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General Discussion => SA Firefighter General => Topic started by: Footy on April 11, 2008, 02:31:32 PM
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00:01:16 11-04-08 ANGN RESPOND FIRE ALARM ANGAS PARK FRUITS, 3 MURRAY ST, ANGASTON *CFSRES:, FIP ALARM *WFAM*, 10/04/2008 23:59:29 CFS Angaston Response
00:10:18 11-04-08 ANGN: *CFSRES: MORE CREW NEEDED 11-04-08 00:09 CFS Angaston Response
00:22:54 11-04-08 ANGN: CAR 1 RESPONDING TO ANGAS PARK FRUITS, CAR 1 BECAUSE THERE WASNT A CREW FROM ANGASTON 4/11/2008 12:22:17 AM CFS Angaston Response
00:50:37 11-04-08 ANGN: CAR 1 RETURNED TO BASE AFTER ATTENDING FIRE AARM ANGAS PARK FRUITS, 4/11/2008 12:50:01 AM CFS Angaston Response
I'd probably turn my pager off too if i was getting all those messages at that time of the morning...
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Im more concerned that the bl00dy group car attended, and an *appropriate* appliance wasn't responded from elsewhere!!
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Nuri did mate...well maybe, who knows....all's fine :)
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ANGN RESPOND FIRE ALARM ANGAS PARK FRUITS, 3 MURRAY ST, ANGASTON *CFSRES:, FIP ALARM *WFAM*, 11/04/2008 20:55:00 CFS Angaston Response
ANGN: *CFSRES: MORE CREW NEEDED 11-04-08 21:05 CFS Angaston Response
ANGASTON CAR 1 RESPONDING TO FIXED ALARM ANGAS PARK FRUITS DUE TO LACK OF CREW AGAIN !!!!!!!!! CFS Angaston Info
Have to be gettin embarassing now!!!!!!
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ANGN RESPOND FIRE ALARM ANGAS PARK FRUITS, 3 MURRAY ST, ANGASTON *CFSRES:, FIP ALARM *WFAM*, 11/04/2008 20:55:00 CFS Angaston Response
ANGN: *CFSRES: MORE CREW NEEDED 11-04-08 21:05 CFS Angaston Response
ANGASTON CAR 1 RESPONDING TO FIXED ALARM ANGAS PARK FRUITS DUE TO LACK OF CREW AGAIN !!!!!!!!! CFS Angaston Info
Have to be gettin embarassing now!!!!!!
You missed:
MFS: *CFSRES INC076 11/04/08 21:14,RESPOND Fire Alarm,3 MURRAY ST,ANGASTON MAP 0 0 0 TG095,PLS RESPOND AT
REQUEST OF ANGASTON TO A,PRIVATE ALARM AT ANGASTON PARK FRUITS.,NTPA19
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oh well 2 times in 24 hours pretty embarassing!!!
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00:01:16 11-04-08 ANGN RESPOND FIRE ALARM ANGAS PARK FRUITS, 3 MURRAY ST, ANGASTON *CFSRES:, FIP ALARM *WFAM*, 10/04/2008 23:59:29 CFS Angaston Response
00:10:18 11-04-08 ANGN: *CFSRES: MORE CREW NEEDED 11-04-08 00:09 CFS Angaston Response
00:22:54 11-04-08 ANGN: CAR 1 RESPONDING TO ANGAS PARK FRUITS, CAR 1 BECAUSE THERE WASNT A CREW FROM ANGASTON 4/11/2008 12:22:17 AM CFS Angaston Response
00:50:37 11-04-08 ANGN: CAR 1 RETURNED TO BASE AFTER ATTENDING FIRE AARM ANGAS PARK FRUITS, 4/11/2008 12:50:01 AM CFS Angaston Response
I'd probably turn my pager off too if i was getting all those messages at that time of the morning...
You must be in Angaston, thank god I don't live in area's like that, that fire in New Zealand is a prime example of why you shouldn't take alarm calls lightly. Its pretty poor attitude some people have these days, yet they soon want people to come when they have trouble, and I would hardly call that a late event.
