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Technical Discussion => ALL Rescue => Topic started by: Mike on October 13, 2005, 07:39:10 AM

Title: Vehicle Setup
Post by: Mike on October 13, 2005, 07:39:10 AM
Just out of intrest,

Is there anyone out there who doesnt have their RCR setup on the passenger side of the vehicle?

I cant think of any that I have seen so far that arnt setup in this manner.

I know SES get to design their own cabinates for this discipline, But not sure how much input CFS allow.

For those that have been involved, what sort of ideas have their been about layout when commissioning?
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: TillerMan on October 13, 2005, 10:09:59 AM
I know the type 2's have the rescue gear on the driver's side, (nuri pumper is setup on the driver's side). Can't think of too many others, most have 24p's which are all on the passenger's side.
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: Steveg on October 16, 2005, 08:17:25 PM
that's right. the type 2 has the rescue gear on the drivers side.
this is how the appliances are built by SEM, before they are released to CFS.
i think the reasoning behind this is that the full height locked on the passenger side is for BA & Hazmat, as is is safer there than on the road-side, whereas if you are at a job where the RCR gear is needed, you are most likely to have the road blocked, so it is safe to be working on the road side of the vehicle.
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: rescue5271 on October 22, 2005, 07:48:51 PM
Our rescue gear is in the rear lift up door and we have our cave rescue gear in the drivers side lockers along with air bags and two boxes of wooden blocks,step chocks.
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: OMGWTF on October 22, 2005, 09:05:01 PM
i think from memory that blackwood have rescue gear on there rescue on the drivers side.. unsure, i know the chocks/wooden blocks are on drivers side
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: CFS_Firey on October 23, 2005, 01:46:43 AM
On a rescue vehicle, there is rescue gear on both the drivers and passenger's side OMGWTF  :-P.

Stirling's hydraulic rescue tools are stowed on the passengers side, however, in terms of road safety, remember that the tools are only taken off once... the best part about having them on the passengers side is that when parked in the fend off position, the tools will be on the side closest to the incident...
steveg, how do you manage to get the roads closed? I would say the majority of our rescues are performed while the traffic is still flowing, mainly because accidents tend to happen on main arterial roads (like the SE freeway, Uppersturt road etc...) SAPOL like to keep the traffic moving...  :|
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: OMGWTF on October 23, 2005, 01:54:37 AM
On a rescue vehicle, there is rescue gear on both the drivers and passenger's side OMGWTF  :-P.


Right... well i thought it was fairly obvious what i meant... but for the smart alec's out there, what i meant was; blackwoods hydraulic tools are stored on drivers side
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: CFS_Firey on October 23, 2005, 01:57:42 AM
Right... well i thought it was fairly obvious what i meant... but for the smart alec's out there, what i meant was; blackwoods hydraulic tools are stored on drivers side

I knew what you meant, Sorry mate :lol:
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: OMGWTF on October 23, 2005, 02:12:07 AM
anyway managed a good look when we were investigating differant rescue set-ups for possibility at our station...
there passenger side is actually taken up by hoses/branches/etc...
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: Wagon 1 on October 23, 2005, 01:08:55 PM
I think the first dual cab 24P's had a poor setup for the rescue gear, from the Mills Tui Generation onwards they have a fantastic setup, hope it doesn't change anytime soon, only thing they need is more shelving above the RCR gear.

Only thing I find strange is HQ are still dishing out the new better setup 24P/34P's to non-rescue brigades, wouldn't the smart thing be to hand them to the RCR brigades, make life easier for them.


Just a thought?
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: Stefan KIRKMOE on October 23, 2005, 01:13:53 PM
Burnside Pumper Rescue is set up in the rear locker, semi connected but more space to have it all pre connected would be awesome..... From memory TTG 14 has the rescue gear on the drivers side, Eden Type 2 has the RIV on drivers side, Barker has most of it's hydraulic gear on passengers side, Adelaide SAMFS 204 is passenger side, most SAMFS pump rescue's are set up  in the rear locker.....
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: Mike on October 24, 2005, 08:59:03 AM
Will try and get some photos of the SES cabinate setup, so you can have a bit of a look..... Would be interested is others could get some as well.....
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: strikeathird on October 24, 2005, 12:16:19 PM
Unless an appliance is a designated Rescue tender, I think the setup at the Rear is often the most convinient...

However, also agree the passenger side when in fend-off is not a bad option.
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: Mike on March 03, 2006, 07:09:06 AM
Got this photo late last night. (am suffering for it today!)
One of the better designs Ive seen in a while.

