SA Firefighter
General Discussion => SA Firefighter General => Topic started by: sesroadcrashrescue on September 05, 2007, 12:21:43 AM
-
22:50:18 04-09-07 KP181 Cat2 Main Rd, Kapunda SAAS Supervisor?
MFS: INC # 77 - 04/09/07 22:52,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,KAPUNDA MFS,KAPUNDA, MAP 0 0 0 ,,BELVIDERE ST 200 MTS FROM KAPUNDA,75829 641*CFSRES: MFS Kapunda Response
MFS: INC # 77 - 04/09/07 23:01,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,KAPUNDA CFS,KAPUNDA DISTRICT, MAP 0 0 0 ,,NEAR BELVIDERE ST CAR V FENCE,2348*CFSRES: CFS Kapunda Response
ok so the pagers went off nice and quick however the msg wasnt even close not for anybody it was on kapunda truro rd near belvidere rd which is just a touch more the 200mts from kapunda id say alomst 15 kms from the location given oh and belvidere st kapunda dosent exist.
also 641 thats along way out of there area about 15kms out of there area and they only had two personel plus the cfs never made it out the door due to no driver
-
22:50:18 04-09-07 KP181 Cat2 Main Rd, Kapunda SAAS Supervisor?
MFS: INC # 77 - 04/09/07 22:52,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,KAPUNDA MFS,KAPUNDA, MAP 0 0 0 ,,BELVIDERE ST 200 MTS FROM KAPUNDA,75829 641*CFSRES: MFS Kapunda Response
MFS: INC # 77 - 04/09/07 23:01,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,KAPUNDA CFS,KAPUNDA DISTRICT, MAP 0 0 0 ,,NEAR BELVIDERE ST CAR V FENCE,2348*CFSRES: CFS Kapunda Response
ok so the pagers went off nice and quick however the msg wasnt even close not for anybody it was on kapunda truro rd near belvidere rd which is just a touch more the 200mts from kapunda id say alomst 15 kms from the location given oh and belvidere st kapunda dosent exist.
also 641 thats along way out of there area about 15kms out of there area and they only had two personel plus the cfs never made it out the door due to no driver
Thats why there shouldn't be 3 services in 1 small town !!!!!!! If there was only 1 you probably could have taken a pump and a pump rescue !!!
But noooooooooo, we all like to have our own little empires, useless.
-
MFS: INC # 77 - 04/09/07 22:52,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,KAPUNDA MFS,KAPUNDA, MAP 0 0 0 ,,BELVIDERE ST 200 MTS FROM KAPUNDA,75829 641*CFSRES: MFS Kapunda Response
MFS: INC # 77 - 04/09/07 23:01,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,KAPUNDA CFS,KAPUNDA DISTRICT, MAP 0 0 0 ,,NEAR BELVIDERE ST CAR V FENCE,2348*CFSRES: CFS Kapunda Response
also 641 thats along way out of there area about 15kms out of there area and they only had two personel plus the cfs never made it out the door due to no driver
maybe there may be a cause for SES and CFS to work with each other closely...if the CFS brigade doesnt have enough drivers, maybe the SES brigade could provide them.
but then again...the mets retained got called which woulda meant a much higher chance of a fire cover appliance arriving on scene.
-
22:50:18 04-09-07 KP181 Cat2 Main Rd, Kapunda SAAS Supervisor?
MFS: INC # 77 - 04/09/07 22:52,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,KAPUNDA MFS,KAPUNDA, MAP 0 0 0 ,,BELVIDERE ST 200 MTS FROM KAPUNDA,75829 641*CFSRES: MFS Kapunda Response
MFS: INC # 77 - 04/09/07 23:01,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,KAPUNDA CFS,KAPUNDA DISTRICT, MAP 0 0 0 ,,NEAR BELVIDERE ST CAR V FENCE,2348*CFSRES: CFS Kapunda Response
ok so the pagers went off nice and quick however the msg wasnt even close not for anybody it was on kapunda truro rd near belvidere rd which is just a touch more the 200mts from kapunda id say alomst 15 kms from the location given oh and belvidere st kapunda dosent exist.
