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Country Fire Service / Re: Rollout IT for Brigades
« on: September 15, 2010, 02:56:41 PM »
Well it looks like this plan is going down the gurgler.

Why don't you apply Zippy :-D

Personally, my area is flooded with technology,  other places probably need it. 

Ive somewhat thought, technology is beginning to cloud some vision higher up.

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Country Fire Service / Re: Rollout IT for Brigades
« on: September 15, 2010, 01:36:20 PM »
Well it looks like this plan is going down the gurgler.

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SAPOL: Volunteer history check fee (Police Check)

Description: A fee of $10 is proposed for any volunteer obtaining a police history check as a contributor to the cost. Current
policy is for volunteers working with children or vulnerable groups to pay nothing.

Savings Rationale: Cost Recovery.

Account Manager Comment: This measure may impact on the community's willingness to volunteer.


Pretty much got it right mr account manager.

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Lol..."There is a risk that a reduction in support services to the MFS would result in industrial action."   Smart thinking SA Government bean counters!

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Regional staff by
3, Training by 4, Infrastructure & Logistics by 2, Operations by 2, Administration by 1 and Executive by 1.

Account Manager Comment: No significant issues with adopting this measure have been identified.

No Significant Issue with doing this...WHAT A JOKE.

Putting the funds saved in closing the community education department into operational staff is what is required to make the operational capability of the CFS meet the "Minimum" Standard..

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Country Fire Service / Re: mutual aid...
« on: September 12, 2010, 10:27:50 PM »
As per the COSO's CFS are not to use K Codes, cant see these codes being any different or likely to change anytime soon.

Which is completely sigh worthy. K Codes would help a great deal.

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Country Fire Service / Re: CFS FAQ's
« on: September 12, 2010, 12:53:14 AM »
The guy's who deal with the bushfire hotline/air attack response/intelligence/paperwork processing.

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SASES / Re: Again response protocol not followed!!!!
« on: September 08, 2010, 01:49:29 PM »
....It costs???  I thought there's a standard contract in regards to the SAGRN..  This sounds quite odd.

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SASES / Re: Again response protocol not followed!!!!
« on: September 06, 2010, 06:33:54 PM »
Any life threat calls received by SES SCC, the caller is requested to call 000. We do not take the call.

ha good one.  But of more interest to me is all the problems with Adelaide Fire over the weekend.  Once again we had phone calls to them ringing out, big delays answering the radio, refusal to respond brigades, hanging up on 000 callers and brigades / group officers etc.  I know they're busy but why is AF management continually unable to staff the comcen appropriately?  after all it's not like everyone didn't have enough warning.  Once again if it wasn't for groups and brigades managing everything themselves, and papering over the cracks, it would have been far worse.  Can't wait til summer when it gets serious.


Well, Adelaide Fire was in multiple incident procedure over the weekend.....

That means, 000 calls for establishing firecalls and GRN for short mobilisation messages & urgent precise upgrade messages only...i would think.

There were so many manual turnout messages by brigades that should have happened via 000.

I recall hearing emerg tones and a general broadcast on all CFS regional channels occuring twice, general gist being: "wait out wait out, pretty much only talk to us if urgent"....

CFS has to deal with its radio protocol as well, massively.   A lot more over the air discipline will go a long way.


I saw the pager messages, heard the radio messages, re we are in multiple incident procedures....but as yet, haven't found a reference in SOP's etc, as to what that is meant to be.

Having said that, it was pretty clear that Adelaide fire was swamped, and hence I didn't bother trying to get jobs put through to Adelaide fire, for dispatch to my brigade......I just paged it myself...

Not ideal, but since the jobs were just trees on roads, a few minutes of delay getting a page out via linkq didn't really matter.

However, it shows how quickly the CRD system was swamped, and the apparent inability of the system to expand to deal with that.  (And before anyone makes the commnet - I am NOT having a go at any of the staff...they were obviously getting flogged, but listening to them on the radio, they were doing well under pressure)

Brigade & Group control centres were effectively doing their own thing - with many of the calls attended by brigades coming direct from members, who had been contacted by neighbours / other residents who knew they were in the CFS, and contacted them direct for assistance.

Pip



Guess that comes to CFS HQ asking MFS for an explaination and then diseminating the procedure down to brigade level.

MFS Area radio protocol reduces to K Codes, Upgrades & Stop only.  No sitreps nor full stop messages, from what i listened to yesterday.

And yeah, you might here adelaide fire talking to thin air on occasions (when talking onto all channels simultaneously)...

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SASES / Re: Again response protocol not followed!!!!
« on: September 06, 2010, 02:27:51 PM »
Any life threat calls received by SES SCC, the caller is requested to call 000. We do not take the call.

ha good one.  But of more interest to me is all the problems with Adelaide Fire over the weekend.  Once again we had phone calls to them ringing out, big delays answering the radio, refusal to respond brigades, hanging up on 000 callers and brigades / group officers etc.  I know they're busy but why is AF management continually unable to staff the comcen appropriately?  after all it's not like everyone didn't have enough warning.  Once again if it wasn't for groups and brigades managing everything themselves, and papering over the cracks, it would have been far worse.  Can't wait til summer when it gets serious.


Well, Adelaide Fire was in multiple incident procedure over the weekend.....

That means, 000 calls for establishing firecalls and GRN for short mobilisation messages & urgent precise upgrade messages only...i would think.

There were so many manual turnout messages by brigades that should have happened via 000.

