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Equipment => All Equipment discussion => Topic started by: JamesGar on April 21, 2005, 07:40:21 PM
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If you haven't found it yet there are plans for the New 34P in the upcoming Volunteer Mag which can be downloaded on the CFS website, homepage (long PDF download of 80 pages plus):
http://www.cfs.org.au
similar appliance already used in WA by fesa:
http://167.30.74.10/?MenuID=101&ContentID=259
and also produced by SEM:
http://www.skilledequipment.com.au/vehicle_details.php?vehicle_id=2050
I believe that instead of the HM500 Darley pump the 34P will have a HE500 Darley which will be run from a 4cyl turbo ?Hatz motor (that will be loud I'm sure). If Burnside agree to it then they will apparently get a prototype with the HM500 pump which is PTO driven. I think HM pumps are 2 stage pumps.
They look like a bit of a development on the current 24P, but still something that I wouldn't want to swap current Pumper for (and I don't like the Pumper that much!)
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Does not look to bad,but from what I can see it is the same as the CFA pumper tanker? I am going over to Vic next week to have a look at the new tankers and pumpers that will be in region 4 so I hope to get some pictures and see what they are like to drive.
I am not sure if a 34p is really any good for urban areas so why waste money on it? We all know that all urban brigades need a pumper but someone up that ladder still is not 100% sure on them. I could name few brigades that should have pumpers but then I may get my BUTT kicked from those at the top...
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ITs just a bushfire truck with a bit bigger pump, are you sure it was a 2 stage, that would be a new thing for CFS!!! (that was not built by volunteers)
I must say the NSWFB type 2 pumper is pretty filtered nice and would not mind one, but the traditional way of using pumpers for offroad work would have to go out the window, but people will have to get over it!!
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virginia are supposed to receive one of these tomorrow night (mon 27 june)
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Has Virginia got their new 34P? If so what are their thoughts? Any photos?
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rescue gear wouldnt fit, norton summit and tanunda are also in line to receive one soon, also believe keith has had one delivered
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I think that Virginia got their new 34P and the rescue gear did not fit :-o
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Of all things! You would think "SOMEONE" would have checked........??? !!!!
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LOL..... not an uncommon thing really. They expect a 24P to carry all things HazMat as well.... and thats just not gonna happen in a hurry!
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I understand that all new 34p have been recalled due to a fault?? does anyone know about it also keith dont have there 34p yet...
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Sounds like the last round of 34, there is always something wrong
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Saw some footage of the new 34P whilst the Region 2 rollout is waiting for delivery at NE Isuzu. Looks to be the most professional CFS mass produced appliance build up yet. I'll be interested to hear the problems that are sure to come.
I know they going to have to do a fair bit of modification to Belair Station to fit it in! Have to raise door and flashing (with structural beams) by at least 200mm!
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Bit of a step down from the Volvo though, don't make em like they used to!
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I think alot of stations will find they need alterations made to fit in the later model appliances.
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I think alot of stations will find they need alterations made to fit in the later model appliances.
Or rotate some of the older 24P's from busier brigades that are not as high
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We could almost start a brand new thread on that topic 24P. hehehe.. I have argued that fact many a time!!
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What is the height of the new 34p :?
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Right on 3400mm, doesn't sound that much, but when your sitting in them it's tall, adn takes a bit to climb into!
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Got some pictures below. Please comment...
(http://www.safirefighter.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10029/thumb_34P.jpg)
(http://www.safirefighter.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10029/thumb_34P1.jpg)
(http://www.safirefighter.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10029/thumb_34P2.jpg)
(http://www.safirefighter.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10029/thumb_34P3.jpg)
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Can they be any bigger, they are about the size of my thumb.... hehehe :lol:
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they have also been included in the gallery.
love the pic of Norton Summit 34P (didnt know they were due for one, but excellent for them)... anyway the picture of it makes it look as though it has some kind of aerial platform attached to the roof...
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Does anyone know who else may be getting one? I heard Burnside may be getting the PTO version as a trial. >
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No, I think Dalkeith are getting that. Burnside are getting a run of the mill 34 I believe.
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Sorry about the size of the images, was trying to fit a few in as the Gallery size for upload is a bit small! There's some bigger files here now!
(http://www.safirefighter.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10029/thumb_34P5.jpg)
(http://www.safirefighter.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10029/thumb_34P6.jpg)
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We are looking into new gallery software - should make things easier in the future. :-D
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Sorry still a bit small, have a look in the gallery at the bigger pics.
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(http://www.safirefighter.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10029/34P5.jpg)
Here I have inserted the link to one of your full sized images rather than the thumbnail. :-D
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No, I think Dalkeith are getting that.
Dalkeith? Have never been able to work out how the CFS place trucks :?
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I did say i think.......................(So don;t hold it against me if that is incorrect). But im pretty sure they are.
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Didnt mean any offence, didnt see a standard 34 at moores for burnside last week
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Just for info Virginia have had their 34P "re-delivered" last night. Will be interesting to see how it goes.
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Was this to fix the problem about something not fitting ?
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yes virginia carry holmatro gear and i think the locker was fitted out around the standard cfs rescue gear.
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What's the standard cfs rescue gear? Didn't think there was a standard!
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isnt that one of the main problems?? no-one really carrys a standard?
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Holmatro used to be the standard (of course we never had it :-)
And I think Ceduna had Hurst because of distance.
Who's had rescue gear delivered recently? Think we've gone to Lucas???
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Last set delivered was Light Rescue/RIG to Eden Hills with their new Pumper. It's Holmatro. Set before that I think was to Seaford and that was Lucas!
Don't think there's a current standard just a tender everytime a set needs replacement!
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And I think Ceduna had Hurst because of distance.
why do they have a certain type becasue of distance??
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Well my info is probably well out of date. But when I did my RCR course which would have to be nearly 10 years ago (seems like yesterday!) we were told that Ceduna had the heaviest rated gear due to isolation and lack of ready back up. They could have anything by now :-)
Don't know if they still do it, but on the course we had the three brands of gear available to us that were in use by the service at that time.
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aaah i see..
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C.F.S don't really have a standard, instead they have a contract for so many years with different manufacturers.
At the moment RIV gear is Holmatro (coming from chubb) which is what seaford recieved and heavy rescue gear is Lucas.
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So what happens to all the old sets that are taken off brigades??? Im assuming most are sent out to other brigades ?
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I believe Eden Hills HR gear is now a State Reserve set which will be sent out to brigades whilst their current gear can get a complete service.
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So tell me James if you guys get a new 34p does this mean you can no longer step up to MFS H/Q?? I would have hoped you guys got a pumper like eden hills rather than a 34p but hey we are only the ones who drive/operate these appliances...
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I think Belair should have a Pumper, a 34, and a 14. due to there Rural and Urban risks. But, like rescue said, we don't make the decisions.