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I wouldn't go attacking them, I think its fairly easy to become complacent, what with the majority of alarm calls being false alarms.
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Third time lucky!!! :lol:
1909100 16:00:52 12-04-08 ANGN RESPOND FIRE ALARM ANGAS PARK FRUITS, 3 MURRAY ST, ANGASTON *CFSRES:, FIP ALARM *WFAM*, 12/04/2008 15:59:03 CFS Angaston Group Officers Response
1909101 16:11:39 12-04-08 ANGN: 24P RESPONDING TO ALARM ANGAS PARK FRUITS 4/12/2008 4:11:03 PM CFS Angaston Response
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Ye sure may be a false alarm but one day it will be the real think and the COSO say take the truck to the job.......
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The percentage alarms that turn out to be real fires would be negligable, they serve only to cover the donkey's of companies who are worried about liability (because they have to be in this day and age), I think its a bit unfair to expect a volunteer service to waste their time on a fixed alarm that constantly malfunctions, maybe if they want that kind of system to be 100% monitored and responded to they should think about getting a MFS set up in key problem areas. That or start charging. You could probably name on one hand when a fixed alarm has turned out to be a fire... The government and CFS need to be more aware of the way they treat their volunteers because every year, every new COSO some form of liberation is lost. They should only have ever installed beeping smoke detectors not wired to a modem and a sprinkler system that is sufficient. You listen to the scanner and the turnouts of the mets spending the majority of their time trying to formulate stop codes for some bullshit alarm, it puts the public at risk.
** My opinion only **
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756 Charge (cooking) is what rakes in the moneys! so i dont think they'll stop installing monitored fire alarms too soon :P
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Hmmm only have alarms to cover their behinds hey? :|
What about those alarms that do turn out to be something and the fire brigade gets there ealy and has a big save? We had a alarm to one of our service stations 3am one morning turned out to be a real job, because of the alarm building damage and stock loss was kept to about $400,000 and they were up and running again within 3 weeks. If there had been no monitored alarm the loss to the building would have been over 1 million and a rebuild would have taken months. Not to mention the danger to surrounding homes that were close to that building.
Alot of these new alarm systems are able to isolate particular areas, and i believe in the SOP's/COSO's somewhere doesnt it state if the alarm is constantly malfunctioning it can be isolated until fixed???
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Alot of these new alarm systems are able to isolate particular areas, and i believe in the SOP's/COSO's somewhere doesnt it state if the alarm is constantly malfunctioning it can be isolated until fixed???
yeah and it is a very good thing
But an alarm is no use if a full response isn't sent
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Well my Brigade would rather respond to an alarm malfunction any time of the day with no complants
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Well my Brigade would rather respond to an alarm malfunction any time of the day with no complants
Rather than...?
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Having spent 20 years with the Angaston Group i know how much of a pain it is to get 50% or more of your calls being fixed alarms... But it is still no excuse to send only a car. Having said this, that is not what happened, the next available resource was mobilised..No problem..at all. Is it not better to send a car that is only 2 minutes away to investigate while the next closest brigade is on the way and stop call that brigade and reduce the time they spend on a fixed alarm? As i see it there is no difference in sending a car to this than having a car /GO be first on scene at a wildfire and having an Ops officer / IC on the ground planning before the first truck arrives.
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Well my Brigade would rather respond to an alarm malfunction any time of the day with no complants
Rather than...?
Sorry pager went off so I did not get to finish. I should have said my brigade has been responded to fixed alarms monitored by other brigades as they could not get crews rather than a car or nobody.
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Hmmm only have alarms to cover their behinds hey? :|
What about those alarms that do turn out to be something and the fire brigade gets there ealy and has a big save? We had a alarm to one of our service stations 3am one morning turned out to be a real job, because of the alarm building damage and stock loss was kept to about $400,000 and they were up and running again within 3 weeks. If there had been no monitored alarm the loss to the building would have been over 1 million and a rebuild would have taken months. Not to mention the danger to surrounding homes that were close to that building.
Alot of these new alarm systems are able to isolate particular areas, and i believe in the SOP's/COSO's somewhere doesnt it state if the alarm is constantly malfunctioning it can be isolated until fixed???
