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Title: New CFS QRV's
Post by: Bagyassfirey on September 27, 2009, 11:01:34 AM
does anyone know what chassis the new QRV's are being built on?? i see at royal show that there was one on a Nissan Patrol cab chassis rather than the land cruiser. Any ideas???
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: Darren on September 27, 2009, 11:25:00 AM
Not sure about this round, but from Arthur's newsletter he seems very keen to pursue Nissan Patrols from now on. reasons as follows

1) they are cheaper
2) the axle weights are higher than the Landcruiser - specifically the front axle loading
3) everyone else is going that way
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: crashndash on September 27, 2009, 11:31:06 AM
I'm pretty sure there was an email out to Brigades from from Arthur and Tech Services recently with a state of the nation type report on all the projects that they have uinderway including the change of chassis for the QRV.

If I remember correctly Patrol was selected after some issues were identified with the Toyota's subframe or brakes (cant quite remember which)..and cost  :wink:
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: Bagyassfirey on September 27, 2009, 11:38:23 AM
ahhh nice i prefer a patrol (personal choice) i know there cheaper  and i thought that mite be the answer. cheers guys!
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: Bagyassfirey on September 27, 2009, 12:08:27 PM
anyone know how many QRV's there will be 4 this fire season and where they are going?
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: BundyBear on September 27, 2009, 05:41:40 PM
Nissan Patrols I hope not I know a CFS brigade that has had nothing but trouble with their command car and I know a few lads that work for DEH that don't speak  highly of them and can't wait to get rid of them.

Problems I've heard of is ECU problems, sensor and oil leaks and I know a private owner of one his turbo destroyed it's self.

They are a capable vehicle off road but their reliabilty is of a real concern, plus how many of these do you see on mining sites where the vehicles are punished on a daily basis not many, it's usually a sea of Landcruiser utes and the new ones go real well!

No I'm not a salesman for Toyota :-D
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: Alex on September 27, 2009, 10:36:40 PM
$$$$$
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: bajdas on September 28, 2009, 08:59:20 AM
What is the leg room like for rear seat passengers ?

I have heard it is an issue in the Nissan's (but this would be an older model than being discussed here).
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: jaff on September 28, 2009, 09:20:01 AM
What is the leg room like for rear seat passengers ?

I have heard it is an issue in the Nissan's (but this would be an older model than being discussed here).



Brilliant leg room, you can stretch out on the tray , no problem :wink:
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: Bagyassfirey on September 28, 2009, 10:31:51 AM
probably shuldn laugh but oh what the heck hahahaha.  :-D
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: bajdas on September 28, 2009, 10:42:25 AM
What is the leg room like for rear seat passengers ?

I have heard it is an issue in the Nissan's (but this would be an older model than being discussed here).

Brilliant leg room, you can stretch out on the tray , no problem :wink:

Yeh, but change the water tank to a bladder. Then you can have a waterbed    :-D
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: SA Firey on January 19, 2010, 08:07:19 PM
Pics added
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: Mike on January 20, 2010, 06:14:34 AM
[OT] Was that SES 'van' as ugly as i imagine it to be? (judging from the small impression you can get from the photos)
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: Zippy on January 20, 2010, 06:51:16 AM
[OT] Was that SES 'van' as ugly as i imagine it to be? (judging from the small impression you can get from the photos)

It woulda been nice if they put on display some of the more decent vehicles used by the volunteer services...to compare against the MFS Volvo...  E.g a Isuzu SES Rescue Truck & a CFS 34P latest model.

Showing off these small lil additional trucks sends particularly myself an image that we run about with lil bits of water here and there and with crew's of 2.  The public who mostly have some or no awareness of the CFS take face value to create there opinion.