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Nothing will change about COQ with MFS, we'll use the 34P as 24P are fine from Happy Valley when they go to Ohalloran Hill, Athelstone when they go to Glynde, Salisbury for Salisbury, etc.
I believe the only requirement for COQ is 4xBA. CFS will alway be responded with an MFS appliance in their area, so at a minimum there will alway be R.I.G. on there pumps.
I won't argue about appliances for Belair, hope that something come's out of the appliance working group. Would like to see a type 2 pumper and a 34P in the station, but can't see that happening!
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Belair would do well to have a pumper, 34 and Tanker - can't take the tanker away!!!! Thats a Belair Icon - it's known state wide and in NSW and VIC - lovely vehicle, great to drive and very, very servicable!!!
Having said that - do we ever need to justify a vehicle due to COQ - would any other service??? I think we should do it on risk in the brigades PRIMARY resposne area - hence Belair would have a Pumper (1 x 3 storey Hospital, 3 x Multi Level Schools, 1 enormous nursing home - including multi level wings several shopping centre, good size urban pop) 34 or simialr for the rural risk (hills face zone, Brown Hill Creek and Belair National Park) and tanker for all of the above - also good for boosting!!!
Look at Eden - their justification was sound as they have similar risks!
Now some of the other brigades who are puching for Pumpers - do they have an urban risk in their PRIMARY response zone?????
But the best thing, despite how much we debate it - it isn't up to us!
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Nothing will change about COQ with MFS, we'll use the 34P as 24P are fine from Happy Valley when they go to Ohalloran Hill, Athelstone when they go to Glynde, Salisbury for Salisbury, etc.
I believe the only requirement for COQ is 4xBA. CFS will alway be responded with an MFS appliance in their area, so at a minimum there will alway be R.I.G. on there pumps.
I won't argue about appliances for Belair, hope that something come's out of the appliance working group. Would like to see a type 2 pumper and a 34P in the station, but can't see that happening!
Looking through the Promo Website, Happy Valley have a Pumper, im assuming they would take that to O'Halloran Hill.
You made the comment on the only requirement being B.A. This is correct. However! - If C.O.Q at an MFS station, this means you are covering MFS area. Shouldn't you carry the same equipment as they would be taking to a call in their area? shouldnt you be able to pump at the same capacity as they would have been able to if covering, their area ??? What happens when you get called to an Alarm at Marion shopping Centre, or Rundle Mall, or Some where in Sailsbury, and you are asked to Boost the bronto?? What happens when you roll up to the car accident and dont have R.I.V? What happens when you get to the call and take a minute to don B.A where as MFS have it in their seats already to go ??
Yes, the minimum requirement is 4 x B.A, but I believe we should be able to proivde the service to the Community , who is expecting a Red truck to arrive.
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How recently have any brigades had their Standards of Fire & Emergency cover reviewed ??
I ask because our brigade and neighbouring brigades are trying to get our SFEC's updated to reflect our current risks, however it seems as though Region are reluctant to do this.
Our current SFEC's are based on 1995 data and still have us as a rural/urban brigade. Since 1995 the housing in our area has nearly doubled (roughly 50,000 residents now) we have three major aged care facilities (one is now three floors), seven schools (including multi story), two shopping centres, two industrial zones and the state bottling plant and distribution centre for BRL Hardys (A Class risk).
Our brigade has a 24P a 24 and a brigade owned 14. Surely you would expect that if the SFEC's are reviewed we would end up being an urban brigade (and hopefully get an urban pumping appliance). I know that one brigade immediately to our south is in a similar situation and is currently undergoing major growth in its area.
Would Region be reluctant to review our SFEC's because of the obvious need for an upgrade in appliances and subsequent funding issues that would result.
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Have been down the SFEC road before and were told because the MFS are responding with us we dont need one .
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All very valid points cited above. Strikeathird I agree about the level of pumping and the equipment level, however it's the MFS who are asking for CFS assistance with COQ, it a mutual agreement and equipment levels have nothing to do with it.
As for pumps, Belair Pumper with JPM450 pump boosted the Bronto for about 3 hours at the Mitcham Shopping Centre fire, and the abbey platform at the cold store fire in Blackwood in 2004, both with adequate pressure. So in 'theory' the 500gpm pump on a 34p should be able to do the same!
I do hope that something comes of the Appliance Working Group which has a focus not only on what our current risks are, but also the 90th percentile of our workload, and what our risks will be in 10 years time.
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The trouble is again, only two inlets and two outlets on the 34p. I don't know much about the volvo but i imagine it has more than two in two out, i also imagine it is two stage or above. You can have as bigger pump as you want but only a certain amount of water can fit through a pipe at one time
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so many comments about requirements to be able to do COQ to mfs stations... who cares what you need to go there???
we should be putting the right gear on our trucks for our own areas, why bother trying to put gear on your truck purely so you can go to there area??
i say, if they want our help, they should either put up with what they are sent, or kick in some funds to put whatever the appropriate equipment may be on trucks in EMA brigades for COQ.
does that make sense?
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I thought MFS get their funds from ESAU ?? As do we ??? (Correct me if i'm wrong.)
So we should have the same gear in my opinion. We do the same job, only we are not paid! If anything, we should have better gear!
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A few new 34P's at NE Isuzu almost ready for delivery. They include Belair, Athelstone, Birdwood and Crystal Brook. Must nearly be the end of this years lot.
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James my understanding was that you guys wanted a type two pumper like eden hills but your group would not support your application??(correct me if I am wrong). The other problem we have,that some regional staff(not all) make up there own rules before they come out of H/Q and this is also causing problems when it comes to what a brigade or group should have in the way of appliances.I could open a can of worm but have had my large rear end kicked enough this year :-D
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I agree with rescue5271 as Kalangadoo has asked for a new 34 appliance because the one we have is coming of age but everytime we ask for one the group says that our brigade isnt active enough to warrant a new or refurbished appliance even though ours is nearly 20 years old
It all comes down to the rules that your group has set James as the rules favour some brigades and doesnt favour others if you ask me your brigade seems like it needs to earn a type 2 pumper before the group you are in issues it to you although your brigade has a very big responsiblity dealing with structual fires and i can see why you need it very badly
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James my understanding was that you guys wanted a type two pumper like eden hills but your group would not support your application??(correct me if I am wrong). The other problem we have,that some regional staff(not all) make up there own rules before they come out of H/Q and this is also causing problems when it comes to what a brigade or group should have in the way of appliances.I could open a can of worm but have had my large rear end kicked enough this year :-D
believe the group didnt want eden to get a type 2 either, were more after the 24P......
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A few new 34P's at NE Isuzu almost ready for delivery. They include Belair, Athelstone, Birdwood and Crystal Brook. Must nearly be the end of this years lot.