I understand what your saying, you would have known it must have been something as soon as you saw the 'Private Alarm' thing, if it isn't a recurring alarm then its probably the real deal.
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well our most common alarm is Woodhouse scout camp now almost every time it goes off it is working as it should (usually it is bbq smoke drifting in the window).
And it comes up as Respond Private alarm and yes it has been a real job once (before i joined)
And because it is able to accommodate up to 300 people in buildings or 8000 outside it is important that every alarm is adequately responded.
now that is just 1 example.
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well our most common alarm is Woodhouse scout camp now almost every time it goes off it is working as it should (usually it is bbq smoke drifting in the window).
And it comes up as Respond Private alarm and yes it has been a real job once (before i joined)
And because it is able to accommodate up to 300 people in buildings or 8000 outside it is important that every alarm is adequately responded.
now that is just 1 example.
But then again, if there are 300 people inside, and 8,000 outside, you'd expect at least one of them to ring 000 and report a fire...
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I hope so :-o
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And it comes up as Respond Private alarm and yes it has been a real job once (before i joined)
If it's the incident I'm thinking of, with the fire in the ceiling of the Bunkhouse the fire was called in rather than an alarm as it was above the smoke detectors. Or was there another.
For any future disturbance esp. during the night I apologise, whilst employed there I worked hard to get a monitored system installed. :evil:
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Having said this, that is not what happened, the next available resource was mobilised..No problem..at all. Is it not better to send a car that is only 2 minutes away to investigate while the next closest brigade is on the way and stop call that brigade and reduce the time they spend on a fixed alarm?
what do you think SAAS does?? sending a 1st response paramedic while the ambulance comes from further away is not abnormal practice - especially with the advent of SPRINT cars this is going to become the norm!!
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Firstly if the system is false alarming you get them to contact the service provider and fix it,it may be that they have the wrong alarm type for that area or there are spider inside the unit or its a cable problem..
secondly send them an account for you attendance for the call out...Sure volunteers don't like going to fixed or private alarms but its part of life just like it is that we go to RCR or grass fire's.I know a number of fulltime firefighters who hate fixed alarms but as they say its there job to attend these...
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And it comes up as Respond Private alarm and yes it has been a real job once (before i joined)
If it's the incident I'm thinking of, with the fire in the ceiling of the Bunkhouse the fire was called in rather than an alarm as it was above the smoke detectors. Or was there another.
For any future disturbance esp. during the night I apologise, whilst employed there I worked hard to get a monitored system installed. :evil:
Yeah it was that one I got told it was an alarm but oh well. :-)
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Is it not better to send a car that is only 2 minutes away to investigate while the next closest brigade is on the way and stop call that brigade and reduce the time they spend on a fixed alarm?
I disagree. I would rather see one person turn up in a fire truck to investigate an alarm than a car. with approapriate backup on the way of course.
I say this because although you still only have 1 crew member, (disappointing really but unfortunately it happens) that person can still set up hoses etc if there does happen to be a fire. At the very least they can provide water if there isnt a sufficient supply at the alarm. Also the backup once they arrive can utilise equipment off of the first arriving truck such as branches, hose, BA etc.
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I understand what your saying, you would have known it must have been something as soon as you saw the 'Private Alarm' thing, if it isn't a recurring alarm then its probably the real deal.
about 40-50% of our yearly alarms down here are one's we've never been called to and probably won't again. And that would be the same for a lot of brigades.
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What do you think SAAS does?? sending a 1st response paramedic while the ambulance comes from further away is not abnormal practice - especially with the advent of SPRINT cars this is going to become the norm!!(Quote)
Thats fine boredmatrix, at least they have gear in them to start treatment whereas a Group Car responding doesnt have firefighting capabilities
SOP 4.5.relates to procedures responding to Automatic/Monitored Fire Alarms.