also 641 thats along way out of there area about 15kms out of there area and they only had two personel plus the cfs never made it out the door due to no driver
ses should have responed nuri cfs for that being in there zone
-
ok so the pagers went off nice and quick however the msg wasnt even close not for anybody it was on kapunda truro rd near belvidere rd which is just a touch more the 200mts from kapunda id say alomst 15 kms from the location given oh and belvidere st kapunda dosent exist.
also 641 thats along way out of there area about 15kms out of there area and they only had two personel plus the cfs never made it out the door due to no driver
And here, again, is the problem of people calling in about incident, who have no real idea of where they are....with the current data at Adelaide Fire, I suspect it wouldn't help that much - if the caller identified the location as Kapunda (even if it wasn't) then that is the data the Comms Operators would work with, and send the resources for the location given.
SACAD is supposed to address some of these types of issues...but that is still some time away......( and an awful lot of data to be collected)
Pip
-
22:50:18 04-09-07 KP181 Cat2 Main Rd, Kapunda SAAS Supervisor?
MFS: INC # 77 - 04/09/07 22:52,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,KAPUNDA MFS,KAPUNDA, MAP 0 0 0 ,,BELVIDERE ST 200 MTS FROM KAPUNDA,75829 641*CFSRES: MFS Kapunda Response
MFS: INC # 77 - 04/09/07 23:01,RESPOND Vehicle Accident,KAPUNDA CFS,KAPUNDA DISTRICT, MAP 0 0 0 ,,NEAR BELVIDERE ST CAR V FENCE,2348*CFSRES: CFS Kapunda Response
ok so the pagers went off nice and quick however the msg wasnt even close not for anybody it was on kapunda truro rd near belvidere rd which is just a touch more the 200mts from kapunda id say alomst 15 kms from the location given oh and belvidere st kapunda dosent exist.
also 641 thats along way out of there area about 15kms out of there area and they only had two personel plus the cfs never made it out the door due to no driver
Thats why there shouldn't be 3 services in 1 small town !!!!!!! If there was only 1 you probably could have taken a pump and a pump rescue !!!
But noooooooooo, we all like to have our own little empires, useless.
I have to agree.. If the 'willing' weren't split across 3 services, their would be a much greater chance of getting appliances out the door. Uniformed services or at least, joint services in such areas would make a huge difference!
-
Happy Valley Pumper gave a stop to 439.
after they arrived and confirmed no persons trapped..
my point was that the same situation arose, and yet when its an MFS rescue area they do send an MFS pump..... nm
-
ok ses took on RCR when the MFS didnt want it the CFS didnt want it nobody wanted to be RCR.
SES do drive for CFS however when MFS page the wrong fire cover then dont page CFS of almost 10mins htere is nobody at the SES station that can drive.
also that is not nuriootpas area it never has been it has always been Kapundas area kapunda SES are responsible for belivedere rd and most of the truro kapunda road we can also supply a faster response time as every member of our unit is RCR and first truck is out the door in 5 mins day and night second is out the door in 8mins
my point is kapunda 641 should not be responding to stuff out side there area unless it defults from cfs to mfs plus they should stay in there area when countless times they cant get a crew and TANUNDA 631 with kapunda cfs respond in to the twonship of kapunda this happens alot
-
for thoses who feel that there are too many services in kapunda i agree when you have three volly oranisation and a retained it gets hard there is no need for MFS to be in kapunda they get very few jobs most of them alarms at the hospital.
if the MFS were not here then mabye the CFS would have more crew and more drivers. the CFS and SES drive for eachother at times if SES dont have a driver then the CFS will drive for us if CFS dont have one we drive for them but this only works when the pagers drop at the same time.
oh and just for your info kapunda SES do more the 120 jobs a year which is the CFS and MFS from here put together and most of that is RCR related
-
Just think, if they were all together, then there would be no issues at all, your pretty much doing it anyway !