I recall hearing emerg tones and a general broadcast on all CFS regional channels occuring twice, general gist being: "wait out wait out, pretty much only talk to us if urgent"....

CFS has to deal with its radio protocol as well, massively.   A lot more over the air discipline will go a long way.

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SA Firefighter General / Re: Interesting Fire and Emergency Related Paging
« on: September 06, 2010, 02:17:24 PM »
11:42:30    MFS: *CFSRES INC086 06/09/10 11:41,RESPOND Vehicle Fire,LYDIA TCE,WALLAROO MAP 0 0 0 TG194,LOW LOADER ON FIRE AT VITERRA SILO'S.,WAL671 KAD661

Now pretty much a 3rd+ Alarm,  Responded Appliances:

MFS: Wallaroo 671, Kadina 661, Moonta 681, Adelaide 2015, A few DO's, Port Pirie 501, Adelaide 2037, Salisbury 321, Elizabeth 331, Adelaide 2017.

CFS: Kadina, Paskerville , Maitland, +Others performing COQ.

SES: Bute, Maitland, Port Boughton

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SASES / Re: Again response protocol not followed!!!!
« on: September 04, 2010, 01:23:39 PM »
What will SES being doing with the SCC when it comes to SACAD???  As i personally think, sacad can only be successful if every, every, ESO moves over to it.

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SASES / Re: Again response protocol not followed!!!!
« on: September 04, 2010, 12:51:27 PM »
SACAD....where art thou...now?

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...quite an amount of station's doors opened all at once lol  so a fair bit of volunteer fuel used anyhow..

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SA Firefighter General / Re: Open letter to the SES
« on: August 02, 2010, 02:48:19 AM »
ive just had a quick look over the Victorian Bushfire Royal Commission report summary.  I spotted a good paragraph about Surge Capacity, and the way it did manage to work well somewhat that day.  I support Boredmatrix's words re that. It is a easy thought to overlook.

You only need to look at the nations USAR surge capacity and think...probably not enough still?  Particularly SA's USAR capability.

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Country Fire Service / Re: Is this a sign for the future ?
« on: August 02, 2010, 12:45:05 AM »
Victor Harbour could and should be the first chance to trial a Integrated Brigade.  (Paid and Volunteers).  Port Lincoln was a missed opportunity...

Looking at the statistics for Victor MFS, they respond to 20 grasses & a lot of alarms. Having  Pump/Rescue, 1 Pump, 1 Pump/Tank & 1 Tanker would make it an even mix to respond to a variety of jobs.

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SA Firefighter General / Re: Open letter to the SES
« on: August 01, 2010, 12:36:17 AM »
depends which number the person calls, and how generous the fire comcen operator is i bet ;)

Ive seen some people get hung up on during a event like this for calling 000..

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23-07-10 14:30:12    MRPH INFO: SORRY TO DISAPPOINT YOU ALL, THERE IS NO DEPLOYMENT TO VICTORIA AT THE MOMENT. SOMETHING CRAZY GOING ON WITH THE PAGING NETWORK - MATT - CFS Morphett Vale Info

14:23:45    ANYONE AVAILABLE FOR STRIKE TEAM TO VICTORIA PHONE PETER ASAP ON 0428 982 964  - CFS Forreston Info

14:23:04    DON MOORE DEPARTING BY BUS FOR VIC DEPLOYMENT TODAY AT NOON GOOD LUCK AND STAY SAFE HE RETURNS THRUSDAY FROM JASON

Sorry guys, i bought a copy of the Black Saturday Fire Storm book from Borders today....

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Country Fire Service / Re: Brigade SFEC
« on: July 16, 2010, 01:47:29 PM »
Bagyassfirey, RE: Threat Values...

sorry, dont know....i think its a number decided by magic 8 ball...

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Country Fire Service / Re: Brigade SFEC
« on: July 15, 2010, 04:29:23 PM »
The SFEC document can be found at..

http://sacfs.org/publications/SFEC_18May2000_v8.1.pdf

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Country Fire Service / Re: Brigade SFEC
« on: July 15, 2010, 04:23:22 PM »

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Emergency Vehicles / Re: New CFS QRV's
« on: July 14, 2010, 03:05:56 AM »
seconded

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All Equipment discussion / Re: 34p Battery problem
« on: July 10, 2010, 02:00:35 PM »
my brigade's 34P also experiences battery problems,  Car sized battery...

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ha maybe that supergroups idea isnt too bad afterall.  thats the first positive thing ive heard about it.

1. breaking down borders

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SA Firefighter General / Re: Incident Type Protocol?
« on: July 01, 2010, 02:04:45 AM »
CFA Pager format, which i completely think is where we should go.

@@ALERT F100608847 ORBO2 STRUC1 CHIMNEY FLU ON FIRE 13 BROWNING ST ORBOST /RAYMOND ST //CARLYLE ST SVSE 8571 D10 (283254) NEWM ORBO [ORBO]


@@ALERT                  = Pretty much CFSRES
F100608847               = Incident number (shortened on radio, dont know how tho)
ORBO2                    = CAD ZONE, Primary Brigade
STRUC1                   = Incident Type, Structure Fire Priority 1
CHIMEY FLU ON FIRE       = Custom description (can be anything)

13 BROWNING ST ORBOST    = Address
/RAYMOND ST              = Nearest Intersection
//CARLYLE ST             = Next Nearest Intersection
SVSE 8571 D10 (283254)   = Map Ref
NEWM ORBO                = Brigades Responding
[ORBO]                   = Pager Msg Reciever


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