Hard protection hangs on a hook behind the hydraulics, easy to get off when the tray is slid out for operations, but when the tray is in secures them nicely in place. 2 large airbags also live behind hydraulics.

The cutters and spreaders are on hinged brackets. The theory is you fold them out and walk off. (i think they must have been as tired as me, it looks like they're in backwards. -they had been going a fair while I'm told-)
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: Mike on March 03, 2006, 07:10:23 AM
Sorry bout the quality. Never been one for image editing. :(

Edit: that looks better! Think I just passed a crash course.....
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: medevac on March 03, 2006, 08:27:59 AM
mike; what appliance is that shot of?
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: Mike on March 03, 2006, 08:44:41 AM
650 (Strath Rescue - SES)....
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: medevac on March 03, 2006, 09:17:15 AM
cheers, looks like a good setup, plenty of space for the guys to play with
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: probie_boy on March 03, 2006, 11:27:53 AM
yeah never actually seen a proper RCR truck setup. wow. the best RCR truck i think is stirlings RCR. it just looks like a good truck, even though its small and old. a good setup too apparently.
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: Alan (Big Al) on March 03, 2006, 01:54:34 PM
Barkers new rescue setup is pretty sweet.

Yes those SES setups are pretty nice, it's amazing what you can do when nearly unlimited funds and input into the setup of your appliance.

Were trying to get a reel setup for our 24P but need some more funds.

Mt Compass removed 2 BA sets from their 24P and put two reels in that locker, but they've only got 2x20m of hose so have to park really close.
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: TillerMan on March 03, 2006, 01:58:46 PM
The MFS setup is really good, whilst it is fixed in the locker it can be removed easily, have only had to remove it once at a tractor crash on a farm. Other than that it works well for the majority of MVAs when all that needs to be done is pop a door.
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: medevac on March 03, 2006, 02:51:40 PM
Barkers new rescue setup is pretty sweet.


i didnt think the barker boys were happy with the locker set up on the new rescue/type 2... jason?
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: CFS_Firey on March 03, 2006, 03:19:50 PM
Barkers new rescue setup is pretty sweet.
I've heard otherwise as well... apparently they can't fit as much rescue equipment on, as they would like...
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: rescue5271 on March 03, 2006, 03:29:40 PM
Would like to know how much the rescue pumper weights now that it has that big nite light on it????
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: medevac on March 03, 2006, 03:53:11 PM
^^mm dunno...

yeah from what i have heard barker rescue has relatively cramped lockers, and is set up as a pumper, not a rescue (if that makessense, as in lockers are zactly the same as eden hills, or hahndorf..)
having issues with fitting all there heavy rescue gear on board.

jason shud be able to confirm, hes from barker i believe?
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: TillerMan on March 03, 2006, 04:14:25 PM
Yes barker are having problems fitting all equipment on because the passengers side has to be minimum stowage such as B.A, Hose, Branches etc. and on the drivers side one large locker is the Hydraulic tools, one locker is just the Generator which leaves one small locker for chocks etc. The small rear lockers where the flaked hose is meant to go has also been used for chocks.
That leaves Stokes, Spinal board and a whole lot of other small equipment without a home.

By the way i doubt the light on top would make a huge difference to weight as it wouldn't be that heavy, maybe 100kg or so.
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: Sam on May 20, 2006, 01:28:31 PM
As you said the TYPE 2 needs to be customised to the Brigades own feel. The passenger side is completely taken up by BA hoses.... Spinal boards rakes and the assorted slide behind the cab in a locker, just. It certainly has more room than a standard 24P. I see the more gear the better but there is a limit in using your skills with the equipment you have got i think.
Thats my opinion
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: chook on October 28, 2007, 12:47:15 PM
"Yes those SES setups are pretty nice, it's amazing what you can do when nearly unlimited funds and input into the setup of your appliance."
Not sure where you got those ideas from :|. Little user input sought, left locker can be a little shallow especially with the Trimo pumps (they have to be removed from the Din frame or mounted sideways). Unlimited funds? we get less than Safecom themselves! Maybe its because we aren't trying to support over 400 brigades and we focus on rescue, not everything else as well :wink:. Ours is very similar, except only the motor is on the slide. I like this setup though, its given me ideas. cheers
Title: Re: Vehicle Setup
Post by: TillerMan on February 15, 2008, 08:10:13 AM
The type 2 is good for the rescue, it just needs to be setup at the time of manufacture not afterwards. Probably the biggest trouble is having it as a pumper as well, then you are trying to fit an urban stowage kit and a full rescue kit, if all these brigades had a 34P to back them up then that would take some of the pressure off as far as hose and maybe some other small gear etc.