-
still four services is too many why not get rid of one? do we need three fire trucks sitting in the town doing very little we cant move saas out of town as then there would be a min of 20 minutes response from the barossa to here the SES are quite busy with jobs that match some of the busy CFS brigades so who should we move or combind
-
Why not get rid of all of them bar SAMFS and SAAS?
-
Why not get rid of all of them bar SAMFS and SAAS?
Why should the public pay increased taxes or emergency services levy when a volunteer can do the job ??
-
Sorry, go for the cheap, cut price option that may not get to the job, as evidenced by what occurred in the pages in this thread. Good work :)
SAMFS does what SES + CFS does, SAAS does the medical side of things...?
-
ok ses took on RCR when the MFS didnt want it the CFS didnt want it nobody wanted to be RCR.
SES do drive for CFS however when MFS page the wrong fire cover then dont page CFS of almost 10mins htere is nobody at the SES station that can drive.
also that is not nuriootpas area it never has been it has always been Kapundas area kapunda SES are responsible for belivedere rd and most of the truro kapunda road we can also supply a faster response time as every member of our unit is RCR and first truck is out the door in 5 mins day and night second is out the door in 8mins
my point is kapunda 641 should not be responding to stuff out side there area unless it defults from cfs to mfs plus they should stay in there area when countless times they cant get a crew and TANUNDA 631 with kapunda cfs respond in to the twonship of kapunda this happens alot
thats bull s@#t with tanunda 631 they did once and got in s#!t coz of it when they got a call to the saas stn in anguston for fire call they got court out coz one of the blokes that was working there was a member of tanunda cfs and mfs had to call comms and get anguston called out for it . plus y would you call tanunda mfs when 5 cfs unites are in range of kapunda plus you mite check ses response zone as well coz anguston is not in your respones zone like last month three trees down with in a week around anguston cfs was not even called for those call outs
-
perhaps the govt should see that they're wasting a bit of money in some of these retained MFS stations. They over resource some towns. some just almost never are responded. cases in point are kapunda, peterborough, kadina and moonta. these are all towns where a CFS station can do/does deliver a satisfactory service.
-
This is great, you've got people on here blowing up about local occurences, without sharing the entire story, coupled with the fact they can't string two words together...
Don't worry boys, volunteer emergency services are in good hands in SA!
-
also 641 thats along way out of there area about 15kms out of there area and they only had two personel plus the cfs never made it out the door due to no driver
Grasshopper - some advice. Don't go casting aspersions on the capabilities of your fellow Emergency Services that you work closely with on a public forum. It will come back and bite you in the arse.
Kapunda is not big enough to avoid the ruckus you are causing...
If you ever stuff up, be prepared to be treated equally if not worse than the way you are treating your coworkers.
The way you have been carrying on like a pork chop has certainly lowered my perception of Kapunda SES as a professional organisation...
-
perhaps the govt should see that they're wasting a bit of money in some of these retained MFS stations. They over resource some towns. some just almost never are responded. cases in point are kapunda, peterborough, kadina and moonta. these are all towns where a CFS station can do/does deliver a satisfactory service.
You might want to check your facts. There is no CFS station in Moonta.
-
Im not saying Kapunda SES is the Best i have no idea how you got that perception.
Yes we have been to Angaston (helps if you spell it right)angaston is in our response for storm damage i belive that a tree down on a roof on a stormy night is "storm damage". we have been stop called my angaston cfs once and once they were not responded however them not being responded is a mistake made by paid staff in ADELAIDE FIRE no by kapunda ses.
Tanunda 631 was dispatched to kapunda high school after the kapunda cfs had attended i do not know why 631 was responded possibly another mistake by ADELIADE FIRE when there is (greenock, tarlee, truro, nuriootpa, eudunda) all closer then tanunda, tanunda 631 would have to drive past at least one CFS station no matter what way they go.
also why get rid of the volunteers when paid staff dont want the responsibility that the vollys have?????????????????????????????????????????
-
hmmm looks liek kapunda must be the new kalangadoo... :wink:
-
Im not saying Kapunda SES is the Best i have no idea how you got that perception.
