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Hypotheticals / Re: Structure Fire Entanglement Hazard
« on: May 22, 2011, 02:42:32 PM »
Ah yes, back to the coalface...

I'll try to stay away from the training discussion and slam all of that into the other Structure Fire training thread.

As I said previously, it's great to see that people are thinking outside the box and starting to equip themselves appropriately.

I would propose that CFS doesn't train to think beyond the straight and narrow. eg why don't we learn on our BA course to start grabong axes, haligans and other tools to be ready. it is jsut Get ba set and hose and guideline...

It's more that the Operate Breathing Apparatus, Open Circuit course is merely that. It teaches you to operate an open circuit breathing apparatus. Its not a Suppress Urban Fire course. It's CABA plus some safe working practices in low visibility. Really, this is not the fault of the CFS, its hard to pack much more into the weekend and we can't forget that some people struggle with the basics of putting an airset on, let alone the rest of the firefighting gig. Urban firefighting needs to be expanded, but there are numerous barriers to that occurring.

A knife, that will not help too much.
Now if you had a Leatherman will Pliers, it might help some more.

On cutting/self rescue tools, I carry a knife and a set of 10" Cable cutters. The knife is for Rescue work, or a last ditch effort to cut my CABA harness; the Cable cutters rip through anything else. I'm not a huge fan of relying on a small multi tool to perform rugged work with structural gloves on. My multi tool sits tucked away on my suspenders.

Well i have noting in my normal gear that would help me. mainly because i am not one to put my own $$ into buying cool knives and tools to be carried on the person. Not to mention tools carried on the person seem to be generally discouraged in CFS.

Some call them "cool knives and tools" but frankly, they're there to serve a lifesaving purpose and from numerous personal experiences, I'd rather have them on me than not. I'm yet to see personal tools discouraged in CFS, whats happened that you've noticed? Sure you might cop a bit of stick, but its your life that it's going to save, no?

you work for Fire and Rescue Australia and are trying to flog their Structural Collapse procedural trainer??   :evil:

Haha, I wish! But let's not forget that structural collapse (USAR) and downed firefighter rescue are two totally different things :evil:

Pumprescue is on the mark, one of the biggest hassles I have seen in your standard domestic house fire is the amount of air-conditioning duct cwire that get tangled around everything.

Your helmet torch and the cylinder valve assembly make great points for this stuff to attach itself to. I used my Leatherman at a job a month a go to cut my partner free, it aint no Cunnos $2 special, but it still worked.

Exactly, ducting is a pain in the arse. I'm also surprised that more brigades aren't moving to a helmet torch mounted under the brim (far less entanglement hazard), given the number of options that are often cheaper than the current "standard" UK torch mounting options.

...why doesn't the CFS do what the Mets do, and use designated RITs?

My question is "what do METS have in place in regard to RIT"? We first need hard evidence of what we should have, or be doing before we can request a change by the CFS Management. If METS have a formal training package that covers RIT I'd be interested to know why CFS brigades that also have an urban response don't have access to it. What makes our lives less valuable! Because really, that's what it comes down too.

Call me crazy, but why do we have to follow the lead of SAMFS? There are other agencies in Australia that have a decent RIT setup, although nowhere near what is being implemented around the US. Why don't we look at how the Yanks run their RIT operations?

Its not hard to have an assigned crew who then get the required equipment and standby only for firefighter rescue.

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All Equipment discussion / Re: SEM goes into Administration
« on: May 19, 2011, 09:31:39 PM »
Oops...

It's ok, we've still got Moore Engineering!

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Hypotheticals / Re: Structure Fire Entanglement Hazard
« on: May 09, 2011, 03:41:58 PM »
Good discussion so far, although it'd be great to hear a little more about how you work through the Hazard with whats in your gear. I know we have one man that carries a knife, anyone else?

Additionally, if you hear a DSU set off and are outside, what are you thinking about? What course of action do you take?

Great pickup on the training areas, can you guess why I started this thread yet?

I'll let this run for a bit longer before I throw my $0.02 into the mix

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Hypotheticals / Re: Structure Fire Entanglement Hazard
« on: May 08, 2011, 08:29:01 AM »
If you've been there a while shouldnt your DSU have gone off by now alerting others there is something wrong?

If you're not moving...

Not sure about you, but if I'm struggling to free myself, I'm usually wiggling enough to keep my DSU from going into alarm.

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SAAS / Re: old paramedic books
« on: May 07, 2011, 10:44:25 PM »
I often find chickens go cheap, but anyhow...

Any specific topics under paramedical or nursing?

