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General Discussion => Incident Operations => Topic started by: corocfs on July 27, 2005, 01:38:08 AM
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has anyone had any interesting jobs lately?
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haven't had any jobs at all :x
must be 3 weeks since we had a job, and that was only a private alarm!!!!
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Been wierd hasn't it !
Go from nothing, to 3 in a day, more nothing, to bits an pieces............
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Nope Quiet Here As Well.
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Had a fun one today :-D
Won't use any names but we went and helped unbog a vehicle from another agency. All good fun :-o
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just had another private alarm. At least it keeps up the numbers up.
Just got a kitten, first time she has been around when the pager goes- she must have jumped a clear foot off the ground! :-D
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Only 1 private alarm and 2 airconditioner fires at seperate schools
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Firefrog the other agency wasn't wearing green? SAAS has a bit of a habit of trying to put ambulances where they shouldn't go!
As for jobs 2 RCR's, 1 Fence Fire and 3 Private alarm this month
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I can neither confirm or deny :wink:
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What were peoples final call tallys for the financial year?
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Dalkeith = 465
Salisbury = 417
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I think i saw 6 on the call tally for this year. nothing special though.
Last year totaled 96.
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Just got a kitten, first time she has been around when the pager goes- she must have jumped a clear foot off the ground! :-D
haha! Classic :-D
Stirling had 330 last year...
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not sure about our stats for last year.
but 9 for july2005:
1 domestic,1 private alarm,4 fixed alarms,1 vehicle fire, 1 tree down,1 grassy
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Had 8 or so in the last couple of days ! Been a busy one... At 26 so far this financial year.
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Car fires seem to be the flavour of the month at the moment, four since friday. Throw in a couple of fixed alarms and other jobs and its been a busy weekend.
Currently at 24 for the year so far and managed 351 last year.
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We have been very quite till last saturday than had a very nasty MVA where crew was out for abot 12hrs waiting for major crash to come down from up north, Then on Sunday paged to help penola at yet another bad MVA,this was the second MVA that penola had had in less than 24 hrs...
I was unable to attend as I was on a course,but more and more our crews are waiting far to long for major crash to come down srely they can fly rather than drive....
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Getting them there i don't think would be the issue, as they have the Adelaide Bank Police Helicopters, but I think the problem would be all of their equipment.
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I think a number of the Aeromedical Consultant would be up in arms about the Helicopters being used to transport Major Crash to incident. It's not a life saving thing to get investigators there ASAP, which is an unfortunate thing in this situation when you've got volunteers waiting on the road side to extricate these people! I'm sure fixed wing would be a better option though. Don't know if SAPOL still have aircraft in their Police Air Wing, but surely hiring a plane would be more suited in about 75% of the state!
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The issue of Major Crash Investigation is the equipment they brig with them - it's simar to State Hazmat - you need to take it all and then assess what you will use when you get there!
Maybe a 'skeleton' crew could have been left at the scene as happens in other areas of the state (including Adelaide Hills) who are regularly rotated - after all there is no risk to life - the reason they are there is fire cover - just in case. Removal of the deceased can occur after MCI have completed - hence they could be stood down and return later.
This then covers everyones needs and ensures everyone can do their job safetly :-)
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Its easier for people to not crash. :-P :-D
*In a perfect world any way*
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as long as the scene is safe, then surely any CFS appliance and crew has a right to leave... we dont get paid to stay there, police get turned out to every MVA, hand the scene over to the local patrol
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I think the problems lie when the car is removed, or moved etc. E.G - A spark caused while the vehicle is being hauled onto the flat bed tow truck, causing fuel to ignite? Things like that.
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We have had a run of MVA'S and afew fixed alarms and its been very quite which we dont mind come on summer as i think we need a change from our present jobs. I dont mean that offensive but MVA this way are becoming more common...
MY VIEW ONLY
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as long as the scene is safe, then surely any CFS appliance and crew has a right to leave... we dont get paid to stay there, police get turned out to every MVA, hand the scene over to the local patrol
We are unable to commence a rescue (ie: recovery of entrapped persons) in a fatality situation until major crash have done their bit.
So we are hanging around for hours with a lovely task ahead of us at the end of it. In the meanwhile, yes, we are providing fire cover, traffic control and something SAPOL can't provide which is essential - LIGHTING.
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cutting out a body should be done at the local station (sapol or cfs) after major crash have attended... many cut-outs of fatalities are done after the car has been towed to a more private location..
make the scerne safe, leave it with sapol till major crash arrive, then they can call the brigade when they are ready for the cut-out, and you can handpick your crew...
sure you can be providing fire cover... but lighting isnt our problem.. local patrols dont need to look at it, and major crash have there own light sets
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cut a body out of a car back at the station or police station may work for you but not here,why bring a car say 50kms back into town drive down the main street and then cut the poor person out????There has to be respect of the body and also of family members who live in the town it also is not easy to hand over scene to local police as they dont have the man power to deal with a MVA and provide cover for police work at the same time the local hoons would love that. But there has to be a better way that major crash can get to rural jobs faster why could they not have a couple of trainned people in country areas rather tha in the city????
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I really dont think that the car should be moved with a fatality in it, if you know you have to wait arounf for hours then get released from the scene then get SAPOL to call you back when Major Crash have finished, and do it on the scene. I just think that it is better than making a tow truck driver have to see things that he may not want to see.