Just curious as to what athelstone 34p with be replacing their 24p or 34?? surely if it's replacing their 24p there are a lot of other brigades out there that are busier and would put that appliance to use?? I'm not having a dig at athelstone but the CFS really needs to look at where they are sending the new appliances, brigades doing 10-20 calls p/year are given brand new 24p's (last year) while brigades with a high call rate and rescue/hazmat equipment are still going round in original 24p's (seaford) AFC 24p's (salisbury) why not give brigades like that the new appliances and give the 2nd hand ones to quiet brigades?? One reason i was told was because brigades out in the sticks had further to travel so they got new dualcabs?? surely a second hand d/cab is as good as a new one?? We weren't even going to get a new 34 this year until a RO came to our brigade and we pointed out on our then 19yr old 34 the rust, and the fact that the pump would pack it in on a regular basis, and there are brigades out there that have got a 6-7 year old 34 that aren't very busy and are getting theirs replaced this year, Seriously it's beyond my understanding how this system is worked out :?.
Just my view though and probably just repeating what has been said before :-).
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Just curious as to what athelstone 34p with be replacing their 24p or 34??
I believe it is their 34 that is getting replaced. Not sure how they work out who gets what but i thought there would be other brigades out there with higher risks who would possibly need 2 "P" appliances.
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Matt one of the reasons that you would have had trouble changing your classification under the SFEC is that the standards are out of date. I have heard that HQ are rewriting the standards. The old SFEC's don't take into account the current levels of fire standards for certain types of buildings.
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Yes i have also heard that but i have also heard that the new system won't be in place for a few years so there should be no reason as to why you can't get you're SFEC's upgraded off the old system.
Alway's an excuse not to do things like a professional service.
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Like us... we wanted a new truck, becasue one of ours is about to fall apart due to rust, and were told that our hillbilly 24 is suitable for our area, because with that and our ten year old 24p we meet our SFECs... even though there are two brand new estates (huge... estates) that have gone up since our SFECs were done, altho they claim to have re-done them and we still dont meet new truck status... :?
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But how many extra calls do you get at the two two brand new estates :?
Thats what hq would look at
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The area that our brigade covers behind Mt Barker is one of the fastest growing areas in the state, in the not to distant future Hindmarsh island will have more houses than Goolwa itself of which probably only half will be covered by hydrants!! We are lucky in that for half of the year our area only has a population of 6000 mainly elderly residents, however during holidays it ballons out to as many as 15-20,000, we had some of the CFS heirachy come down to asses our area and they found that we cover a substantial urban risk. What does this mean for our brigade?? In my opinion nothing! This assessment was made but nothing will be done about it. We had some people in our group trying to get our 34 changed yo a 14 unit because of the H.Island rural risk!!yet around 75% of our brigade jobs would be classed as urban!! With this "substantial urban risk" we can't even get back the two BA sets we had removed from our 34 about 3yrs ago so i don't know what it would take in our area to have 6 BA sets back in our station.
Apologies about straying from the topic but i had to get that out :evil: :-D.
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fire03rescue: only ever had about 30-50 calls out of the new estates ove past 3 years... but my point is it has increased population in our area by about 1600 people (id guess, if you said there were an aaverage of 4ppl per house; and there are about 400 new houses to cover...
a handful of gas leaks (i would atribute these to construction) - a few private alarms - and a fair few brush fence fires...
The area that our brigade covers behind Mt Barker is one of the fastest growing areas in the state, in the not to distant future Hindmarsh island will have more houses than Goolwa itself of which probably only half will be covered by hydrants!!
im confused... arent you Goolwa brigade... becasue thats nowhere near mt barker...
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Your not the only one confused by that comment..... but.... i think the reference was to the growth rate of the area. Hindmash Island compared to Mt Barker.
Hopefully im on the right track.
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MMM im sitting here nad iwas like.. mt barker... goolwa, umm ok ,theyre nowhere near each other. :mrgreen:
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The SFEC system is crap, until all reasonable requests for SFEC re-evaluation are put through to HQ and not veto'd by someone in Region who doesn't like you then the system is rubbish.
Look at the three urban brigades in the Mawson group, none of them have a pump that can boost correctly (only 500 GPM) and you've got some of the busiest brigades in the state there. The area around Seaford is going ballistic with growth yet they still have two rural trucks (dont call their 24P an urban truck). Morphett Vale is pushing over 350 calls a year with lots of urban area and no talk of an urban truck for them, Happy Valley are losing an urban truck and having it replaced with a 34 - how the heck does that work.
Oh well I guess we might as well stop going to urban fires and just hand over all our responsibility to the Mets, whilst we're at it lets build an MFS station at Mt Barker so we can move the Dennis and Type 2 there getting out to a brigade that does 2 calls a year... :x
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But how many extra calls do you get at the two two brand new estates :?
Thats what hq would look at
If that's all they look at then they are seriously jeopardizing(sp) the community! What ever happend to RISK !!!
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The area that our brigade covers behind Mt Barker is one of the fastest growing areas in the state,
The area that our Brigade covers (ie: Goolwa and surrounds) is, after Mt Barker, one of the fastest growing areas of the state.
Think that's what was meant :-)
So how many BA sets do you have?
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aaah i get it now...
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The area that our brigade covers behind Mt Barker is one of the fastest growing areas in the state,
The area that our Brigade covers (ie: Goolwa and surrounds) is, after Mt Barker, one of the fastest growing areas of the state.
Think that's what was meant :-)
Yes sorry that wasn't clearer :oops:thats what was meant, and we only have four sets as do most brigades i would assume however three years or so ago our group under the direction of region i belive took two off of us because we had four on our 24p and two on 34.
So how many BA sets do you have?
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Well we're prescribed 6, have 4 but would be a few operators short if we 6 using the 2 operators per set rule of thumb :-)
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Was just looking at the promotions website and it showed Belair as having their 34p and their pumper? are they keeping their pumper for the time being or is it a "Typo"??
Maybe CFS have come to their senses (i Doubt it though) and are letting them keep their pumper :-)
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Belair new 34p is replacing the pumper, they just have the pumper while they are training and testing the new 34p. Also in case they have any problems that might need to be fixed with the new 34p. They have allready had a fuel gage problem
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Why do they need the old appliance there while they train and test it? When we got our new 34 we lost the old one the same night after only about an hours training. :?
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Why do they need the old appliance there while they train and test it? When we got our new 34 we lost the old one the same night after only about an hours training. :?
Same as us, our old 34 was gone as soon as we finished looking over the new one!! As for the fuel gauge problem when ours is full it only reads 3/4 :?
Does anyone know who's getting the prototype with the PTO?? Or has anyone seen it at N.E ISUZU yet??
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Does anyone know who's getting the prototype with the PTO?? Or has anyone seen it at N.E ISUZU yet??
Have heard Dalkeith were supposed to be getting it but who knows with the CFS. Havent seen it a NE Isuzu as yet.