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Hypotheticals / Structure Fire Entanglement Hazard
« on: May 07, 2011, 10:37:51 PM »
You're fighting a fire in a medium sized commercial premises. The ceiling falls in on you and your partner. In the mess of ceiling tiles and assorted debris lies bundles and bundles of electrical, telephone, network, and other assorted cabling. The airconditioner ductwork has burnt through to its metal ribbing and has falling in on you as well.

You and your partner are stuck, and massively entangled. You've got a minimum amount of movement but its obvious that you're not going anywhere fast. Visibility is low, as always. You've been in there a while, and your cylinder is emptying by the breath.

What do you do?

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Country Fire Service / Re: Sooky La La Staff
« on: May 07, 2011, 10:23:19 AM »
Sure, you go first...

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Maybe and MFS member came across it and thought to ring one of the members who live almost on top of the station? and as for ses, the mfs have a thing going with them that they call them to rcr's, probably find the SO rang the ses duty officer.... but yeah why the request cant go through adelaide fire i dont know.

Nothing wrong with the initial emerg page. Same as punching the manual turnout button at any station.

Just a curiosity about the SES. I'm not aware of the areas that either SAMFS or SASES cover down that way, just noted the SES turnout was not via AF nor was the location correct. Can't think why a local response arrangement isn't put to AF to have it occur automatically.

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21:19:40 STN 71 EMERGENCY PAGE

21:21:17 MFS: *CFSRES INC070 02/05/11 21:20,RESPOND RCR,CNR INMAN VALLEY RD & SWAINS CROSSING RD,VICTOR HARBOR MAP 309 E 10 TG195,1 PERSON TRAPPED. NO FURTHER DETAILS, CA,LL FROM SAPOL,VHB719

21:29:17 RCR SWAIN CROSSING AND EDEN VALLEY ROAD VICTOR HARBOR 1 TRAPPED - SES South Coast Response

Wow, no self responding there! They even managed to get the location wrong.

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SAMFS / Re: RECRUITMENT 2011
« on: April 30, 2011, 03:57:31 PM »
If it uses a US dictionary then you are going to get the US spelling. EG: Humor (US) vs Humour (Aus/UK)

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SAAS / Re: SAAS Motorcycle
« on: April 25, 2011, 02:51:35 PM »
I think he's a bit more than a Cert 2 driving trainer.

last I heard he is SAAS's driving standards manager.....

Ah yes, that would make him Cat eleven.

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Country Fire Service / Re: Use of fire sirens
« on: April 24, 2011, 03:06:08 PM »
Other than normal annual maintenance and monthly testing, what more can you do? These things happen, just the same as any other appliance or equipment failure.

umm....preventative maintenance maybe?....do you wait until the appliance breaks down before u check fluids etc. It's a 2 minute job to CRC the siren and give it a spin around....



Hahaha sure. We'll get a crane out every week so we can CRC the thing.

Send the bill to region "As per Siren Policy" or just get the 5 out of 20 to head up :P

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Incidents / Re: HAZMAT Investigator College Goolwa
« on: April 24, 2011, 03:05:18 PM »
Would I be right in thinking that when Victor MFS arrived, that station officer Ewens took over as Incident Controller? 

Actually, further to this, why would he? I believe Goolwa is CFS area no?

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Country Fire Service / Re: Heavy Pumper
« on: April 23, 2011, 12:00:20 PM »
hope the new QRV's go somewhere with a use! Next to useless on the flat country!

Fit them with a PTO pump and hey presto, Quick Attack Pumpers...

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Country Fire Service / Re: Heavy Pumper
« on: April 23, 2011, 10:59:16 AM »
With the way the rescue stowage has been decimated over the last few years you would be lucky to need a stout backpack....

Frankly a duffel bag will do. To make a backpack "stout" costs $$$ you know!

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Country Fire Service / Re: New AIRS Reporting forms
« on: April 23, 2011, 07:59:41 AM »
Hmmmm there is a reason that it is version 5.0 so that changes can be made.

There is also a reason people proof read their documents before sending them out to 15,000 odd employees and asking them to implement it...  ;)

The COSO/SOP and OMG handbook and its hundreds of errors would like a word with you about your logic...

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Incidents / Re: HAZMAT Investigator College Goolwa
« on: April 22, 2011, 09:34:47 PM »
Wow... almost four years ago...

Really?

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Country Fire Service / Re: Heavy Pumper
« on: April 22, 2011, 10:22:32 AM »
I heard that it was being delivered to a brigade the formerly had a dedicated rescue...

Although you have to wonder how much empty space the truck will have, as the current CFS rescue stowage takes up about one and a bit lockers.

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SAMFS / Re: District Officer in Regional SAMFS
« on: April 22, 2011, 10:18:38 AM »
What is the role of the training coordinator?

To coordinate training in regional areas?