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I agree. Don't think it would be good at all to move the car with a body.
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Cut out at a different location???????
Maybe our country RCR crews could comment - I for one have never heard of that happening. Just imaging this scenario "Excuse me Mr Towtruck driver, can you just take this car with the deceased in it back through town to our depot" - I think not. Just imaging a car with a deceased person, covered of course with tarps, being driven down North Terrace - not likely to happen
Why create more trauma, it's completely unnecessary, do the job where it happened, when the time is right and everyone else has completed their tasks.
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I agree.... do it on site. Particularly in country areas where family are more than likely to end up at the scene. If there is a wait involved, we have always found that a drop to skeleton crew and if required, call a few select people back to scene later to do the job.
I do recall hearing of cars being transported for later extraction, but cant remember when or where... But certainly not in our area.
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Cut out at a different location?
I have heard of this in country and city area, but that was 10+ years ago (not many times). I think the only reason was they were really stuck in the car or burnt
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I must apolagise, I stand corrected, a car was returned to a town in the murraylands area a year or two ago to allow an SES crew to do the final extrication.
From memory this was an extreme situation and there were other factors involved ... not just the extrication.
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Don;t know whats happening on K.I at the moment, but there is alot of activity on the scanner. Heard something of a HAzmat.. ?
Just heard something about a Chopper, and picking up crews..
Any one know what is happening?
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A couple of the of the boys from burnside have been sent to KI to assist. I think they caught a ride on rescue 51
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I find the concept of moving a vehicle with the deceased inside appalling. Was suggested to us once to right an upside down vehicle with entrapped deceases and wouldn't even do that!
On a brighter note - I am SOO jealous if CFS personnel did catch a lift with the chopper :-)
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I think trauma whys it may be less trauma in certain environment to remove the car from a scene to another location for victim removal. I've heard of it on a number of occasions in the far north (strezlecki track) where ESO from Moomba have place a totalled car on a tray back truck and driven it to an air conditioned aircraft hanger to carry out extrication as outside temp was 40+.
I've done a couple of victim removal mid winter on dirt roads in poor lighting where I'd perferred to do the job back at the station or in council shedding. This then negates some of the OHSW risk that we experience. (poor lighting and poor footing for starters). I however must say that in good light and in a stable environment that extrication at the scene should be the initial plan
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I think this is a each to there own case and with the number of MVA in our region I for one am happy that we do all the work at scene as it does not take long for the word to get around on what we are doing...Sure there are times that it would be nice but in many rural towns it would not work it may make the situation worse when you move the car and a body part comes a drift more paperwork for the police...
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in my original post about relocating cars to do extrications of fatalities, i dont mean to have portrayed thisas a common practice, just that i know it has been and can be done.
im purely saying this could/should be done, instead of wAsting the time of many volunteers who end up standing cooling there heels for hours waiting for major crash,
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Kalangadoo 34 was paged to a interesting and very unusal RCR early-mid last year, our initial pager message said it was an RCR on the Kalangadoo-Glencoe road turn off no entrapments
Not brag or anything but the person who reported this accident to 000 also called his mother who is my parents family friend she called our home phone and told my dad about this accident
After getting dressed I was halfway out to the incident in my car when the pager sounded resulting in me doing a quick U-Turn to respond but despite being halfway out of town on receipt of this pager message i some how was the first person down at Kalangadoo base
On arrival to the incident we seen a semi trailer truck which was carrying crates of apples rested on it's side in a paddock with apples scattered out among broken crates... of course the upside to this was that i got a free breakfast of fresh unbruised apples
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Apples, hey?
We have a pretty high rate of semi rollovers with my Brigade covering sections of the Dukes, Mallee and Princes Hwys.
Normally refer to them by the loads they were carrying - just quickly I can think of the dog food job, aluminium cans (empty) job, car carrier, pigs (dead on hooks), hay bales, empty glass bottles, dirty magazines (!), heat beads, coffee, BBQ's, TOMATOS (squish), water tanks, cattle .....
Just an example of the loads awaiting us scattered all over the road :-)
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Remember my first ever call being an offal truck Vs car. The SAPOL bloke decided to taste the liquid dripping from the back of the refrigerated trailer..... "looks like water, feels like water, smells like water..... gee it even tastes like water!" *against our best wishes of course*
He turned kind of green when we opened the back.... followed by a rather hastie trip to the bushes :) Still chuckle about it today....
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I remember an offal truck rollover I went to a few years back. It was right on the SAMFS SACFS boundary but on CFS side of the road. Two of us donned the old PVC splash suit trousers, BA armed ourselves with a shovel and assisted a front end loader to clean up the mess - NASTY!!
It was a great laugh for all the onlookers, watching us avoid falling over in it. :-o
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it was a pretty intresting job as every man and his dog rocked up shortly after Kalangadoo 34 with myself and my mum as the OIC's until one of the Wattle Range Deputies arrived on scene
When i mean by every man & his dog we had Glencoe 34,SAAS,SAPOL,SAPOL highway patrol,SASES from Mount Gambier and local landowners from around Kalangadoo
We had a big obstacle while responding to this truck rollover as the fog was so thick you could use a knife to cut it, of course this was my first or second time as 2nd OIC of Kalangadoo 34
But unfortunatley our brigade very rarely gets called to RCR's as first response only when fire cover is required for an RCR crew who is doing extraction