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Was just looking at the promotions website and it showed Belair as having their 34p and their pumper? are they keeping their pumper for the time being or is it a "Typo"??
Maybe CFS have come to their senses (i Doubt it though) and are letting them keep their pumper :-)
With thoughts like that you are on your way to a rapid promotion :-D
Fair swap - a purpose built F7 Volvo, with PTO pump, 2 x 90 mtr HP lines, steam light and ample locker space - for a Isuzu 34P .............. mmm makes you wonder where things are going.
Although I have no doubt the crews at Belair will make the most of it and get on with the job :-D :-D :-D
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Is that protype with the PTO going to burnside??? or if it is the type two pumper is it not going to Nairne as barker have now got a type two pumper???? When we got our new 34 it was all done in one night and we lost our old 34 on the same night.. Fuel gauge problem with our truck has been on going.....
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Good to hear the fuel gauge problem isnt widespread :-D :evil:
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Why do they need the old appliance there while they train and test it? When we got our new 34 we lost the old one the same night after only about an hours training. :?
sturt group....
still have the old eden pumper, and seem to still have old blackwood 24 kicking around (cant confirm BWD24? justy rumor)
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Sturt group Blah ........ from what I've heard it's their good management to ensure that all bugs are ironed out prior to decomissioning the old appliances.
Pity more people didn't have that attitude - would save stations going without an appliance for a day or two while things are fixed.
Re blackwood 24 - I think thats back on line again while CAFS has some more upgrades done - again looks like good management, Blackwood can maintain 2 appliances in their station :-o
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Didn't know we had the option of keeping our old appliances around "just in case". We were told heres your new appliance and when asked where our old one was going, we were told the bone yard at N.E Isuzu.
Maybe its just Sturt group having it their own way as usual, or maybe it's just me putting my foot in it (again). :-P :-D
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With all the small and big problems with new appliances I think it is a good idea to keep the old appliance for a while if possible.
can't see the problem
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mmm obviously state have approved the sturt group thing... but i thought everyone had always known it was heres your new one say goodbye to your old one... :roll:
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Just for info the old Eden Pumper is sitting at NE Isuzu. We asked if we could keep our old 34 while we got used to the new one and were told flat out "no".
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Don't get grumpy with Belair... Our 14 is offline having pump repair and modification.
Interesting points though were discussion about turing Belairs Volvo into a tanker seem to have altered direction. Talk now is it will become a spare urban pumper for the state, guess we'll just have to wait and see. Interesting that we can us these appliances now their over 20 years old!
As for the PTO 34P it's going to Dalkeith, spoke to Sandy Patterson about that a few weeks ago.
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^^ EXACTLY.. If they aren't good enough to run everyday, why are they acceptable to send all over the state as "Fill in / Spares" ??
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I know I'd prefer to have an old appliance as a state spare in the station if ours was off line than not have an appliance at all. I guess it's all about risk assessment and management and ultimately CFS is bound to follow directions from higher powers.
It great to see though that there are becoming spare appliances and regardless of which group that some people are standing up and saying that there needs to be a transition period from old to new to ensure consistence of service - bravo to those who have the vision of ensuring that their people can respond when the call comes in and their new appliance is off having an issue fixed :-o
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having pumpers such as eden51, belair and so on for state spares would be great... then we wouldnt have to keep asking MFS for pumpers!!!!
speaking of pumpers being converted to tankers James, you should look at the new rhynie tanker... exactly what your talking about.
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Yes,I cant see why cfs have gone down this path of spending money on old pumpers that are in good nik and could be used as state spares rather turn them into water tankers. as for the mfs spare pumpers when our pumper was off the road we asked for a spare and where tolled NO they dont do that any more. Funny Burnside had one that week,must be a region one thing of getting a spare.. but we now have the region 5 24 at our station as the regional spare... :mrgreen:
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haha... yeah must be a regional thing, probly half the prob is getting an mfs pumper spare down to naracoorte mate?
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It would not be problem,as we always have a couple of members who are more than willing to pick up a spare as long as there is one for us.. :roll:
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Does anyone know when the next batch of 34 P's are coming thru and who's getting them?
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not sure when or who.. but ill put it this way... if you were getting one im sure your brigade would know.
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not sure when or who.. but ill put it this way... if you were getting one im sure your brigade would know.
Ok thanks but have heard the appliance replacement program is always subject to change. Saw a few new appliances at Moores recently assigned to brigades who never got them.
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HMM....
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I was at moores just before xmas and there where lots of new 34 appliances with names on them but that brigade never got them,someone at H/Q changed the names what a waste of money.. if they dont wont a brigade to have a new appliances why put that brigades name on it and sit in the open where people can see it... One brigade I did talk to where very happy that there new applinces was sitting at moores only having to be informed your not getting it.....
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mmm... maybe we shouldnt jump to conclusions by just looking in yards full of trucks? these things must be subject to change i guess... well yeah come to think of it... if you break/absoloutely ruin your truck, then i guess it might change it?
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Excellent stuff really - people go to Moores, see a name than tell the world!!!!!
If a brigade is in line for a new truck, so be it, that is between them and the CFS hireachy - not other brigades, individuals etc, etc, etc.
Why not focus on real issues - like why a 34P won't supply sufficient pressure uphill through a hp line and 3 lengths of layflat ..... oh thats right, we don't get fires like that in the Adelaide Hills - MUCH!
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Are you sure a 34P won't do that?
I have seen 60 metres of rubber wajaxed to four or five lengths of 25mm canvas, pumping up a you have to see it to believe type hill, no problems at all.
34P have a nice 500GPM Pump much better than the 250's on the old HINO fleet.
Happy to be proved wrong though :-D
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Apology - it will do it, but a single stage pump struggles compared with a two stage and the output pressure from the single stage dribbles in comparison!
But horses for courses - they are a mass produced appliance, meant to cover many applications and in that regard they do meet the bill.
Maybe we just have to let the fire get closer ...... saves energy from dragging hose, walking up/down steep terrain, bowling additional lay flat - and saves time making up too - come to think of it, not a bad plan!
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Moved new posts relating to the standard 34 to the relevant thread.
http://www.safirefighter.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=53&topic=423.0
Cheers
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Anyone seen or heard of the 34p PTO driven prototype that is meant to be built??? It's been a while since the last of the standard 34p's has been handed out and haven't heard of this new one being dealt out???
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Ha ha funny exactly 1 year to the day since anyones posted in this topic and it was me :lol: :lol:
Anywho back on topic, Ceduna has recieved the first of the 2007 34P's a much needed addition to the brigade, and no doubt it will rack up some some kms pretty quick with some of the jobs they attend to. :-)
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Jamestown also received one on thursday(?). Not sure what it replaced.