And from what ive heard this car is urgently needed actually in some stations. Take a look at some of the QAV/mini-14's out there still...falling to bits & OHS nightmares.
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: Bagyassfirey on January 20, 2010, 08:35:55 AM
very nice im sure a brigade somwhere round the state will benefit!
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: Burnover on January 20, 2010, 11:13:03 AM
The Victorian version costs $120,000. Seems very expensive for a glorified slip-on.
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: SA Firey on January 20, 2010, 09:50:28 PM
[OT] Was that SES 'van' as ugly as I imagine it to be? (judging from the small impression you can get from the photos)

Yeah Mike it is 100% fugly...based on a Ford Transit Cab Chassis :roll:
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: Alex on January 21, 2010, 12:13:58 AM
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Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: Alex on January 21, 2010, 12:14:41 AM
[OT] Was that SES 'van' as ugly as I imagine it to be? (judging from the small impression you can get from the photos)

Yeah Mike it is 100% fugly...based on a Ford Transit Cab Chassis :roll:

And yet relatively practical for zipping around the city to various storm damage jobs. And i would imagine reasonably priced compared to some of the light truck/utility [read F350] chassis being used.
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: Mike on January 21, 2010, 07:14:42 AM
[OT] They are looking at them as a fleet replacement across the board. (F350, FTS 500's.... the lot)
They may very well be practical for the metro units, but I have my doubts about the country units....
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: Andrew K on January 24, 2010, 07:35:56 PM

last i'd heard it was to replace the hilux utes we've got as light response which if thats true it may be a better option as those utes aren't much good for anything but crew transport and very small jobs but i can't see them replacing the F250's as those are meant to tow the usar trailers which this would have no hope towing. and from what i'm hearing that van is supposed to be a 7 seater god knows how, as you'll be sitting in each others laps, and by the looks of the stowage it will be a storm damage unit and some general rescue as you won't be able to cram everything onto it like we do on the trucks now, it may work well for a stand alone road crash unit but as a general rescue truck replacement i'm doubting its use.

hopefully i'm getting to have a closer look in the next week or so might be able to get some pics up of it
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: ftstn on January 25, 2010, 06:54:57 PM
TasSES are going to the transits in a big way, Both as a Storm Response/General rescue vehicle and as a RAR response vehicle, no big issues I have heard of, belts for 7 but i would say 5 or 6 realistically

Maffu
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: Bagyassfirey on July 09, 2010, 01:37:55 PM
So has anyone been near Angle Park to see if there is any new QRV's around? Anyone know how Upper Sturt are finding there new one on the Nissan Patrol?
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: safireservice on July 09, 2010, 06:36:03 PM
So has anyone been near Angle Park to see if there is any new QRV's around? Anyone know how Upper Sturt are finding there new one on the Nissan Patrol?
I saw that Tumby Bay got one a week or two ago.
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: Darcyq on July 10, 2010, 07:26:13 PM

Noticed that Pinnaroo's 16 (QAV) was back at Moores this week and has had a half width crew deck fitted to the drivers side.
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: ltdan on July 12, 2010, 03:51:23 AM
So has anyone been near Angle Park to see if there is any new QRV's around? Anyone know how Upper Sturt are finding there new one on the Nissan Patrol?

Great small fire appliance !!

Has been to several fire responses where a 14 canter or bigger would not fit.

Pump is good, can pump water from the branch of the hosereel 30 metres.

Equipment allocation well thought out and designed.

Had a small problem with a diesel leak from the modified fuel tank but has been rectified.

Besides that great little truck.

I believe they are building another 6 at the moment, but not 100% sure
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: Bagyassfirey on July 12, 2010, 08:57:24 AM
So has anyone been near Angle Park to see if there is any new QRV's around? Anyone know how Upper Sturt are finding there new one on the Nissan Patrol?

Great small fire appliance !!

Has been to several fire responses where a 14 canter or bigger would not fit.

Pump is good, can pump water from the branch of the hosereel 30 metres.

Equipment allocation well thought out and designed.

Had a small problem with a diesel leak from the modified fuel tank but has been rectified.

Besides that great little truck.

I believe they are building another 6 at the moment, but not 100% sure

Oh nice its good to hear some positve reports about something for once. Yea someone said they think Tumby Bay got one a few weeks back i reckon these and bulk water carriers will become pretty prominent in next 20 years!
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: senti@nt on July 12, 2010, 09:19:34 AM
I know when we first used the QAV operationally before it went to Upper Sturt it had a few niggles, maybe caused by unfamiliarity.  The one way valve from tank to pump can cause a big boom (which it did when I gave it water from an ol' dakka dakka) when someone inadvertantly tries to fill from the pump inlet rather than the tiny hydrant fill line and secondly the bleeder valve on top of the tank had to be lifted to bleed out the air before the tank blew up like a balloon.  The latter probably just a fault.  The one way valve could have been a problem moreso in the fact it would (and did) render the QAV U/S from a minor mistake by filling up from the wrong green inlet.