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Country Fire Service / Re: Heavy Pumper
« on: April 20, 2011, 02:34:14 PM »

Its a 24P, with a PTO pump. Nothing more, nothing less. Having a PTO driven pump does not an Urban Pumper make.

You'll notice that Bridgewater "Pumper" was part of a run of five appliances built. These are:

Bridgewater Pumper
Nuriootpa 24P
Waikerie URP
Bordertown URP
Roxby Downs URP

Pick a callsign and appliance designation, I've got a hat full!

It's disappointing to see that CFS will not enforce correct appliance classification and callsign usage.


Also Coromandel Valley 24P. Similar build, PTO driven 500gpm pump and 3in 3out.

Although not part of the same build run, it is very similar.

Oh dear god it does say that......just when I couldn't lose any more faith in this service something else comes along to drop it even lower....the paid boffins don't understand they trucks they issue us....fishing rod where are you!!

:D

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Country Fire Service / Re: Heavy Pumper
« on: April 20, 2011, 10:19:15 AM »
34P is 3000LPM....huh? Yeah, it has 3000 litres in its tank and you could probable empty it in a minute if you tried hard enough....Unless things have changed we can't get anything more out of our 34P than we could out of our 24P. I hope your toungue was in your cheek.

Not at all, for once.

SACFS COSO + SOP's (October 2010) Glossary states:
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24P Tanker: An tanker [sic] with 2000 litre water carrying capacity and 4-wheel drive. Pump capability 2000 litres per minute and can carry a specialist resource eg RCR or Hazmat

34P Tanker: An tanker [sic] with 3000 litre water carrying capacity and 4-wheel drive. Pump capability 3000 litres per minute and can carry a specialist resource eg RCR or Hazmat

You'll note that it gives no output pressure for the lpm rating, so it could well be 3000lpm @ 1kpa.

If anyone has a better and more clearly defined classification for SACFS trucks, please feel free to correct me. (and the SOP's)

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Country Fire Service / Re: Heavy Pumper
« on: April 20, 2011, 12:05:52 AM »
where does Bridgewater's pumper fit into your assessement of things?

Its a 24P, with a PTO pump. Nothing more, nothing less. Having a PTO driven pump does not an Urban Pumper make.

You'll notice that Bridgewater "Pumper" was part of a run of five appliances built. These are:

Bridgewater Pumper
Nuriootpa 24P
Waikerie URP
Bordertown URP
Roxby Downs URP

Pick a callsign and appliance designation, I've got a hat full!

It's disappointing to see that CFS will not enforce correct appliance classification and callsign usage.

Bridgewater pumper would be classed as a light pumper going off the specs, its the same as a 24P/34P, 500GPM pump, only thing different is the 2in 2out.

Don't forget a 24P and 34P differ, as one is rated to pump 2000lpm the other 3000lpm. The 500GPM pump would sit Bridgewater "Pumper" happily in the 24P class of appliance.

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SAMFS / Re: Appliance numbering
« on: April 19, 2011, 11:42:12 PM »
what is the "pool car"?

Its a slip on system, it can either carry spare cues, balls and chalk, OR chlorine, noodles and floaties.

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SAMFS / Re: RECRUITMENT 2011
« on: April 19, 2011, 11:40:47 PM »
Just a curiosity here, why the obsession with the number of people failing/passing?

The less people the better the chances.  :roll:

Why not just study and train and thus make sure that no matter how many apply, you are in with a decent chance?

Its a selection process, not a lottery.

Relying on your own merits rather than attrition is certainly the best way to go about things, no?

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Country Fire Service / Re: Heavy Pumper
« on: April 19, 2011, 01:23:51 AM »
How about,how many pumpers  with over 3000lpm capacity?.  I see a number of Isuzu's similar to CFA and FRNSW.

The Isuzu's are the FRNSW Type 2 Build. There are 6 of them off the top of my head, at Murray Bridge, Millicent, Happy Valley, Mount Barker, Hahndorf and Eden Hills. They have the Rosenbauer NH30 pump, rated to 3000lpm/ 1000kpa.

As for pumpers "Over 3000lpm/1000kpa" you'd be looking at million dollar abomination that is The Dennis at Morphett Vale, the slightly bent, but still "new" Volvo at Burnside and the other million dollar lemon Pumper at Stirling. All three of these were prototype builds/buys and the only one that operated as a fire truck should have from day one was Burnside's Volvo. The Dennis and the Isuzu at Stirling have cost hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars to continually patch. They finally solved both problems with the Dennis looking to be scraped, and Stirling's pumper getting a MAJOR refit, pump and all last year.

"Heavy" Pumpers and the SACFS have a rather rocky relationship...

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