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There's lots of new 34P's & 34's to come.....so lots of appliance movements..problem is that things change between a brigade being told they are getting a new appliance, and the time it arrives...... like Rapid Bay - they were meant to be getting a new 34, but it didn't fit in the shed, so they got Yankalilla's old 24 instead when Yank got a new 34....so until the appliance is actually in the station / shed, it can't be confirmed...! :-D
Pip
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Pip, have you heard of any type 2's being made in the near future?
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Jamestown???? they had a 24P can't understand why they would get a 34P unless it's for hazmat overdrums to fit on the appliance????
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If they happened to have a yr 2000 model 24P....im beginning to see a pattern....
It is a bit strange for us to be getting a 34P to replace the 24P, we lose some storage locker space which being a hazmat BA appliance is a bit strange.
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One of the oak/bal members mentioned to me on a strike team that they were getting one for that reason so they could carry over drums!!!!
Could be the same reason that Yankallila is meant to be getting one for as well.
But if they do that then stirling north, willunga, Port lincoln etc etc should all get one as well :|
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Must be a hazmat thing....so Stirling and Burnside as well :)
Thanks for the insite...certainly sumthing 2 talk about at trainin 2morrow night
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Why doesn't CFS invest in over drum trailers as it is cheaper than a 34p and you won't exactly need an over drum in a hurry? ( on the basis that hazmat jobs last along time)
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Jamestown got a new 34P, and it replaced their 18 year old 34, which is going to be the Region 4 Spare, as the previous Region 4 spare went to Mt Bryan to replace the crash damaged one........
The info re Jamestown I have, is that generally Hazmat gear will be on one appliance, and RCR on the other. I think the brigade is in the process of working out where everything is going to go.
Yank got a 34, not a 34P..
Not aware of any more of the "Type 2" pumpers being delivered this year...BUT I am not usually aware of who is getting an appliance, what type, or when, generally, until it arrives (or the brigade concerned lets me know about it!!)
Pip
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I did hear from someone in the know is that two type two pumpers have been ordered or will be in 2007/2008 budget year I did hear where one was going but as pip said till its in the station and has ya name on it its a waiting game...Just as afew brigades who drive past moores and see their brigade name on it and they never get the appliances..Now I am a betting man so I think Meningie will get a 34p very soon or by the end of the year........... :roll:
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Believe yank is getting a 34P to replace the 24P as another brigade is getting their 24P, but as you say until it's done it hearsay
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I did hear from someone in the know is that two type two pumpers have been ordered or will be in 2007/2008 budget year I did hear where one was going but as pip said till its in the station and has ya name on it its a waiting game...Just as afew brigades who drive past moores and see their brigade name on it and they never get the appliances..Now I am a betting man so I think Meningie will get a 34p very soon or by the end of the year........... :roll:
New type 2 for Naracoorte maybe Bill?
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No i would say on the coast south of the city.....
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We could start a book... :-D
My money would be elsewhere, Seaford just got the Dennis (assuming you were referring to Seaford), so my guess would be another brigade with significant urban risk and high call out rate. Salisbury comes to mind, or another brigade in their group. Can't see Morphett Vale getting it, that would make three pumpers in the group, with none north of the city. Now, if Burnside has changed their mind...
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probably another pumper for mt barker wouldnt surprise me.
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I will make it easy for you all,this brigade as a large urban risks,they have around 20/25 sprinkler booster systems in their area of cover,they are also looking at a large residential expansion over the next few years.They are one hour from the CBD,they currently have two appliances.......
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Goolwa?
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Gungellan? :P
Seaford of course :P
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im thinking bill must mean Goolwa..... but thats more than an hour away.
cos its only them and Aldinga Beach that really make any sense that far south, but Aldinga have three apps...
One at MorphettVale would be good....
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I think Goolwa is close enough to an hour away to guess it's the one.
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Havent heard anything it would be nice but i'll believe it when i see it
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I reckon Pt Elliot, so it to can sit in the shed and collect dust, after all the captain's ute seems good enough for 99% of the calls :-D
Seriously though, I would think Aldinga, rather than Seaford, would be in line for a Type 2, they are the up and coming suburb that has no real urban appliances.
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We will just have to wait and see what name is on it when it gets out the door....
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Of course, hadn't thought that far south. A pump in the Mundoo group would make sense with all the development down there. At least they have got a BRT close though. :evil:
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Does that mean I have to take another photo of Al in the truck :-P
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close is 20 mins away though :|
What do you mean another jeff have you been stalking me :-P :lol:
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Tea Tree Gully are due to receive a new 34P soon but due to the height of the appliance the roof has to be raised on the engine bay. Currently there is a Command car, 14 CAFS (new), 14 pump/rescue, 24 rural and 34 RFW PTO pump. Once new 34P arrives fleet will be 34p, 24, 14 rural CAFS and Command car.
Be interesting to hear from brigades that get a 34P and what teething issues that they are experiencing. As there has been hold ups from the manufacturer with a couple of cheap dodgy fittings failing!
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Fireblade, do you know what will be happening with the 14 pump/rescue?
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GD seriously don't worry about where that appliance goes it was rather heavy with the PTO pump BA/rescue gear on it so it became just a rescue. Its non turbo so as quick as a diesel Gemini! I think it was built when CFS was trying that whole mini-pumper thing as you saw a few around and anyone that tells you a 1-2 or a 1-4 pumper is a good idea has rocks in their heads.
As a truck that size is only really a big Ute. 1-4's should only be kept as a small rural appliance cause of the ability to access small fire tracks if needed. That's just my opinion due to seeing red scania's disappear from you up the road as you follow them to a job, little bit embarrassing :oops:
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Yeah...34 Pumpers are the Urban/Rural Pumpers...14's are certainly betta when lightly loaded ;)
Turbo's would be excellent :)
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Fireblade, do you know what will be happening with the 14 pump/rescue?
Wasnt the back going to be ripped off and the cab-chassis used for air-ops?
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Heard that but you never know what Corporate CFS is going to do till an Appliance rocks up somewhere with a name on the side!
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back on the topic of the 34P,does anyone know what is the current status of Dalkeith's 34P is, anyone know when they will finally get this appliance?
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Would be a pretty good guess for over the next few weeks :)
Ive been told we may have to store some of our Hazmat gear off the appliance due to not as much locker space on the drivers side. But its not as if all of it is required all the time...24P had a great deal of space..but the 34P will do a great job as a more 'pumper' orientated appliance.
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Will be interesting to see how often the monitor on the front of Dalkeith's appliance gets used :?
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wingfield dump hehe....probably the best tool for a fire there
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Would be a pretty good guess for over the next few weeks :)
Ive been told we may have to store some of our Hazmat gear off the appliance due to not as much locker space on the drivers side. But its not as if all of it is required all the time...24P had a great deal of space..but the 34P will do a great job as a more 'pumper' orientated appliance.