All responses are also based on responding in a minimum 24 appliance with a minimum of 4 CREW
Further to that an AFA should be a two brigade response at a minimum, and if a brigade is unable to respond they must default to the next brigade not a group car :-o
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11:59:07 14-04-08 MBKR: CFSRES: MT BARKER CENTRAL ALARM ACTIVATED RESPOND MT BARKER STN
12:01:20 14-04-08 MFS: *CFSRES INC018 14/04/08 12:00,RESPOND COMMERCIAL FIRE,! B/ 13 MACLAREN ST,MT BARKER MAP 172 M 6 TG128,FAT FIRE IN SHOP ADJACENT BI LO,MBKR19 LTHT00
By crikey...... these fire alarms are a useless annoyance.
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That's true SAFirey, but in this case, it would appear that the command car went, AND the next nearest brigade was also called - I can't see a problem with that part of it.
Perhaps the issue is that only one brigade was sent to the alarm, not two, which perhaps should have occurred....
Pip
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11:59:07 14-04-08 MBKR: CFSRES: MT BARKER CENTRAL ALARM ACTIVATED RESPOND MT BARKER STN
12:01:20 14-04-08 MFS: *CFSRES INC018 14/04/08 12:00,RESPOND COMMERCIAL FIRE,! B/ 13 MACLAREN ST,MT BARKER MAP 172 M 6 TG128,FAT FIRE IN SHOP ADJACENT BI LO,MBKR19 LTHT00
By crikey...... these fire alarms are a useless annoyance.
A classic example of them not all being FALSE eh :wink:
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A classic example of them not all being FALSE eh :wink:
Also a classic example of someone ringing 000, and the fire service being responded anyway ;)
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A classic example of them not all being FALSE eh :wink:
Also a classic example of someone ringing 000, and the fire service being responded anyway ;)
Agree :wink:
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CFS Firey, there have been many cases where a fixed alarm has operated, no 000 calls received, and a small fire extinguished before doing significant damage. These jobs of course don't make the news so they go mostly unnoticed.
Of course 99% are false alarms but you can't always rely on 000.
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A classic example of them not all being FALSE eh :wink:
Also a classic example of someone ringing 000, and the fire service being responded anyway ;)
Except for the fact that barker had a two minute jump on it... im sure most people on here realise that 2 minutes can make a major differance.
Personally ive been to countless false alarms... ive also been to several AFAs that were going fires. The falsies are annoying, but its part of the job, get over it or get out.
Dont forget there are ways of dealing with alarms that are constantly malfunctioning... I think youll find though that most activate for a reason.
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I still fail to see the issue here. As long as the appropriate number of appliances were turned out to the job, I don't see any issue with the command car responding.
Multiple alarm activations over a small time period need to be handled by the OIC attending. If people are working (sanding/cleaning etc) in the zone, perhaps its best to isolate it until such work is finished, if there is an obvious malfunction, perhaps then it too needs to be isolated until a servicing company can be called to fix the issue. There are many things that the attending brigades can do to stop the multiple activations in a day.
Its good of Barker to provide a great example for us right now, that not ALL AFA's are false.
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MFS: *CFSRES INC018 16/04/08 09:56,RESPOND COMMERCIAL FIRE,RUNDLE MALL,ADELAIDE MAP B F 5 TG182,ENTER VIA TWIN STREET - OVEN FIRE,AD2015 41 ADL203 ADL204 ADL202 MFS Car 41
Another example this job appliances were already enroute BEFORE the fire alarm at City Cross activated :wink: Another fat fire
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Thats fine boredmatrix, at least they have gear in them to start treatment whereas a Group Car responding doesnt have firefighting capabilities
SOP 4.5.relates to procedures responding to Automatic/Monitored Fire Alarms.
All responses are also based on responding in a minimum 24 appliance with a minimum of 4 CREW
Further to that an AFA should be a two brigade response at a minimum, and if a brigade is unable to respond they must default to the next brigade not a group car :-o
Firstly SOP's are a guide only - Not the law or a COSO. Secondly there is nothing to State that all AFA's should be a two brigade response, further more if there is no pre determined response for a premises with AFA systems then 1 truck would be suficient. SOP 2.1 states recomendednot "It Shall be".
One could also argue that the "Closest most appropriate resource" was a command car that could get there 2 or 3 minutes (or more) ahead of a truck to make assessment on the need to upgrade or not?