilarious when a lady turned up at the turnaround point (road completely blocked off for major crash) and she was on her mobile... copper went right off at her, yelling cos she wouldnt turn around, threatened to book her for talking on her phone, then when she continued to ignore him, threw the book at her, inlcuding reckless drivingi think.... was funny as to watch...
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I guess when you constantly have to put up with that kind of crap it would wear you down eventually. Anyone watch Motorway Patrol, the crap and ignorant drivers the cops deal with is horrendous, and rather amusing. :-P
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i have been to numerous accident scenes and fire scenes where cars have not being doing 40kph and the cops just ignore them.
Unless there is a donut attatched to the car i guess its not worth the effort? (Sorry If this Offends anyone but im sick of this happening!)
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There's a few coppers on this forum...
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On the South Eastern freeway, the police tried setting up radars at incidents for a while, but its far too dangerous... Cars see the speed radar and slow down, only to be rear ended by the people behind them. Caused more trouble than it was worth. At one MVA, one of the coppers sat back and looked at speeds, but didn't pull anyone over - The fastest he saw was 140 Kph - that's someone driving past the incident, with one lane blocked.... Is it a public awareness issue?
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off topic a bit, when cars are going to fast just make out that you are going to drop the STOP/SLOW sign on the car, wave it at them on a angle , it works
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Is it a public awareness issue?
i was under the impression that people wer e just F-wits in general.
they know the law
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At one MVA, one of the coppers sat back and looked at speeds, but didn't pull anyone over - The fastest he saw was 140 Kph - that's someone driving past the incident, with one lane blocked....
See that really shits me. How can a Police Officer just ignore that? Its total BS!
There are ways to make it safer but i think they just choose not to do it!
Like its not hard to have a radar setup at the scene (hidden) and then have a couple of patrol cars further down the road to pull them over. Even if its just to warn them!
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There's a few coppers on this forum...
If these people wish to take it up with me privately im more than happy to discuss the issue. And im not saying all coppers are like this but i know a fair portion!
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off topic a bit, when cars are going to fast just make out that you are going to drop the STOP/SLOW sign on the car, wave it at them on a angle , it works
not always!
had a woman ran over an eflare at an RCR on a real dark night, turns out she was yapping on the phone. typical moron driver.
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Was at a RCR today,lady drove through road block cops took number and booked her...... about time
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Yes, perhaps if more were booked they would think twice about doing it...
It's easy for Rural guys to forget that they aren't in a paddock and there is traffic to consider sometimes too..
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Was at a RCR today,lady drove through road block cops took number and booked her...... about time
had a drunk ignore our traffic control and continue through a while back... CFS OIC blasted her, SAAS blasted her (after almost being run over) and then the copper blasted her and booked her... mind you she was fairly well pissed...
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^^originially we thought it was just a case of DWF before we found out she was DUI also...
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Reading this thread has confirmed my own thoughts as an appliance driver...the public are all STUPID :x
Take their vehicle details and report them everytime after an incident and eventually the Police will have a blitz on it :evil:
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yes the public is stupid, we once had this person stop in the middle of the road instead of pulling over :-o
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Thats where the monitor comes in use to push them off the road :lol:
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Some time ago I did an exercise with Virginia CFS regarding the lights fitted to appliances in particular the 24P's when thay first came out,highlighting the inadequacy of the revolving beacons fitted to them,after a near miss when a vehicle almost took the nose off our appliance going to a job.
Nothing short of slapping a hazard notice on the vehicle we did the following to Virginia's appliance as a trial.
Fitted 2 x Mini Viewpoints to the roof red/blue with clear oscillators 2 x GS2 strobes to the front steps,2 x Strobes to the rear in place of the old Hella cheapies.Result 360 degree vision and instant recognition of the appliance from all sides.
Arthur from CFS HQ was told of the trial to which he said yes you can put them on but at BRIGADES EXPENSE :x
Good to see they expect the public to see a Hella beacon in daylight 10 feet above the road..gotta wonder :-(
IM SORRY OFFICER BUT I DIDNT SEE THE FIRETRUCK!!!!!