What do you mean a more "pumper" orientated appliance??? The 24P and 34P run basically the same pump and motor!!!! Wouldn't be all that much different
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well pumpers deal with structure fires more often dont they...having 3000L of BACKUP water is certainly better then 2000L aint it...And isnt the pump on the 34P of betta pressure and volume?
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Am pretty sure it's still single stage 1900lpm @ 1000kpa same as 24P's
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The pumps and pump setup are exactly the same but your right they are more pumper orientated now with the better BA setup, roller lockers, 100mm suction hose etc.
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back on the topic of the 34P,does anyone know what is the current status of Dalkeith's 34P is, anyone know when they will finally get this appliance?
Saw it today heading south on South Rd at Torrensville, so obviously still not in service?
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back on the topic of the 34P,does anyone know what is the current status of Dalkeith's 34P is, anyone know when they will finally get this appliance?
Saw it today heading south on South Rd at Torrensville, so obviously still not in service?
It is going back to Vic for a few weeks.
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What....again!!
It was sent back to its maker several weeks ago for repairs.....is it going there again..?
Pip
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so is Dalkieth 34p up there with the likes of Mt Barker Pumper and Stirling Pumper even before it gets on the run :? :?
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Or do they treat there appliances rough....... :mrgreen:
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What....again!!
It was sent back to its maker several weeks ago for repairs.....is it going there again..?
Pip
didn't know it whent several weeks ago. It should be operational by the end of June, so my sources tell me.
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Dalkeith 34P has spent most of its life at NE Isuzu gathering dust in the middle of the yard....the lemon of the buildups. :-o
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for all ya know...the CFS probably wanna perfect this prototype so much that when they get a massive batch of these (obviously in the newer 34P format)...wont be plagued with faults hehe.
Probably see a lot of rural/remote brigades get these over the next 5 years or so when all the old hinos are up for replacement.
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You won't see many more pumpers or massive batches of 34P's but you will see a LOT of 34's coming on the run, infact I think there will always be a constant run of 34's for ever, when you think how many 100's of plastic fantastic's we were buying every year back in the 90's, its gonna be an uphill battle to keep pace with the 20 year rule.
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I suppose one good thing now is that CFS are refurbishing appliances and sending them to brigades that are not that busy. A mate of mine got one at the station he is at and reckons its better than the old girl that they had.
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I suppose one good thing now is that CFS are refurbishing appliances and sending them to brigades that are not that busy. A mate of mine got one at the station he is at and reckons its better than the old girl that they had.
It would want to be would'nt it :-P
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Apparently it is as i was thinking the same. The old girl they had apparently had heaps of rust and was just past the use by date. He said they dont do a huge amount of calls so its ok.
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Ive heard along the grapevine there have been problems with delivery of fuel to the 34P pump's. Not sure if its a isolated problem to a single truck (our intended one), or if its a common problem.
Wonder if Ceduna or Jamestown have had this problem yet?
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Belair 34P had a complete pump failure with less that 20 running hours due to an apparent fuel line issue. Failed whilst at an incident...
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so strange....is the hino 34's also experiencing this problem, since they pretty much have the same pump?
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18:23:36 25-06-07 TTG Info: Early test page. 34P arrives - transfer stowage between vehicles. Decommission TTR and RFW. Team 4 station duties. Lt 1.
Tea Tree Gully's 34P's ready...wonder if others are coming soon :-D
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Cleve had a farewell photo shoot for their Volvo yesterday, maybe they got one too.
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I was under the impression that Lincoln was getting a new 34P and Cleve was getting their old 24P.
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I just feel sorry for any "vertically challenged" (no offence intended :-)) people who have to work with the new 34/34P appliances. We have a few members of which the passenger door of a 34P opens above their heads completely. No ducking required! HUGE!!! Soon brigades will need an aerial just to get crew in the truck!
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time for fold out steps like on semi's
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I just feel sorry for any "vertically challenged" (no offence intended :-)) people who have to work with the new 34/34P appliances. We have a few members of which the passenger door of a 34P opens above their heads completely. No ducking required! HUGE!!! Soon brigades will need an aerial just to get crew in the truck!
Yes our group find them very high but the 34 from last years Isuzu are taller someone evan fell out of the front of the Isuzu last year and smashed there wrist over 100 fractures in the top of the bone there arm is now a little shorter.
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it doesn't matter how high appliances are if they never get delivered :-P
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Dont know why they make them so high as there is not much clearance under them
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Pretty sure they are so high because of the turbos in them???
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Pretty sure they are so high because of the turbos in them???
Type 2 Pumper has a turbo. Not so high.
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Not so 4wd either :-o
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have we not considered that the height of the appliance has something to do with the terrain they are expected to encounter, along with the necessary entrance/exit angles and clearance in general.
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would CFS really build the appliance that large just to be impressive? i think not, im no mechanic, but im sure the height is driven by functionality of the appliance.
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And perhaps by what is on the market, and what sort if a price CFS can get it for....
Pip
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Mack,
Entrance angles of what the 34P's have are reduced by the bullbars, chassis hardware and other crap hanging off anyway. If the entrance/exit angle as you are saying is required, i doubt the Izuzu and Hino chassis have the torque or horspower to drive up any hills/creeks/whatever that steep. The 34P has an entry angle of 32 degrees. Thats steep yes, but could the vehicle safely and practically operate on such terrain? Clearance wise is limited by the axle height (being a live axle design (simple and cheap)). This is less than 500mm on the 34P's, where as the base of the doors to crew cab are at 1400mm.
I for one did not imply that the CFS is trying to be impressive, however thier choice of chassis i think as pip eluded is based more on price than function and safety. (correct me if i'm wrong pip!).
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Touche got it in one :mrgreen:
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I went past north east isuzu yesterday and while trying to keep on the road and nor hit anything didn't see any 34p's
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I went past north east isuzu yesterday and while trying to keep on the road and nor hit anything didn't see any 34p's
Thats because they are now located at the MFS workshops on Grand Junction Rd. Behind the Angle Park station.
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All getting fixed :evil:
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All getting fixed :evil:
How much fixing can they need :?
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dalkeith are getting the new 34p with the pto pump as well as the monitor of the frount at the open day it was on display however the monitor fell of and can not be left on while in the station or on the way to a job dalkeith are still to recive the appliance.
keep an eye on the back of the 34P's at the back near the pump the try bends and lockers break that s why they have been built on hino bases now tanunda and virginia had huge problems including tanunda 34P having a hole drilled in to the foam tank and the tank would only hold 20l of foam
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does anyone knows whats happing to dalkith 34p saw it 2 weeks ago down near gawler bypass and this week its at mfs workshop at angle park seems that they got the lighting work for the light mast :? :?