My only niggles would be the small diameter hydrant fill piping which didn't seem help with speedy tank fills, actually took a fair amount of time to fill the little tank and secondly that damn check valve...

My opinion only.
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: ftstn on July 12, 2010, 04:46:10 PM
With refilling the tank, is there a recirculation pipe back in to the top of the tank?, on the TFS version we fill through the suction inlet with a length of 64mm duraline, we open the Tank to pump valve and also the Recirc valve with is a two way valve that also feeds the 38mm and 25mm outlet, then turn the standpipe on takes about 5 minutes to fill ( might need a photo to make this clear Let me Know)

Maffu
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: ltdan on July 13, 2010, 01:26:56 AM
I know when we first used the QAV operationally before it went to Upper Sturt it had a few niggles, maybe caused by unfamiliarity.  The one way valve from tank to pump can cause a big boom (which it did when I gave it water from an ol' dakka dakka) when someone inadvertantly tries to fill from the pump inlet rather than the tiny hydrant fill line and secondly the bleeder valve on top of the tank had to be lifted to bleed out the air before the tank blew up like a balloon.  The latter probably just a fault.  The one way valve could have been a problem moreso in the fact it would (and did) render the QAV U/S from a minor mistake by filling up from the wrong green inlet.

My only niggles would be the small diameter hydrant fill piping which didn't seem help with speedy tank fills, actually took a fair amount of time to fill the little tank and secondly that damn check valve...

My opinion only.

The smaller diameter hydrant fill point has not changed.   But it would not take longer than 2 minutes to fill a tank.  If anything the way the tank system over flows is more of an issue than the time it takes to fill a tank.  The check valve would only be a problem if you filled via the suction inlet and not the hydrant inlet.

With refilling the tank, is there a recirculation pipe back in to the top of the tank?, on the TFS version we fill through the suction inlet with a length of 64mm duraline, we open the Tank to pump valve and also the Recirc valve with is a two way valve that also feeds the 38mm and 25mm outlet, then turn the standpipe on takes about 5 minutes to fill ( might need a photo to make this clear Let me Know)

Maffu

No there is no recirculation pipe straight back into the top of the tank.
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: 6739264 on July 13, 2010, 10:52:51 PM
Dear CFS,

Welcome to 2010, you do realise you're meant to be able to fill the tank VIA the collectors?


With love,
Anyone who knows anything about firefighting
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: Zippy on July 14, 2010, 03:05:56 AM
seconded
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: Bagyassfirey on September 29, 2010, 07:10:17 PM
i see the new QRV'S are at Angle Park the Vic built ones yet to be badged as of yet!
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: bittenyakka on October 11, 2010, 01:16:27 PM
Can somone explain this "not beign able to fill the truck from the inlets" does this mean you can;t realistically relay?  So far all the hydrant fills i have come accross are extra baggage on the truck and If you are taught how to pump properly use the real inlets.
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: Bagyassfirey on November 04, 2010, 05:02:27 PM
04-11-10 17:14:37 Handover and familiarisation of new QRV next Tues 9th Nov at 1900 hrs at station. Be good to get as many there as possible - Capt. - CFS Tanunda Info

Anyone know who else is getting a new one or extra vehicle?
Title: Re: New CFS QRV's
Post by: 6739264 on November 05, 2010, 10:37:36 AM
Can somone explain this "not beign able to fill the truck from the inlets" does this mean you can;t realistically relay?  So far all the hydrant fills i have come accross are extra baggage on the truck and If you are taught how to pump properly use the real inlets.

You can still relay pump as the water is just going into the collectors, being energised by the pump and then out the deliveries to the next pump. If there is no dedicated Pump to Tank valve or recirculation valve (Yeah, generally the same thing, just different diameters) then the only way to back fill the tank is to crack the Tank to Pump valve, assuming that its not a one way valve. If thats the case then... well... *sigh*