The way that you continually rubbish your neighbouring emergency services gives the impresion that you consider yourselves to be far superior to them.
You give the impression that you prefer to bitch about them in public, rather than assist to resolve the issues.
To me, this is highly unprofessional behaviour...
-
Sesroadcrashrescue hope you don't share a station with the CFS, cause you will be one unpopular bloke next time your there. Ive said this message to you before on another post, start doing some serious training with the local services, get to know them, build a good working relationship with them and work well together, instead of bagging them because someone did or didn't get responded.
-
perhaps the govt should see that they're wasting a bit of money in some of these retained MFS stations. They over resource some towns. some just almost never are responded. cases in point are kapunda, peterborough, kadina and moonta. these are all towns where a CFS station can do/does deliver a satisfactory service.
You might want to check your facts. There is no CFS station in Moonta.
i get the feeling that would be a can do
-
Answer to all this is simple pager goes off you respond to your station and attend the incident do what you are trained to do and if any other services arrive work together.
If you have an issue in relation to responses fill out a CRD issues form and send it up the chain :evil:
-
how many know the size of kapunda its self?
there is not enough people around the town who can help a service no matter what the CFS do a fantasic job so do the MFS how ever there is not enough room in the town for two fire services.
the MFS are the first to complain in public about call outs, that they are not responded to there has been one job n there area where they were not responded how ever two days latter a job in CFS area happend and no CFS just MFS does anybody agree that mabye one should be moved??? do they need to send a page saying they were not invited to a job.
why am i the one that is told im rubbishing the CFS and MFS, when in countless other posts there are people having a dig at other services, if i am not alowed to voice my opinions then this forum is a total joke or is it some people cant handle the truth????
all services volly and paid do an awsome job i dont dobt that its just some times there are too many in one town or too many errors made by commcen in adelaide.
-
Most people wait longer than 20 days when joining a new forum or meeting a new group of people, before they start slagging everyone, or every service or agency, or comcen (or everything really other than their own service) off, on a public forum!
-
if you want me to feel sory for my actions then you shall be waiting a long time. there have been meetings between the services and to have a RC from MFS walk into the meeting and say the "MFS are volunteers just like you are" is crap the CFS dont want to sort out the problems they have with the MFS the MFS dont care what every one else do and all we want is a fire cover crew dont care who.
some one said that the mfs would be able to garentee a crew well whats a crew four isnt it MFS continualy roll with 1 or 2 crew on board this forum is a complete JOKE, every body in here slags of other services and degrades people i work with the crews i am talking about i know that they know me we all know whats going on just non of the have the guts to say anything.
this forum is full of people that have opinions and dont want to do anything about it just write it on a screen and feel good about them selves. sorry but emergency services isnt that nice you get slaged off abused all sorts i have been on SES taskings and abused by CFS personel so you want me to slag people off i can cause i have been tame
SO ANYBODY TAHT WANTS TO HAVE A GO BRING IT ON
-
Sesroadcrashrescue from what ive read about this is you have an issue with the responses to your Unit.If that is what is troubling you fill out the CRD issues form and send it through the appropriate channels.It is ok for you to have an opinion.
Venting your frustration here is not achieving anything for service harmony. :-D
-
this forum is full of people that have opinions and dont want to do anything about it just write it on a screen and feel good about them selves. sorry but emergency services isnt that nice you get slaged off abused all sorts i have been on SES taskings and abused by CFS personel so you want me to slag people off i can cause i have been tame
SO ANYBODY TAHT WANTS TO HAVE A GO BRING IT ON
You're evidently very young and angry. Perhaps you need to find an appropriate place to vent said testosterone before it gets you in trouble.
Yes, there will always be rivalry between services in a town... Unfortunately, the attitude is grandfathered into young ones like yourself, as opposed to ignored. Slag off whoever you want champ, it will only serve to make you look less professional, less mature and fuel the problems that the younger lot should be working toward fixing.
Perhaps you could spend some of that time you use mouthing off on here to learn how to properly construct a sentence. I see we've managed paragraphs, soon your posts will actually be LEGIBLE. Think of that!