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dalkeith are getting the new 34p with the pto pump as well as the monitor of the frount at the open day it was on display however the monitor fell of and can not be left on while in the station or on the way to a job dalkeith are still to recive the appliance.
keep an eye on the back of the 34P's at the back near the pump the try bends and lockers break that s why they have been built on hino bases now tanunda and virginia had huge problems including tanunda 34P having a hole drilled in to the foam tank and the tank would only hold 20l of foam
Hmmm, thats slightly untrue, only the rural 34's were built on Hino as they were cheap, 34P's are still on Isuzu's. 20 Litres is all we have ever been able to store, except the new pumpers that have an 80 litre inbuilt tank. Otherwise its been a dip tube in a 20 litre drum.
Thats not the reason Dalkeiths isn't on the run, the monitor was never suppsoed to stay mounted, if you look in the crew deck area it actually has a spot for the monitor to be stored. The problem is with the hydraulic pump system, the truck is nearly 2 years old now, so is it a case of a lost cause !!
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With any luck the CFS will look at a NSWFB Type 1 build for their Urban Interface 34P's. Pull the crew deck off, giving added locker space.
Crew decks are great for rural brigades that use them for running grass fires, but in a fair number of the Urban interface areas, you'll be running lengths of hose off into the wilderness. As such, there is little need for the large crew deck that the 34/34p has.
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34P's may ending being primary appliances that get sent to strike teams to places like Harrogate....typically cos of the lack of water in those area's. So a crew deck and 3000L is warranted.
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So my brigade and group should get appliances, half of which they will not use in day to day running, just so on the off chance we go to Harrogate, we can use them.
Good work :)
I was suggesting that areas where you don't fight fires from the back of the truck, don't really need the crew deck and could do with more stowage space for Hazmat/RIK gear.
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Very True about the Stowage space for Hazmat and RCR gear, its really a compromise to be able to cover everything. With the impending 34P coming to my brigade sometime..this year (lol)...we may have to look at having a Hazmat Trailer to be able to carry all the gear required, very similar to Clare's.
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We should be looking at the new Tassie "tankers" thats a great setup. Apprently they have 25% more space than the current version, they only have a half crew deck, for the off chance you need to fight off the back.
I thought Balhannah was keeping the 24P as well, or has that changed ? You should be able to fit all your hazmat gear in the rescue locker, unless your planning to become RCR as well ?
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nah 24P's goin in for refurbishment....34P replacing 24P...and probably a second hand 24 or 34 replacing the 34 late this year.
I personally think the Large Locker should be on the Drivers side, as Passenger side is the "safe" side of the road if you need to get hoselines out. Only OHS&W flaw i have picked out hehe.
24P did managed to hold enough Suits for 3 crews of 2. while we now may only be able to hold 2 gas tights and 2 Splashies. got other equipment to fit in there too which will take up space.
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21:08:18 26-08-07 34P GOING TO ADEL TOMORROW FOR REPAIRS RCR EQUIP ON LOGISTICS TRAILOR CFS Jamestown Info
ah dear :(...just hope they do the same repairs to all the others hehe
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21:08:18 26-08-07 34P GOING TO ADEL TOMORROW FOR REPAIRS RCR EQUIP ON LOGISTICS TRAILOR CFS Jamestown Info
ah dear :(...just hope they do the same repairs to all the others hehe
They only just got it :evil:
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thats why my brigades happy with our 24P till it is certain that the 34P wont require trips to IZUZU.....often :evil:
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Was a page floating around today that Penola's 34 was getting replaced later this year??
Should just replace the rest of that years truck if your gonna do that many
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There will be a total of 3 x 34 from that barch replaced here in the south east,Naracoorte,penola and glencoe not sure what they will give us but a 34p would be nice so we can back up our pumper.
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There will be a total of 3 x 34 from that barch replaced here in the south east,Naracoorte,penola and glencoe not sure what they will give us but a 34p would be nice so we can back up our pumper.
Bill, why are they replacing them? They are'nt that old are they?
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They are from the same batch as Kanagarilla & McLaren Flat, which were identified as having a few safety issues..... looks like they might be replacing most / (all?) of that build.... perhaps correcting the problems & sending them out again? I haven't heard anything, so its just a guess!
Pip
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We should be looking at the new Tassie "tankers" thats a great setup. Apprently they have 25% more space than the current version, they only have a half crew deck, for the off chance you need to fight off the back.
Is that the one that was designed in consultaion with firefighters to build a practical and efficient appliance.
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I think pip has hit it on the head these appliances where found to have a few safety problems and this may be why they are being replaced and they will be fixed and sent out to a area that I guess does not get alot of call outs. Mind you our 34 has not been too bad but we have had problems like the rest with the pump and rust in the body there only 5 years old......
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Has anyone got a link to photos of the tassie tankers?
I personally like the look of the NSWFB equivalent 34Ps:
http://www.firestations.nsw.gov.au/penrith/class1_detail.html (http://www.firestations.nsw.gov.au/penrith/class1_detail.html)
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It's a pity that cfs didn't go for the full height drivers side locker that houses the generator, would have added a bit more locker space!!
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Nice looking appliance but not good for a running grass fire..........
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I would assume a 'P' appliances would be designed with urban work in mind, so the extra locker space would outweigh the lack of running grass fire support...
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Nice looking appliance but not good for a running grass fire..........
Why not? Not alot of difference by comparison.
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Nice looking appliance but not good for a running grass fire..........
Why not? Not alot of difference by comparison.
I think he was referring to the lack of crew deck...
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I think pip has hit it on the head these appliances where found to have a few safety problems and this may be why they are being replaced and they will be fixed and sent out to a area that I guess does not get alot of call outs. Mind you our 34 has not been too bad but we have had problems like the rest with the pump and rust in the body there only 5 years old......
Just interested about this, if they are'nt good enough for the brigades once fixed, why should someone else have to have it? Why cant they go back to the original brigades?
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I would say that because the time it will take to fix the problem's that in the long tearm its better to give those busy brigades a new appliance and send the old 34 that are only 5 years old to a brigade that does less than 20 call outs a year...
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Maybe the P stands for parked in the yard :-P
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Nice looking appliance but not good for a running grass fire..........
Why not? Not alot of difference by comparison.
I think he was referring to the lack of crew deck...
How much room do you want?
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Had a look over the one at the show when there Friday, they really have to store these trucks inside in future (if they are going to delay their delivery). Noticed a fair bit of surface rust in places + the bags which cover the stop/slow battens were seriously faded. These trucks cost a fair bit of money but are being left to the elements. You would think they would consider delivering them to the lucky recipients asap to avoid further weather damage.
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I would say that because the time it will take to fix the problem's that in the long tearm its better to give those busy brigades a new appliance and send the old 34 that are only 5 years old to a brigade that does less than 20 call outs a year...
I wouldnt consider at least 2 of the brigades mentioned "busy"?
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Hmmm, yeah, can think of heaps of brigades that do more call that could be refurbed, in fact they could take Glencoe and Penola's trucks away, refurb them, and give them back before they knew they were gone.
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news flash!
Few more 34P's being delivered in the next 2-3 weeks.
We've been asked to do a lookover of 24P for any obvious problems and sort them out if possible before the Trade-in.
Parndana(KI) will be the recipiants of our 24P...dual-cab for them hooray!
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Some news in today Advertiser and also online.
http://www.bigpond.com/news/national/content/20080702/2291369.asp (http://www.bigpond.com/news/national/content/20080702/2291369.asp)
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Nice 24P in the photo. :-D
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Has anyone heard the status of this years 34P's? Are they made / not made / in Adelaide / on or behind schedule? Whether they are the older or new model Isuzu?
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I think they are on hold till they fix the problems with the last batch ...
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I think they are on hold till they fix the problems with the last batch ...
Ok i wouldnt have thought last years batch mattered seeing as how they were being made by a different company? Have heard reports drom they are at the inspection stage to not started and anywhere in between those 2. Was curious cause no-one seems to know.
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oh...there are people that know whats going on, its just a matter of it being a slow process and not everyone being on the same page of the book.
Theres still a lot of things to be addressed.
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Both last years 34p and this years 34p are being made by the same firm but out of QLD this time i think,or it might be the NSW site...But there coming one day soon....
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No,....last year was MIlls TUI this year is Varley
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thats right,thanks cam,OLD AGE
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You wouldnt think a dodgy lot from 1 manufacturer would hold up some form a completely different 1 though?
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You wouldnt think a dodgy lot from 1 manufacturer would hold up some form a completely different 1 though?
Depends upon who 'owns' the design.
For example, NSW RFS own their appliance designs & contract builders to make them.
They have about 8 or so stock plans & that is what your brigade can have. Period.
So, if the design is defective & owned by CFS, then whoever builds it is likely to
build in the faults of the original run **unless the CFS has fixed the design**.
If, on the other hand, CFS is buying appliances designed by the manufacturer, we can
expect a completely different set of faults. Other than the cheapo hose fittings
specified by the CFS that is... :evil:
cheers
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Nice looking appliance but not good for a running grass fire..........
Well what are you going to do when you get yours? I assume it will be your 1st response rural truck?
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Not my problem........
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Why is it no good for running grass fire? Has the same capabilities of a standard 34
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I had a look at the new varley 34p the other day very nice,crew deck is a little small for space to work on the rear,I disliked how they have painted the inlets and outlets so as the crew know which hose goes where they must think we are all idiots... Looks good but will wait and see how they go in the field,Cam,I did not like it for grass fire attack as there is (a) not much room on the rear and(b) you only have two deck lines.......But will see how it goes....
Sorry I was not allowed to take photos while it was sitting where it was.....
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I disliked how they have painted the inlets and outlets so as the crew know which hose goes where they must think we are all idiots...
Oh no! They made it easy to follow the path of water flow! How dare they! Mind you, if they have read any of this forum, then they have done well to finally colour code the pump, like the rest of the country has. ;)
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The inlet / outlet on our 14 year old Hino are colour coded........
I think it is more important now that they colour code than ever before.....not because people can't work it out - rather because we have many different designs & layouts of plumbing on all the different appliance around currently. If a person who has never worked on a particular build of appliance, colour coding means they can quickly work out the plumbing, (perhaps at first glance) rather than spending a bit of time working it out.....
Pip
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I had a look at the new varley 34p the other day very nice,crew deck is a little small for space to work on the rear,I disliked how they have painted the inlets and outlets so as the crew know which hose goes where they must think we are all idiots... Looks good but will wait and see how they go in the field,Cam,I did not like it for grass fire attack as there is (a) not much room on the rear and(b) you only have two deck lines.......But will see how it goes....
Sorry I was not allowed to take photos while it was sitting where it was.....
The Crew deck is fine...infact itd be nice to get rid of it :)
2 Working lines from the deck...Two working guys on the back....Two in the Cab.
Its better to use a 14 appliance at a Running Fire, meanwhile the 34P can do what its meant to and protect assets.
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Can i just point out that how we have hermaphrodite couplings it is really important to color code the plumbing, i doubt they think we are idiots.
get rid of the crew deck at last or make it as small as possible. Us hills brigades loose heaps of space that could possible have a long locker because of the crew deck. (which never gets used)
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The inlet / outlet on our 14 year old Hino are colour coded........
I think it is more important now that they colour code than ever before.....not because people can't work it out - rather because we have many different designs & layouts of plumbing on all the different appliance around currently. If a person who has never worked on a particular build of appliance, colour coding means they can quickly work out the plumbing, (perhaps at first glance) rather than spending a bit of time working it out.....
Pip
Same with out 16 year old Hino, and other assorted trucks. There have, for as long as I can remember, been colour coded collectors/deliveries/valve handles. Red for deliveries, blue/green for collectors. It may not have been as obvious as having all the plumbing painted, but its been around for ages.
Can i just point out that how we have hermaphrodite couplings it is really important to color code the plumbing, i doubt they think we are idiots.
get rid of the crew deck at last or make it as small as possible. Us hills brigades loose heaps of space that could possible have a long locker because of the crew deck. (which never gets used)
Yep, along with what pip said, it makes for easy troubleshooting. Most, if not all of the paid services in the country have everything colourcoded. Its not because of retarded volunteers, or anything.
The crew deck issue does nee to be looked at for some brigades I think. As you said, most of the hills brigades would rather more stowage space to a big crew deck. But then again, nearly every individual brigade needs something different to the next, so the line has to be drawn somewhere.
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yep so true.
Although i may get shot down out tardis of a 14 has no crew deck and we have never regretted that fact
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2 deck lines is enough....just means you have to take the hose with you if you need to swap sides. Deck is big enough...if you cant fit maybe its time to consult a gym! lol
No deck is fine for the hills dwellers but that doesnt suit us out in the sticks. Maybe its time they looked at the design of the trucks again.
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How many deck lines does a truck normally have? None of the trucks I've worked off have had more than 2...
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A 34 has 3
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think the new 34 has two lines but also 2 uprights for the deck monitor. With a bit of engineering its easy to run a hose off the top of the upright.
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Roger.
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yeah i have never seen any trucks with more than to even 34s
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colour code has been around for years (industry standard)
Check out the most fire services around Australia and you will find the colour code. It has nothing to do with looking like idiots, it is about being professional and having a standard
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some 34 had 4 and some had 3,the new Varley 34 as two and as cam said it also has the monitor,but you could always change the plumbing so that you had 3 side lines rather than pull the hose over the tank from the reel....
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Ours has 3, 2 drivers side 1 passenger side.
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I've started a discussion about running grassfires here (http://www.safirefighter.com/boards/index.php/topic,1961).
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Pics of the new Varley 34P can be found here http://www.ozfire.org/viewtopic.php?t=8950