Perhaps you should go to the size up in overalls or invest in a 2-piece... it would stop a lot of constriction which is probably the source of some of that anger! :wink:
-
if you want me to feel sory for my actions then you shall be waiting a long time. there have been meetings between the services and to have a RC from MFS walk into the meeting and say the "MFS are volunteers just like you are" is crap the CFS dont want to sort out the problems they have with the MFS the MFS dont care what every one else do and all we want is a fire cover crew dont care who.
some one said that the mfs would be able to garentee a crew well whats a crew four isnt it MFS continualy roll with 1 or 2 crew on board this forum is a complete JOKE, every body in here slags of other services and degrades people i work with the crews i am talking about i know that they know me we all know whats going on just non of the have the guts to say anything.
this forum is full of people that have opinions and dont want to do anything about it just write it on a screen and feel good about them selves. sorry but emergency services isnt that nice you get slaged off abused all sorts i have been on SES taskings and abused by CFS personel so you want me to slag people off i can cause i have been tame
SO ANYBODY TAHT WANTS TO HAVE A GO BRING IT ON
Man you got problems. :| :| :|
-
if you want me to feel sory for my actions then you shall be waiting a long time. there have been meetings between the services and to have a RC from MFS walk into the meeting and say the "MFS are volunteers just like you are" is crap the CFS dont want to sort out the problems they have with the MFS the MFS dont care what every one else do and all we want is a fire cover crew dont care who.
some one said that the mfs would be able to garentee a crew well whats a crew four isnt it MFS continualy roll with 1 or 2 crew on board this forum is a complete JOKE, every body in here slags of other services and degrades people i work with the crews i am talking about i know that they know me we all know whats going on just non of the have the guts to say anything.
this forum is full of people that have opinions and dont want to do anything about it just write it on a screen and feel good about them selves. sorry but emergency services isnt that nice you get slaged off abused all sorts i have been on SES taskings and abused by CFS personel so you want me to slag people off i can cause i have been tame
SO ANYBODY TAHT WANTS TO HAVE A GO BRING IT ON
yoo hoo! moderators!
-
It seems to me that this person does have problems and for the people who have lived in a small country town, such as Kapunda, will know that people in all the emergency services work together/band together in emergency situations.
They are at a "incident" to do a job and put their political issues aside, therefore they dont put people needing their help at risk.
-
Im pretty sure this thread can be continued with some polite and constructive, contributions and explanations....
Lets work on that theory shall we :)
Cheers
Mike
-
if you want me to feel sory for my actions then you shall be waiting a long time. there have been meetings between the services and to have a RC from MFS walk into the meeting and say the "MFS are volunteers just like you are" is crap the CFS dont want to sort out the problems they have with the MFS the MFS dont care what every one else do and all we want is a fire cover crew dont care who.
some one said that the mfs would be able to garentee a crew well whats a crew four isnt it MFS continualy roll with 1 or 2 crew on board this forum is a complete JOKE, every body in here slags of other services and degrades people i work with the crews i am talking about i know that they know me we all know whats going on just non of the have the guts to say anything.
this forum is full of people that have opinions and dont want to do anything about it just write it on a screen and feel good about them selves. sorry but emergency services isnt that nice you get slaged off abused all sorts i have been on SES taskings and abused by CFS personel so you want me to slag people off i can cause i have been tame
SO ANYBODY TAHT WANTS TO HAVE A GO BRING IT ON
sesroadcrashrescue, I too am a member of the SES and yes we have had our share of critisism and comments from other services who would like to see us drop off the face of the earth, however I personally find your comments and slagging off of other services distasteful and unbecoming a member of the State Emergency Service.
I am aware that this is a public forum and that we do have the opportunity to have our say, but I do not feel that by continually bagging other services, you are doing our service any favours.
If you cannot say anything positive or constructive, kindly keep that gaping hole under your nose shut until you can.
We are all out there for the good of the community, so if you can't be a member for that reason, leave the service to those of us who can.